I hate Toronto

[St. Gabe 0]

So, with all the hate for the crowd tonight flowing in the SS thread, I figured let's analyze the situation on its own

 

First, on no other occasion have I ever heard the announcers comment on the absurdity of a crowds behavior. It is always the announcers trying to justify what the crowd is doing. They did that to a point, but the "bizarro-world" comments were right on tonight.

 

Second, When the crowd starts entertaining themselves (the wave) during a title match ie: Taker v JBL, it is an extremely disrespectful act toward the performers who, in all honesty, gave more tonight to put on a good match than either have in a really long time.

 

I am personally upset about the jeering of Eugene, especially with all the work Triple H has put in over the last 6 weeks putting himself over as a real son of a bitch, and even during the match, hiding behind a woman, playing possum, and pretending to apologize. The ending sucked all sorts of shit, but it was a solid, albeit too short match. How do you think the performers felt, going to the back after the crowd shit all over the match with the most "history" on the card, by forcing the combatants to fight through the motions when the crowd switched on them.

 

The World Championship match, though takes the cake. for the 1st ten minutes of the match, whether wwe creates the problem or not, the crowd was focused on the REFEREE. What turned out to be a solid, albeit too short 4 star match, was marred by the fact, that the fans see Earl Hebner and start foaming at the mouth.

 

I hate Toronto, and I will be surprised if they schedule a show there for quite some time...good luck with all that, and Well done, Toronto Wrestling Fans (really?)

 

Discuss........

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

I'm Canadian and I love Canadian crowds but I agree. NEarly ruined the whole damn PPV for me.

[Guest Leon]

I love Toronto and I'm glad they shat all over this shitty PPV. SummerSlam 2004 was a cure for insomnia.

[algrim 0]

They acted like a bunch of jerks most of the night. I was with them when they booed the dodgeball contest, though.

[bob_barron 0]

So, with all the hate for the crowd tonight flowing in the SS thread, I figured let's analyze the situation on its own

 

First, on no other occasion have I ever heard the announcers comment on the absurdity of a crowds behavior. It is always the announcers trying to justify what the crowd is doing. They did that to a point, but the "bizarro-world" comments were right on tonight.

 

They've done it before- I remember in Montreal they were talking about how the crowd was bizzare.

 

Second, When the crowd starts entertaining themselves (the wave) during a title match ie: Taker v JBL, it is an extremely disrespectful act toward the performers who, in all honesty, gave more tonight to put on a good match than either have in a really long time.

 

The fans didn't care about the feud or the match. So should they sit there silently and not have any fun? Or should they try to have some fun anyway since they paid a lot for their ticket? If it's me I'd rather have fun doing something then sit there silently doing nothing.

 

Maybe it'e extremely disrespectful of WWE to book a career midcarder as the WWE champion.

 

I am personally upset about the jeering of Eugene, especially with all the work Triple H has put in over the last 6 weeks putting himself over as a real son of a bitch, and even during the match, hiding behind a woman, playing possum, and pretending to apologize. The ending sucked all sorts of shit, but it was a solid, albeit too short match. How do you think the performers felt, going to the back after the crowd shit all over the match with the most "history" on the card, by forcing the combatants to fight through the motions when the crowd switched on them.

 

Yea- the booing of Eugene was a bit weird. But they also booed Gowan too. Doing Regal v. HHH probably would've gotten a better reaction.

 

The World Championship match, though takes the cake. for the 1st ten minutes of the match, whether wwe creates the problem or not, the crowd was focused on the REFEREE. What turned out to be a solid, albeit too short 4 star match, was marred by the fact, that the fans see Earl Hebner and start foaming at the mouth

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You would think they would learn to not send Hebner out there. How is a **** match solid? Isn't **** excellent or something?

 

I hate Toronto

 

I'm glad wrestling shows dictate your opinion of cities.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

I hope Vince keeps the product out of Toronto for a LONG time. Or gives them house shows and lets all the talent do 15-minute rest holds to get revenge on the stupid fucks in attendance. I agree with this thread.

[Guest GreatOne]

Or even better, Test vs. Mark Henry, ironman match..................

[Guest Staravenger]

$200 says Scott Keith shits all over the crowd in his rant next month since he hates Toronto I think.

 

My hate for the crowd is no longer at level 5, but it still pisses me off I wasted $35 on a good wrestling show with an absolutely horrible crowd.

[Brett Favre 0]

There's a difference between shitting on one match, and just shitting on the whole PPV. Why would they boo Edge? Because they can?

 

They booed the Bradshaw/Taker match for no reason at all. Instead of doing the wave, why not boo the person you feel doesn't deserve to be in this spot (Bradshaw) and cheer the Undertaker who's kicking some ass. But no, lets boo the Taker too, because we're bad asses.

 

Eugene I may understand but really, after all that build up, was it necessary?

 

Then they still focus on Hebner, with the you screwed bret crap, and take away from a match that will determine the future of the freaking company.

 

Do it the right way. Have a great reason to boo. Like the MSG crowd, they actually booed the Goldberg/Brock match because of A) Brock was leaving B) Goldberg was leaving and C) They didn't start fighting till 10 minutes after the match started.

 

Smart crowds are cool, but the ones that try to take it to a whole new level are just annoying.

Edited August 16, 2004 by Cena's Writer

[AndrewTS 0]

I'm with Barron. They paid for their tickets (mostly, anyway), so they have every right to boo whoever or whatever they want. I'm shocked Toronto acted like that, since usually they're very American-ized with their responses.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I dunno how _the crowd_ could be at fault. I don't think anybody pays to see a wrestling show to do the wave. They, however, *do* pay to have a good time. If the WWE wasn't providing it for them, why should they be blamed for doing it themselves? The onus isn't on the crowd, it's on the company. And I *enjoyed* the show and the crowd.

[geniusMoment 0]

They booed Eugene because the character sucks, at least that is how they and I feel. They have every right to boo him.

If Taker/Bradshaw was a good match they would have cheered. Instead it was a slow, methodical WWE style "big guys" match.

The ratings have been tanking, this is just an accurate discreption of how the audience feels about the product.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Hey Canada...

 

BRET screwed BRET.

[Brett Favre 0]

I dunno how _the crowd_ could be at fault. I don't think anybody pays to see a wrestling show to do the wave. They, however, *do* pay to have a good time. If the WWE wasn't providing it for them, why should they be blamed for doing it themselves? The onus isn't on the crowd, it's on the company. And I *enjoyed* the show and the crowd.

Booing a match and booing wrestlers before a match even gets together are two different things. It's not that they weren't entertained, it was like they just wanted to boo for the sake of booing.

[res37618 0]

They booed the Bradshaw/Taker match for no reason at all. Instead of doing the wave, why not boo the person you feel doesn't deserve to be in this spot (Bradshaw) and cheer the Undertaker who's kicking some ass. But no, lets boo the Taker too, because we're bad asses.

I completely agree there. I understand that JBL/Taker wasn't the best choice for a WWE title match, and I also agree that JBL isn't the best WWE champ to come down the pike. But c'mon - can't you find something better to do than the fucking wave? Like them or not, JBL and Taker actually tried to have a good, solid match, and the fans had every intention of shitting on it well before they even got to the arena tonight.

[Guest Dazed]

Booing a match and booing wrestlers before a match even gets together are two different things. It's not that they weren't entertained, it was like they just wanted to boo for the sake of booing.

 

How do you know?

 

Also, remember this isn't the first time they've heard of the wrestlers, or they didn't know what the matches would be when they came in. They've had plenty of time to formulate an opinion on Edge or Eugene or Taker / JBL.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I am personally upset about the jeering of Eugene

I absolutely despise the Eugene character, and it (as well as the Diva search) has sent me into Raw sabattical.

 

I hope this crowd just killed the whole character.

[strummer 0]

They booed Eugene because the character sucks, at least that is how they and I feel. They have every right to boo him.

If Taker/Bradshaw was a good match they would have cheered. Instead it was a slow, methodical WWE style "big guys" match.

The ratings have been tanking, this is just an accurate discreption of how the audience feels about the product.

That is not necessarily true. Rock/Hogan from WM 18 was not a great match, but the crowd cheered big time for it. Same for Hogan/Andre, etc. Good matches don't always have great reactions and bad matches don't always have bad reactions.

[Art Sandusky 0]

There's a difference between shitting on one match, and just shitting on the whole PPV. Why would they boo Edge? Because they can?

Yes. This isn't WCW Saturday Night, there are no signs saying to cheer or boo, not to mention Edge showing some heel bits anyway.

 

They booed the Bradshaw/Taker match for no reason at all. Instead of doing the wave, why not boo the person you feel doesn't deserve to be in this spot (Bradshaw) and cheer the Undertaker who's kicking some ass. But no, lets boo the Taker too, because we're bad asses.

If they booed the match, then it would be confused with actual heat for Bradshaw instead of displeasure with the entire situation.

 

Eugene I may understand but really, after all that build up, was it necessary?

I can't really explain the Eugene booing, maybe the crowd just doesn't see him as someone who should be in semi-main matches. I don't mind him in that position.

 

Then they still focus on Hebner, with the you screwed bret crap, and take away from a match that will determine the future of the freaking company.

Smarmy fans sometimes refuse to forget things. It's fucking retarded.

 

Do it the right way. Have a great reason to boo. Like the MSG crowd, they actually booed the Goldberg/Brock match because of A) Brock was leaving B) Goldberg was leaving and C) They didn't start fighting till 10 minutes after the match started.

The crowd at MSG was chanting "This match sucks," and since both men were gone after the match, it really didn't matter what they did. In Bradshaw's case, boos = heat in the minds of WWE management.

 

Smart crowds are cool, but the ones that try to take it to a whole new level are just annoying.

Agreed, but the wave will rightfully become the new way for a crowd to express displeasure with matches and angles.

[Angle-plex 0]

I'd be mad at the crowd too, but to be honest, I also got bored after watching three hours of people laying down and pretending to try to make their opponent(s) "tap out".

[geniusMoment 0]

They booed the Bradshaw/Taker match for no reason at all. Instead of doing the wave, why not boo the person you feel doesn't deserve to be in this spot (Bradshaw) and cheer the Undertaker who's kicking some ass. But no, lets boo the Taker too, because we're bad asses.

I completely agree there. I understand that JBL/Taker wasn't the best choice for a WWE title match, and I also agree that JBL isn't the best WWE champ to come down the pike. But c'mon - can't you find something better to do than the fucking wave? Like them or not, JBL and Taker actually tried to have a good, solid match, and the fans had every intention of shitting on it well before they even got to the arena tonight.

The fans hated the idea of the feud. They hated the idea of two pieces of garbage wrestling each other on the third biggest ppv of the year, and were letting WWE know it. That is how a crowd that knows wrestling should react.

I do not care if guys work hard to entertain me, I want guys with actual talent to be in the main events.

[Promoter 0]

The wwe main shows get their lowest ratings in MONTHS leading into the second biggest show of the year. The crowd shits on the ppv show. Yep, blame Canada

 

The wwe divas lose in a shoot supposedly to non-athletic bimbos. Eugene is a character that tries to get cheap pops by acting like Hulk Hogan, The Rock, and Steve Austin.

 

I'm not condoning the entire shitting on the ppv, but please there were things that deserved it. Maybe we are a test market with what the masses emotions are towrds the current product. Then again, maybe the crowd was just ass-holes. Either way I don't see the big deal unless this behaviour starts to spread to all the shows which I doubt.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I think a portion of the crowd was booing to boo, no doubt. When I was at WM 18 and the crowd was going nuts for Hogan, some of the guys who I was with weren't Hogan fans but they were still going crazy. When there is that many people around you doing it, you can't help but get caught up. _However_, there is something to be said about a crowd that does not "cling" to wrestlers and are fairweathered. The WWE is FAILING at making strong connections between fan and wrestler - when those connections can be easily broken by something as simple as "the guy beside me is booing", then there is a problem and it is _not_ with the fans. This goes back to the WWE's mentality of "He's a good guy... so cheer him... He's a bad guy... BOO him...". Bad guys do bad things because they're bad. There is no depth to the characters. Why SHOULD the fans cheer Eugene and boo HHH?

[jester 0]

It's not Toronto's fault that WWE can't take a hint.

 

Right or wrong, Canada ain't gonna get over Bret. Ever. So if they don't want the official to have the most heat in the ring, keep him backstage.

 

Remember the Steiner/HHH Fiasco? One of the matches was in Montreal, and they expected HHH to get heat by shoving Hebner? Put fucking two and two together, Vince.

[res37618 0]

They booed the Bradshaw/Taker match for no reason at all. Instead of doing the wave, why not boo the person you feel doesn't deserve to be in this spot (Bradshaw) and cheer the Undertaker who's kicking some ass. But no, lets boo the Taker too, because we're bad asses.

I completely agree there. I understand that JBL/Taker wasn't the best choice for a WWE title match, and I also agree that JBL isn't the best WWE champ to come down the pike. But c'mon - can't you find something better to do than the fucking wave? Like them or not, JBL and Taker actually tried to have a good, solid match, and the fans had every intention of shitting on it well before they even got to the arena tonight.

The fans hated the idea of the feud. They hated the idea of two pieces of garbage wrestling each other on the third biggest ppv of the year, and were letting WWE know it. That is how a crowd that knows wrestling should react.

I do not care if guys work hard to entertain me, I want guys with actual talent to be in the main events.

OK, just for argument's sake . . . let's say that Guerrero/Angle had been the Smackdown M.E. - the crowd pretty much shit all over that match too, and it was a damned lot better than JBL/Taker - WHY all the hatred for Guerrero in Toronto? It seemed like Angle got way more face reaction than Guerrero did. Is it just cooler to root for the heels in Toronto? I'm just perplexed at the whole thing, that's all. The crowd was just absolutely high on crack or something tonight.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Also, what's wrong with trying to turn the crowd into a complete 180 of what the bookers want?

 

I remember 2002's Summerslam, and people bitching because the crowd had the nerve to BOO ROCK. Oh my god how EVIL they were.

 

Shit.

 

I say, if you can turn the building against the bookers' intentions, I salute you. I think people really ought to put more effort into making the show a bomb.

[Guest Staravenger]

I remember 2002's Summerslam, and people bitching because the crowd had the nerve to BOO ROCK. Oh my god how EVIL they were.

Comparing 1 20:00 Match to 2 Hours is a little lop sided.

[geniusMoment 0]

Eddie is a white toast babyface and pales in comparison to his better heel character. WWE needs to learn to stop taking away a babyfaces edge, they are booking Eddie to be a complete pussy. Stop it, make him badass again.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I remember 2002's Summerslam, and people bitching because the crowd had the nerve to BOO ROCK. Oh my god how EVIL they were.

Comparing 1 20:00 Match to 2 Hours is a little lop sided.

Doesn't matter. I can't believe I'm hearing people HERE complain about it.

 

This is good. This is a sign that people aren't happy. Things won't change until crowds start completely shitting on entire shows from start to finish and stop showing up at future ones.

[Guest smelly]

Listen I was at the summerslam and say what you will about toronto hears the truth:

 

1)The Eugene Character sucks ass and just because he is a face doesn't mean I have to cheer for this shit head becuase every other american city loves this retard.

 

2)The JBL Taker match was shit and as said before why boo JBL when it seems like we are giving him heat. The wave was an insult to the wrestlers and maybe then wwe will get the hint to that JBL is not a champ.

 

3)Brett will always be brought up for ever get used to it.

 

4)As for the Angle match Im sorry but I like Angle better then Eddie, so thats who i cheered for. Im not going to cheer for a face just becuase he is a face, or vica versa. Its the character.