Best rogues' galleries

[Steviekick 0]

Thor is another character with a really poor rogues gallery when compared to his powers. He has legitimate god enemies in Loki and the Enchantress, even in Ulik, but after them he gets stuck fighting off B-level Fantastic Four and Avengers villains.

[Crimson G 0]

What the hell are you talking about? Spider-Man's rogue galley has been widely regarded for years as the best. They fit his character so well, they're mostly more powerful than him but he manages to outwit them somehow. They have a richer history with the character. Hell, even Doc Ock almost married Aunt May!

Outside of four characters - Kraven, Venom, Green Goblin, and Doctor Octopus - Spider Man's foes look more suited to tangle with the Ambiguously Gay Duo.

 

Check out the rest of these bad boys:

 

Beetle (guy dressed in bug armor that shoots electricity)

Electro (guy dressed as a green and yellow lightning bolt that shoots electricity)

Shocker (guy dressed as a quilt and shoots "vibro-shock" blasts)

Vulture (old "genius" - har har - who can fly around)

Hydroman (guy who can turn into water)

Sandman (guy who can turn into sand, manipulate his own density)

Scorpion (green guy with a cybernetic tail)

Mysterio (guy who wears a fishbowl and shoots mind-altering gasses)

Prowler (former cleaning guy who shoots sleeping gas pellets)

Rhino (giant indestructible guy dressed as a rhino)

Lizard (giant lizard)

Jackal (C-level villain who was responsible for the most inane 18-part Spidey crossover of all time)

Carnage (idiotic second-rate Venom knockoff who was responsible for the second-most inane 18-part Spidey crossover of all time)

Hammerhead (he has a big head)

Puma (he has super-senses)

Boomerang (he throws a boomerang)

 

How this gaggle of morons compares to Batman's demented carnival of villains is beyond me.

You forgot the ex-Nazi who was made of bees, Swarm. WTF?

 

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/swarm.html

[Renegade 0]

Spidey's classic rouges rarely show up now in current continuity.  Sure Spectacular just had Venom, Green Goblin, Lizard and Doc Ock show up recently but over at Amazing they've only had Doc Ock in the current writer's run, and that was essentially a glorified cameo to service the real bad guy of the arc (I'm not counting the Ultimate Universe)

 

Therefore to most causal fans it seems that with the exception of Venom, there hasn't been too many legendary villians created since Lee ended his run and that they haven't shown up since that time frame either

 

Steve

I thought Morlun was pretty good in the whole mystical spiderman arc, even though his weakness was somewhat lame. The issue where Morlun wipes the entire city with him is a very good read.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Oh and you forgot Hobgoblin, Kingpin, Black Cat, THE ROSE, KRAVEN THE HUNTER, The Chamleon, and a few other good ones.

 

Even though he made his debut under a Spider-Man title, I've always considered Kingpin to be more of member of the small Daredevil Rogues Gallery, than Spidey's. And MiB mentioned Kraven as one of the few good Spidey villains.

 

Chalk me up for Batman's Rogues Gallery. It's not just that they're deeper character-wise or that they're basically all tragic figures; it's that for the most part, their individual stories are unique. I was a fan of Spidey's Rogues Gallery, but thought that too many of the top villains shared a similar story on how they came to be.

 

And Dama, you may have some of the worst reasoning skills I've ever seen around here. To each their own, but your reasoning rarely seems to go much further than "I like it."

[Damaramu 0]

And Dama, you may have some of the worst reasoning skills I've ever seen around here. To each their own, but your reasoning rarely seems to go much further than "I like it."

Why do you need any more reasoning than "I like it"? If I like something......then I like it. I'm not debating with anyone on here. I'm not writing a paper about something. I'm not writing an article in a magazine or newspaper.

If I was doing those then I'd reason and give reasons.

But why should I have to give more than "I think it's cool therefore I like it."? I don't understand.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Because if you actually think people should share your opinion, just saying that you like it isn't going to change a god damn thing. You need to give some reasons. You may just say that you're saying what you like and not trying to change anyone's mind, but I can see this becoming like the Spider-Man thread, where you just say the same thing over and over, never really listening or taking in what anyone else says.

[Damaramu 0]

Well I like the Spider Man villains. You want reasons?

 

-I grew up reading Spider Man so that rogue's gallery has always been paticuarly close to me

 

-There's something about the garish costumes and the fact that most of them are just hoods rather than people trying to take over the world that draws me. I like the "street level" feel that Spider Man has. Where he's more trying to stop a bank robbery than stop someone from blowing up the planet.

 

-The Green Goblin and Hobgoblin. I just love there background and there motivations(the original hobby that is). Whenever I run my roleplaying games I try to fashion some of my villains after these two. Oh and I just love those costumes.

 

That's why I like Spider Man's rogue gallery.

[Steviekick 0]

I also like that no matter how bad his villains are, there is always something worse causing problems in his personal life.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

What the hell are you talking about? Spider-Man's rogue galley has been widely regarded for years as the best. They fit his character so well, they're mostly more powerful than him but he manages to outwit them somehow. They have a richer history with the character. Hell, even Doc Ock almost married Aunt May!

Outside of four characters - Kraven, Venom, Green Goblin, and Doctor Octopus - Spider Man's foes look more suited to tangle with the Ambiguously Gay Duo.

 

Check out the rest of these bad boys:

 

Beetle (guy dressed in bug armor that shoots electricity)

Electro (guy dressed as a green and yellow lightning bolt that shoots electricity)

Shocker (guy dressed as a quilt and shoots "vibro-shock" blasts)

Vulture (old "genius" - har har - who can fly around)

Hydroman (guy who can turn into water)

Sandman (guy who can turn into sand, manipulate his own density)

Scorpion (green guy with a cybernetic tail)

Mysterio (guy who wears a fishbowl and shoots mind-altering gasses)

Prowler (former cleaning guy who shoots sleeping gas pellets)

Rhino (giant indestructible guy dressed as a rhino)

Lizard (giant lizard)

Jackal (C-level villain who was responsible for the most inane 18-part Spidey crossover of all time)

Carnage (idiotic second-rate Venom knockoff who was responsible for the second-most inane 18-part Spidey crossover of all time)

Hammerhead (he has a big head)

Puma (he has super-senses)

Boomerang (he throws a boomerang)

 

How this gaggle of morons compares to Batman's demented carnival of villains is beyond me.

I could do the exact same thing you just did with the Batman Rogues Gallery.

 

Joker (Insane. Looks like a clown.)

Riddler (Slightly insane, obsessed with riddles. Wears a green suit with question marks everywhere.)

Two-Face (Insane. Flips a coin.)

Scarecrow (Dressed like a scarecrow.)

Etc etc.

 

But that wouldn't make it a proper criticism.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

What the hell are you talking about? Spider-Man's rogue galley has been widely regarded for years as the best. They fit his character so well, they're mostly more powerful than him but he manages to outwit them somehow. They have a richer history with the character. Hell, even Doc Ock almost married Aunt May!

Outside of four characters - Kraven, Venom, Green Goblin, and Doctor Octopus - Spider Man's foes look more suited to tangle with the Ambiguously Gay Duo.

 

Check out the rest of these bad boys:

 

Beetle (guy dressed in bug armor that shoots electricity)

Electro (guy dressed as a green and yellow lightning bolt that shoots electricity)

Shocker (guy dressed as a quilt and shoots "vibro-shock" blasts)

Vulture (old "genius" - har har - who can fly around)

Hydroman (guy who can turn into water)

Sandman (guy who can turn into sand, manipulate his own density)

Scorpion (green guy with a cybernetic tail)

Mysterio (guy who wears a fishbowl and shoots mind-altering gasses)

Prowler (former cleaning guy who shoots sleeping gas pellets)

Rhino (giant indestructible guy dressed as a rhino)

Lizard (giant lizard)

Jackal (C-level villain who was responsible for the most inane 18-part Spidey crossover of all time)

Carnage (idiotic second-rate Venom knockoff who was responsible for the second-most inane 18-part Spidey crossover of all time)

Hammerhead (he has a big head)

Puma (he has super-senses)

Boomerang (he throws a boomerang)

 

How this gaggle of morons compares to Batman's demented carnival of villains is beyond me.

I could do the exact same thing you just did with the Batman Rogues Gallery.

 

Joker (Insane. Looks like a clown.)

Riddler (Slightly insane, obsessed with riddles. Wears a green suit with question marks everywhere.)

Two-Face (Insane. Flips a coin.)

Scarecrow (Dressed like a scarecrow.)

Etc etc.

 

But that wouldn't make it a proper criticism.

But in Batman's case you'd be missing the best part: their motivations.

 

Very few Spider-Man villians want anything more than money.

[Steviekick 0]

I do have to say that your criticism is more entertaining.

[Steviekick 0]

But in Batman's case you'd be missing the best part: their motivations.

 

Very few Spider-Man villians want anything more than money.

I think part of that goes more along the lines of the "with great power..." mantra of Spidey. He is just as powerful as them and could be using his abilities to further his own interests.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

But in Batman's case you'd be missing the best part: their motivations.

 

Very few Spider-Man villians want anything more than money.

I think part of that goes more along the lines of the "with great power..." mantra of Spidey. He is just as powerful as them and could be using his abilities to further his own interests.

Doesn't make the villains themselves any more interesting.

 

Plus, you could say that the way the Batman villains have endured great personal tragedy, but allowed it to consume them, rather than Batman who used it to BETTER himself. It's far more interesting, and complex.

[Grenouille 0]

I'll also give the edge to Spidey's rogues gallery. As for their motivations, I'll try to explore it a little more beyond the idea that they're all out for money.

 

Green Goblin/Norman Osborn/Harry Osborn/Bart Hamilton - Basically to makes Spider-Man/Peter Parker's life a living hell. As for Hamilton, he wasn't a serious threat and was probably out for the money. If I recall correctly he wanted to become a high-end crime lord.

 

Hobgoblin - Kingsley seemed to use the guise as a way to escape from his life as a fashion mogul. At one point he tried to become a high power crime lord, but it never came to fruition.

 

Dr. Octopus - He's really become a cliché over the years. Either he wants to conquer the world or get revenge for past dealings with Spidey.

 

Kraven - The seemed to just obsess with hunting the Spider. He finally won and put an hole in head. Mission accomplished.

 

Electro - Yeah, I suppose he could fit the out for money stereotype.

 

Vulture - See Electro.

 

Jackal - Revenge on PP for the death of Gwen Stacy. The clone saga made him crazy, but I won't touch that.

 

Venom - Career derailed due to Spider-Man, sought revenge. Eventually he was watered down by overuse and poor writing.

 

Carnage - Serial killer, who ended up with a symbiote and went on to be a part of a 14 issue snoozefest.

 

Ezekiel - Needed Peter to die in order for him to survive.

 

Demogoblin - Rid the world of sinners so he could gain redemption.

 

Mysterio - Originally he fought Spidey to make a name for himself, but in recent time has been changed into a money villain.

 

Scorpion - Was paid to become the Scorpion and has been a money villain for years, so I'd say he also fits the stereotype.

 

Well, here's a few that I can rattle off the top of my head. Can anyone give a link for a Batman site with in depth profiles for his rogues?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The Joker: After his face was disfigured in a failed robbery on the same day his wife was killed in a meaningless accident with a baby bottle warmer, the man who became The Joker became convinced that everything important to the average person: life, wealth, family, happiness, etc. was one big cosmic joke. He began relentlessly murdering innocents for no reason at all- his trademark being the grotesque smile that he lives with on all of his victims faces. He is pretty much the living imbodiment of chaos, where as Batman's life is totally built on order.

 

Two-Face: Pretty much the deepest rogue in all of comics. two Face was once Harvey Dent: a DA who was beginning to go unstable due to childhood abuse at the hands of his father (whom he both loved and hated) before a mob boss on the witness stand scarred half of his face with acid. The attack left mental scars as well: the law had failed Harvey, he had been attacked in it's house and no one saved him. He became obsessed with chance and the number two, and began to flip a coin before all decisions: if the unscarred side came up he'd do good, if the scarred side came up, he'd do evil. Everything about him is juxtaposed: from his clothing to his double gimmick (a coin that makes him very unpredictable, but an obsession with the number two that made his crimes easy to predict).

 

 

Those two ALONE are depper than all of Spidey's rogues put together.

 

Look at the tragic origins mixed with foreshadowing of their eventual neurosis in the Animated Batman series for villains like Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Mad Hatter, Man-Bat, Poison Ivy, The Ventriloquist and others.

 

None of these guys KNOWS what they're doing is wrong. They don't think of themselves as evil. THAT'S the tragedy, this was forced upon them and they had no idea how to respond. So they BECAME the inbodiment of their psychosis.

 

THAT'S why Spider-Man's rogues are, and always will be a distant second.

[Tawren 0]

Those two ALONE are depper than all of Spidey's rogues put together.

No way in hell is that a correct statement. Norman Osborn alone is about 10 million times deeper than each of them. He is Peter's evil twin, in a way. They both got power, but Peter knew how to deal with it whereas Osborn didn't. Both suffered horrible tragedy (Peter being an orphan, death of Uncle Ben, being a huge outcast - Osborn being abused as a child, his wife dying, his son being an addict) and Osborn couldn't deal with it and he made the wrong choice while Peter made the right one. They both know each others secret identities but both know they can't reveal the truth. Osborn hates Peter because Osborn knows Peter is so close to being the same as him but is just far enough away not to be - Peter won't kill no matter what Osborn shoves at him, while Osborn just does what he wants.

 

That is deep. Joker and Two-Face are fine, but neither one holds a candle to Norman Osborn, or even Harry Osborn or Roderick Kingsley.

[Steviekick 0]

Kraven is pretty freaking deep as well. Born to a former aristocratic family he escaped the USSR to become one of the best big game hunters in the world. Eventually he became so consumed with proving to the world that he was THE greatest that he set his sites on Spider-Man. Read Kraven's Last Hunt...it is amazing. Basically Kraven finally beats Spidey, buries him allive and than takes the identity of Spidey to prove that he was/is better and is able to stop the one villain Spidey couldn't (up to that time) Vermin. Spidey gets out of his tomb and takes out Kraven, and then goes on to capture Vermin all by himself. Kraven couldn't live knowing that Spidey was still better than him and killed himself. Kraven's son Vladimir later on went after Spidey, and died trying (great concept, but poor execution due to happening during the Clone Saga). His other bastard son Aloysha was also obsessed with hunting Spidey, but more so because he felt it would be a way to connect to his father. He succeeded in hunting Spidey as well, but decided to let him go because killing him would be something that his father wanted.

 

Green Goblin is also an amazing villailn, as well.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

None of these guys KNOWS what they're doing is wrong. They don't think of themselves as evil.

 

With some exceptions, of course. The Riddler, for instance, is aware that he's evil (in Knightfall he even refers to himself as being evil).

[Renegade 0]

He is Peter's evil twin, in a way. They both got power, but Peter knew how to deal with it whereas Osborn didn't. Both suffered horrible tragedy (Peter being an orphan, death of Uncle Ben, being a huge outcast - Osborn being abused as a child, his wife dying, his son being an addict) and Osborn couldn't deal with it and he made the wrong choice while Peter made the right one. They both know each others secret identities but both know they can't reveal the truth. Osborn hates Peter because Osborn knows Peter is so close to being the same as him but is just far enough away not to be - Peter won't kill no matter what Osborn shoves at him, while Osborn just does what he wants.

I concur, Norman can never go back to what he was; his legacy will end and he will die alone. His son was too “weak” and his grandson will probably be the same, but in Peter he sees all the right ingredients for a future villain (or green goblin as mentioned in some of the comics). The only thing that Peter lacks is the mind of a killer.

 

Jealousy is also a big factor. Both Norman and Peter have lost people dear to them but they have gone in totally opposite directions. Peter still has a life of his own where Norman now only has his money and the green goblin.

[pochorenella 0]

I'm no Batman expert by any means, so if I'm wrong please correct me. I believe the Joker was EXTREMELY fleshened out very late in his carrer, as when he first appeared he was just a two-bit thief by the name Red Hood, complete with Mandrake-like costume and cape and a vase over his head. He was running away from Bats and jumped onto some chemichals (his mask allowed him to breathe) and swam away. Later when he got home he realized the chemichals scarred his face to that eternal smile and made his skin chalk-white. He went crazy because of it and that was that. No wife, no babies, no child abuse. Now that's the origin story I remember to have read in the seventies, so maybe it was on the Killing Joke that they deepened his origins or when exactly?

 

Same with Two-Face. He was a handsome DA nicknamed Apollo (?!?) or something because he was so handsome, but that courtroom incident with the acid made him go over the edge. He took that double-faced silver coin, which was something like evidence in the case he was pursuing at that time, and then with a knife(?!?) he scarred one side of the coin to make it like him or something. Again, no psychodrama or anything like that. But like I said, that was the seventies (Gee, I'm giving my age away, huh?) so I'm sure his story was tweeked somewhat over time.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

I used to have a Batman comic which, while I'm sure it was probably just a re-telling, told Two-Face's origin in very explicit detail, right down to Two-Face confronting his father with the same two-sided coin that his Dad always used to flip before he beat him, but scratching up one side of the coin with his gun so his Dad would have the chance he never got.

 

What a great comic that was.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

 

Those two ALONE are depper than all of Spidey's rogues put together.

No way in hell is that a correct statement. Norman Osborn alone is about 10 million times deeper than each of them. He is Peter's evil twin, in a way. They both got power, but Peter knew how to deal with it whereas Osborn didn't. Both suffered horrible tragedy (Peter being an orphan, death of Uncle Ben, being a huge outcast - Osborn being abused as a child, his wife dying, his son being an addict) and Osborn couldn't deal with it and he made the wrong choice while Peter made the right one. They both know each others secret identities but both know they can't reveal the truth. Osborn hates Peter because Osborn knows Peter is so close to being the same as him but is just far enough away not to be - Peter won't kill no matter what Osborn shoves at him, while Osborn just does what he wants.

 

That is deep. Joker and Two-Face are fine, but neither one holds a candle to Norman Osborn, or even Harry Osborn or Roderick Kingsley.

Not really, Two-Face is a lot deeper than that. He's probobly the deepest Rogue in all of comics, and what you said there doesn't come close to changing it:

 

- His connections to Bruce mean that each fight between them is deeply personal. Batman/Bruce doesn't just want to punish Two-Face, he wants to save Harvey.

 

- His early psychological problems due to a total lack of a stable household, and his subsequent latching onto the Law as a means to give himself a set of parameters for right and wrong is important. When he begins to lose sight of that, when his cases start making him blur the lines between justice and the Law, he becomes increasingly unstable and dangerous. The acid isn't the TRIGGER for his psychosis... it's simply the climax. It's the complete destruction of everything he thought was right about the Law. It would be like seeing the Pope rape a woman in Church on Easter Sunday. His faith is shattered.

 

- His refusal to face his own fears or to make his own choices. Two-Face will not go gently into that good night... nor will he go raging. He will not go at all. He stays in between; allowing blind luck to run his life for him. As he puts it: "Chance is everything. Whether you're born or not... Whether you live or die... Whether you're bad or good... It's all arbitrary."

 

- The dual gimmicks and how they play off of each other is something I mentioned before, but it bears repeating. The obsession with the number "2" making his actual crimes predictable... but the coin making the actions at the crimes themselves impossible to guess is a masterstroke, and it trumps anything Osborn did as far as working his psychosis into the crimes.

 

- There's also the fact that there is two worlds Batman exists in: the cops and gamgsters detective world, and the supervillain world. Two-Face is a bridge between them. He is not like The Joker, Poison Ivy, or Clock King: there is a frightening plausibility about him that makes him even more terrifying.

 

I read nothing in your profile of Osborn that comes close to the amount of psychological depth that Two-Face has. Osborn's A LOT closer to a character like The Joker; who's nihilistic insanity comes back to haunt the hero again and again, but is really lacking in the motivation department. The Stromm serum drove him insane... but does that make him interesting? He's a dumbed down version of characters like Victor Frankenstein and Henry Jekyll, and quite frankly the message is more than a bit old.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

None of these guys KNOWS what they're doing is wrong. They don't think of themselves as evil.

 

With some exceptions, of course. The Riddler, for instance, is aware that he's evil (in Knightfall he even refers to himself as being evil).

He refers to himself as insane. Not evil.

 

With some rare exceptions at making the chaarcter a bit darker, The Riddler isn't really evil. He doesn't kill, he's just an egotist thief who lives for the game of wits he gets to play with Batman.

[The Man in Blak 0]

Kraven is pretty freaking deep as well. Born to a former aristocratic family he escaped the USSR to become one of the best big game hunters in the world. Eventually he became so consumed with proving to the world that he was THE greatest that he set his sites on Spider-Man. Read Kraven's Last Hunt...it is amazing. Basically Kraven finally beats Spidey, buries him allive and than takes the identity of Spidey to prove that he was/is better and is able to stop the one villain Spidey couldn't (up to that time) Vermin. Spidey gets out of his tomb and takes out Kraven, and then goes on to capture Vermin all by himself. Kraven couldn't live knowing that Spidey was still better than him and killed himself. Kraven's son Vladimir later on went after Spidey, and died trying (great concept, but poor execution due to happening during the Clone Saga). His other bastard son Aloysha was also obsessed with hunting Spidey, but more so because he felt it would be a way to connect to his father. He succeeded in hunting Spidey as well, but decided to let him go because killing him would be something that his father wanted.

No way in hell is that a correct statement. Norman Osborn alone is about 10 million times deeper than each of them. He is Peter's evil twin, in a way. They both got power, but Peter knew how to deal with it whereas Osborn didn't. Both suffered horrible tragedy (Peter being an orphan, death of Uncle Ben, being a huge outcast - Osborn being abused as a child, his wife dying, his son being an addict) and Osborn couldn't deal with it and he made the wrong choice while Peter made the right one. They both know each others secret identities but both know they can't reveal the truth. Osborn hates Peter because Osborn knows Peter is so close to being the same as him but is just far enough away not to be - Peter won't kill no matter what Osborn shoves at him, while Osborn just does what he wants.

 

Uh, yeah. That's pretty much why I said they were two of the four good villains that he ever had in the first place.

 

Of course, out of the four that I mentioned, Kraven's dead and Venom is in Mid 90's Tweener Character Hell (unless he FINALLY made a "heel turn" back to normal), leaving Osborn and Ock. And, personally, I tend to agree 100% with this comment on Ock:

 

He's really become a cliché over the years. Either he wants to conquer the world or get revenge for past dealings with Spidey

 

So, if you really get down to it, it's the Green Goblin and...well, the Green Goblin. And, while he's a great villain, you can't have Spidey fight him four times a month for every month of the year, can you?

 

Get back to me whenever somebody comes along and writes "The Killing Joke"* for Electro.

 

 

 

 

 

 

* Yes, Sass. I'm conceding defeat and realizing that this actually is a pretty decent story.

[Damaramu 0]

Man........I gotta start reading Batman......

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I'm no Batman expert by any means, so if I'm wrong please correct me. I believe the Joker was EXTREMELY fleshened out very late in his carrer, as when he first appeared he was just a two-bit thief by the name Red Hood, complete with Mandrake-like costume and cape and a vase over his head. He was running away from Bats and jumped onto some chemichals (his mask allowed him to breathe) and swam away. Later when he got home he realized the chemichals scarred his face to that eternal smile and made his skin chalk-white. He went crazy because of it and that was that. No wife, no babies, no child abuse. Now that's the origin story I remember to have read in the seventies, so maybe it was on the Killing Joke that they deepened his origins or when exactly?

 

Same with Two-Face. He was a handsome DA nicknamed Apollo (?!?) or something because he was so handsome, but that courtroom incident with the acid made him go over the edge. He took that double-faced silver coin, which was something like evidence in the case he was pursuing at that time, and then with a knife(?!?) he scarred one side of the coin to make it like him or something. Again, no psychodrama or anything like that. But like I said, that was the seventies (Gee, I'm giving my age away, huh?) so I'm sure his story was tweeked somewhat over time.

Read the 1990 Annual for Batman. It has the definitive origin which is the most poetic and tragic origin story ever written for a major super-villian.

 

Oh and The Joker has no definitive origin. Even he can't remember who he was.

[Damaramu 0]

Man I really need to get into Batman.....Zsasz I ORDER you to tell me what Graphic Novels to buy!

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Man I really need to get into Batman.....Zsasz I ORDER you to tell me what Graphic Novels to buy!

Year One

No Man's Land 1-5

Strange Apparitions

Tales of the Demon

The Killing Joke

The Dark Knight Returns

The Long Halloween

Dark Victory

10 Nights of the Beast

[BrokenTiger 0]

^..out of those, I already have Dark Knight Returns and Long Halloween. Highly enjoyable titles. I'm going to get my hands on Killing Joke and Year One pretty soon.

 

Astounding analysis of Two-Face/Harvey Dent there, Mr.Zsasz. Great read.

Just curious...what's your opinion on the Arkham Asylum GN, seeing that is not on your recommended list of Batman books. I have it, btw, and while I somehow enjoyed the art style, the story's...I dunno, just can't really get into it.

[Guest BDC]

Another thing that's struck me is that in the Batman gallery, he rarely deals with folks that are just "not nice". Joker is insanely evil, but the only one I can think of would be Amygdala, the massive guy that had experiments done on him.

 

Clayface is a character that I only know of from the animated series, yet his potential for power was incredible. Similar (slightly) to Two Face in origin, yet far more powerful.