Crimson G Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 After having seen the movie for a second time, I think it was missing something. Also, it suffered from ROTK ending syndrome (although not to the extent of ROTK). The scenes between MJ & Peter seemed to try and "infer" dialogue between MJ & Peter instead of explicitly saying things, so the message often got lost in translation. What was up with that one line (from MJ)? You know the one I'm talking about. Kirsten Dunst is: 1) not attractive -and- 2) not a good actress Personally, I would have her character killed off eventually. Of course, I also would have introduced Venom & Carnage in the first movie, but I'm weird like that. The first half of the movie was the best part. It was like Peter couldn't do anything right and Tobey did a real good job of protraying that. The second half of the movie, where Spiderman "saves the day" was too cobbled together for my liking. Standouts of the film (as far as acting goes) are: Alfred Molina (as Dr. Octopus) J.K. Simmons (as J. Jonah Jameson) Tobey Maguire (as Peter Parker/Spiderman) James Franco (as Harry Osborn) In that order. Everyone else was awful. Especially the corny lines delivered by Aunt May (Rosemary Harris).
Ravenbomb Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Personally, I would have her character killed off eventually. Of course, I also would have introduced Venom & Carnage in the first movie, but I'm weird like that. Have Venom or Carnage kill MJ?
LaParkaMarka Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Personally, I would have her character killed off eventually. Of course, I also would have introduced Venom & Carnage in the first movie, but I'm weird like that. Have Venom or Carnage kill MJ? I personally would have Spiderman save her at the last second from some abduction/explosion. Then as he swings off into nowhere before it fades to black, he accidently drops her into traffic.
Ravenbomb Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 I dunno, having on of the Symbiotes (sp?) kill her would give them more villain cred
Guest The Last Free Voice Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 I loved the movie. Loads better than the first. And as far as killing MJ goes, I don't think that will happen unless it happens in the comic book first. And was that blonde chick who lived next to Peter's apartment Gwen Stacy?
DrVenkman PhD Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 I was thinking maybe for Spider-Man 3, Peter would fight Harry (Goblin) and do poorly, until he found the symbiote suit. Stuff would happen, he'd lose the suit, and then the final scene of the movie would be Eddie Brock finding it. I suppose they could even have MJ have a rock from the moon that former fiance John Jameson gave her that the symbiote was hiding in.
Hank Kingsley Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Oh, another thing I liked was the little nod to "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" with the "Raindrops keep fallin' on my head" segment. That was neat.
Guest SpiderFan Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 And was that blonde chick who lived next to Peter's apartment Gwen Stacy? No, that was the landlords daughter. Her name was Ursula Ditkovich.
Guest The Last Free Voice Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Oh, i just remembered reading something about either Gwen Stacy or Felica Hardy "bugging someone in 2 to set up a big part in 3". I think it was in Wizard...
pochorenella Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Saw it on friday, absolutely loved it. Sam Raimi really gets what Peter Parker/Spider-Man is all about. Much, much better CGI that the first one (although $200 million budget? God...) and all the characters were portrayed really great, specially Tobey Mcguire as Peter, and the guy who plays JJ Jameson, HILARIOUS!! Will definitely see it again on tuesday or wednesday, and surely a couple more times after that. Don't understand why people complain about the organic webbing and then have the gall to say Superman II is the best comic-book movie ever. Hello? They kept changing all the guys powers!! They turned invisible, could shoot beams from their fingers, etc. SM2 is the better movie IMO. As far as trailers, all I saw were Catwoman, Anaconda 2, and the animated Xmas movie with Tom Hanks.
cabbageboy Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Ok I saw the movie and I don't think I was as wowed by it as a lot of people. I think almost too much attention was payed to Peter Parker's love life and his problems, and thus the movie lacked action. I seem to be the only one who liked the Green Goblin more than Doc Ock in this one. Norman Osborn was just a more psychotic character to me, and was treated as a main character at least. Ock is sorta an afterthought here, his whole fusion experiment and Spidey stopping it should be the main plotline with the MJ and Harry stuff thrown in for good measure. Instead it's the exact opposite. It's like a comic movie written by a chick. I'd have to say X2 is better as far as the Marvel sequels go. It also develops things a bit more, but make no mistake the main plot is still Stryker trying to kill every mutant on the planet and the X Men stopping him.
Angle-plex Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Caught the movie yesterday. The parts with Peter Parker with great and I thought the acting was much better than the first (the guy who played Doc Ock wasn't great though). The parts with Spidey and Doc Ock were boring as shit to me, and some of the sequences were just plain stupid. The elevator thing was gold but it when on too long. Bruce Campbell owns.
Downhome Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 I can't believe that you were right about it making $150 over the five days. Wow.
BlackFlagg Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll...qtw=480&qth=300 heh, check this out
slabinskia Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 According to boxofficemojo.com,6 day estimates for spiderman 2 are $180 million.that is pretty impressive imo.
The Metal Maniac Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 IMDB sez: $116 million over the weekend, and $180 million all told. Jesus. I enjoyed it, and will probably see it again.
Guest SpiderFan Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Box Office Mojo has it as the all time leader for 5 day opening grosses at $152,556,000 (passing Matrix Reloaded by $8 million) all time 4th of July weekend gross at $88,300,000 (beating Men in Black II by $36 million) all time July opening at $88,300,000 (passing Austin Powers in Goldmember by $15 million) and it has a chance to surpass the first Spider-man for all time comic book movie gross. I know I'll be seeing it again, probably at least two more times. Same with all my friends.
2GOLD Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Awesome that it made that much money, but I didn't enjoy it one bit. Too much of a recap of stuff I already knew from part 1 and seeing the constant whining of Peter Parker got annoying. It wasn't horrible but it wasn't that good. Molina seemed like he wanted to ham it up as the movie went and Ock was more filler than anything for the whole film. Granted, part 3 looks like it could be awesome although those ending sequences were WELL out of place. I won't be seeing it again, it just didn't feel like it was as good as it had the potential to be. Horrible waste of a solid villian as well.
pochorenella Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Spider-Man 2 will make on Monday ($20 million) almost as much as what Fahrenheit 9/11 will from friday to monday ($21 million). Amazing.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Both Otto Octavius and Norman Osbourne are guilty of the same crime in literary terms: a desire to be GOD. The symbols are all there: Octavius' power source is a miniature sun, Osbourne's comment on improving on human potential, and for their arrogance they are turned into demonic totems: a many-armed beast, and a pointy-eared, sharp-toothed goblin. In their desire to be Gods, Otto and Norman are turned into Devils.
justsoyouknow Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Jesus, Zsasz, that's some deep shit. I went and saw the movie opening night, and was completely blown away. Ashy Larry's cameo was also awesome.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Jesus, Zsasz, that's some deep shit. I went and saw the movie opening night, and was completely blown away. Ashy Larry's cameo was also awesome. It makes them eerily similar to characters like Victor Frankenstein and Henry Jekyll, who THOUGHT their experiments could help Mankind... but gave no thought to whether they had the RIGHT to be doing such a thing.
The Mandarin Posted July 5, 2004 Report Posted July 5, 2004 Didn't notice this until the 2nd time I saw it with a different group of friends, but mother f'n Phil "Green Lantern" Lamar pulls Spider-Man back into the Subway after that whole scene For some reason, when I read this the first time, I thought you were talking about LeVar Burton from Reading Rainbow and Star Trek:TNG. ...then I forgot about it and was completely shocked when Phil showed up on the subway. I'm such a tool. Anyways, great movie. Alfred Molina was okay, but after reading that they also considered CHRISTOPHER WALKEN for the role, I would have gladly had Walken take the role of Doc Oc. It didn't really matter anyways, as Tobey Maguire's excellent acting overshadows all the other characters. What happened to Aunt May anyways? So did she move out of the house or did I forget something already?
Crimson G Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Awesome that it made that much money, but I didn't enjoy it one bit. Too much of a recap of stuff I already knew from part 1 and seeing the constant whining of Peter Parker got annoying. Are you high? The recap lasted the whole of the credits which can't have been more than 4 minutes long. Or are you upset that the same characters are interacting and acknowledging their pasts?
cabbageboy Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Here's the criticism some are getting at here, and I think it is valid. First off, the original movie was about nicely split in terms of the Peter Parker stuff and the Spidey stuff. I expect a lot of origin in the first film, but in the 2nd movie I expect it to be more balls to the walls.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Here's the criticism some are getting at here, and I think it is valid. First off, the original movie was about nicely split in terms of the Peter Parker stuff and the Spidey stuff. I expect a lot of origin in the first film, but in the 2nd movie I expect it to be more balls to the walls. No, when you lose Peter as the emotional grounding of this film, the fight scenes lose their meaning. They become mindless brutality instead of an extension of the character's motives and feelings. What makes you care about Spidey fighting Doc Ock without Peter's turmoil? Because one is good and one is bad? Maybe some on this board are childish enough to accept such one-dimensional crap but I am not.
Angle-plex Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 But the fight scenes didn't have any impact, mainly because Ock wouldn't have given two shits about Spidey if he didn't get the orders from Osbourne. I really didn't get the feeling that Spidey and Ock really hated each other and wanted to beat each other in any of the fight scenes.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 But the fight scenes didn't have any impact, mainly because Ock wouldn't have given two shits about Spidey if he didn't get the orders from Osbourne. I really didn't get the feeling that Spidey and Ock really hated each other and wanted to beat each other in any of the fight scenes. I got the feeling that Spidey wasn't thrilled with his Aunt being kidnapped and almost murdered.
Agent_Bond34 Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Seen this movie last night and loved it. I didn't really have any problems with this movie, at all, and I think it does set up well for Spider-Man 3. They have definitely got to keep J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson, he was hilarious in this movie. Gonna see this again within the next week or so, if possible.
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