I hate Toronto

[Guest Staravenger]

Listen I was at the summerslam and say what you will about toronto hears the truth:

 

1)The Eugene Character sucks ass and just because he is a face doesn't mean I have to cheer for this shit head becuase every other american city loves this retard.

You have a problem with America and who we cheer for?

[UZI Suicide 0]

I have no problem with the crowd booing and cheering who they like, but when they boo all the faces and cheer the heels, and generally shit all over the matches just for the sake of looking cool or "hip", which is what it seemed like to me, it pisses me off.

 

So what if they don't like JBL, give the guy a fucking chance. They shit on that match from the get-go and it turned out to be a damn good match but the crowd never realized it because they were too busy jerking each other off.

 

And about JBL.. why all the hate? He's done a complete turnaround in his gimmick and IMO, is entertaining now. Even if you don't think he's worthy of being a champion, he at least deserves a shot to try to PROVE to you that he is worthy.

 

As someone mentioned in the SS thread, the crowd was pretty much copying the cheers other members of the crowd did. Eugene was mostly over when he first came out and then as it went on more and more of the crowd begin booing until everyone did. Same thing with the Benoit-Orton match, as the match went on more people cheered Orton so now the whole crowd was into him by the end.

[The Mandarin 0]

Already tried to post this once, board was down.

 

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That was a good time.

 

I for one, enjoyed the wave. The pop it recieved once it finished was incredible. Kudos to the far left part of the arena (near the tron), the creators.

 

"Spanish table" was a little much, I didn't take part in that, but I joined in on "Let's go, Angle" and "Edge sucks". Sad about Eddie getting booed at points, though.

 

Main event was awesome, but "You screwed Bret" is so tired. Thank goodness that stopped early, as the finish to the match was incredible. Orton's win blew my eardrums out. The handshake after was a nice touch.

 

I'm assuming you guys didn't see this, but some crazy shirtless guy jumped on top of the limo right after the DQ to a HUGE pop. He went running around for longer than you'd expect, and eventually got tackled by security. I laugh at his stupidity.

 

Worth the money because I had great seats, and because I loved the main event (and the Undertaker/JBL match was hilarious) and everything else was alright.

 

Good show.

[Golgo 13 0]

I think all the complaining about the crowd is completely misplaced, and when you have people saying Toronto didn't deserve the show, is bad for business, etc, you're utterly wrong.

 

If they were bad for business, they wouldn't have filled up the arena. Simply put, they paid their money, and they have a right to react to the show, matches or wrestlers how they want, minus causing physical harm.

 

So the fans didn't react to JBL v. Taker. Taker has rarely been on the shows leading up to the PPV, while his return to the Phenom as a whole has been a flop, with again, very rare appearances. Meanwhile JBL will forever be seen as midcard and not worthy of carrying the brand's top title in some eyes. How is anyone supposed to take him seriously and get into the match as a result? The build to the match sucked, sucked, sucked.

 

So they booed Eugene. He has a completely retarded (pardon the pun) and cheap character, simple as that. You may not agree, but again, just as they have the right to boo Eugene, you have the right to cheer him.

 

So they didn't cheer Eddie. Again, tough shit. They simply liked Kurt MORE.

 

So they didn't cheer Edge. While it was a surprising reaction to me, Edge's return can arguably be called a flop. Edge now is completely bland.

 

Anyway, if you were given the heels going over to start the show (with the exception of RVD/Dupree), a bad soap opera feud, Diva Dodgeball, and Taker/Bradshaw, wouldn't you have a sour taste in your mouth?

 

Altogether, the build to SS was the shits, with the exception of Eugene/Triple H.

 

Finally, directed to those who regretted buying the PPV based on the crowd "bringing you down" or some bullshit like that. While the atmosphere adds to a match, it doesn't necessarily detract from it if the wrestling, in your opinion, is good. Don't let a bad reaction shake you from liking or disliking a match.

[bob_barron 0]

I have no problem with the crowd booing and cheering who they like, but when they boo all the faces and cheer the heels, and generally shit all over the matches just for the sake of looking cool or "hip", which is what it seemed like to me, it pisses me off.

 

They went to WWE Summerslam to have fun- and since they didn't feel like they were getting it- they decided to have fun themselves.

 

So what if they don't like JBL, give the guy a fucking chance. They shit on that match from the get-go and it turned out to be a damn good match but the crowd never realized it because they were too busy jerking each other off.

 

Because they didn't want to see the match to begin with. And the start of the match gave them nothing to cheer for. They obviously didn't like the idea of the match and exercised their opinion to not give a shit.

 

As someone mentioned in the SS thread, the crowd was pretty much copying the cheers other members of the crowd did. Eugene was mostly over when he first came out and then as it went on more and more of the crowd begin booing until everyone did. Same thing with the Benoit-Orton match, as the match went on more people cheered Orton so now the whole crowd was into him by the end.

 

Because it's fun to go along with other people and chant and have fun.

 

If WWE gave them a better product and a better title match- maybe they'd cheer for something.

[UZI Suicide 0]

So the fans didn't react to JBL v. Taker. Taker has rarely been on the shows leading up to the PPV, while his return to the Phenom as a whole has been a flop, with again, very rare appearances. Meanwhile JBL will forever be seen as midcard and not worthy of carrying the brand's top title in some eyes. How is anyone supposed to take him seriously and get into the match as a result? The build to the match sucked, sucked, sucked.

 

The problem is they have that attitude without giving themselves a chance to get into the JBL character. If people had that same attitude in 1996 then Steve Austin would have been a lifelong WWE midcarder.

[Downhome 0]

Toronto reminded me just how much I miss the pro wrestling scene and fans of years ago.

[res37618 0]

So they didn't cheer Edge. While it was a surprising reaction to me, Edge's return can arguably be called a flop. Edge now is completely bland.

Edge WAS completely bland - WWE is crazy if they don't build off of the heat that Edge had tonight . . . that was ONE of the few moments tonight that I thought the crowd was right on the money. Edge has been pretty much worthless since he returned - not that his wrestling has been bad, but the character in general is just the shits. Now is the time to morph Edge into some sort of smart-ass heel - something I think would be much easier for him to get into portraying.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Listen I was at the summerslam and say what you will about toronto hears the truth:

(...)

2)The JBL Taker match was shit and as said before why boo JBL

(...)

3)Brett

Posts: 1

 

So much for that whole "superior Canadian school system" bullshit, eh?

[Slayer 0]

I'm confused

 

For the longest time it seemed like all I would read is "The WWE should listen to its fans!" when particular matches/wrestlers were given no heat, Xpac heat or opposite-of-what-the-WWE-wants heat

 

Tonight though, I see people saying "This crowd was disrespectful of what the WWE was trying to show!" and chiding the crowd for cheering how it wanted to rather than how the WWE would have wanted them to

 

So which is it?

[res37618 0]

Listen I was at the summerslam and say what you will about toronto hears the truth:

(...)

2)The JBL Taker match was shit and as said before why boo JBL

(...)

3)Brett

Posts: 1

 

So much for that whole "superior Canadian school system" bullshit, eh?

ROTFL, I'm about to piss my pants from laughing so hard . . . .

 

[UZI Suicide 0]

I think Edge has reached the point where turning him heel won't matter now. People just don't like him, period. He's got X-Pac syndrome, IMO. Even when he first came back from injury the pop was relatively quiet and he's never really gotten any sort of big pops since he returned. A successful heel turn, IMO, needs the guy to be successful as a face before turning, and right now if Edge is hated as a face why are fans going to be into him when he actually IS a heel?

[Golgo 13 0]

The problem is they have that attitude without giving themselves a chance to get into the JBL character. If people had that same attitude in 1996 then Steve Austin would have been a lifelong WWE midcarder.

 

And how long was it from the debut of Stone Cold until him winning the belt? Maybe WWE should've given this lifelong midcarder and his new character a chance to get over, maybe more than a fucking month, before handing him the brand's top belt. Furthermore, it's not as if his character has displayed any capacity for deserving the belt since his reign has been built on lucky breaks, run-ins and shitty comedy segments. The first two are deserving of a heel, I know, but it's not as if he has the appearance of a "real" champion regardless.

 

If people don't care about the feud, the build, and the wrestlers, how can they be expected to care for the ultimate confrontation.

[treble 0]

Whoever sent Hebner out to ref the Orton/Benoit match is to blame for the 'You Screwed Bret' chants. They know that the Canadian fans will chant it because it's fun to do (trust me, 99% of the people chanting it don't care about the Montreal incident anymore), and they still trotted him out there.

 

And Hebner doesn't exactly shy away from it when the cameras aren't on him. I was at a Raw in Toronto last year and, of course, people broke out the chant when he came out. Instead of ignoring it, he took a sign from the crowd that said 'Bret Screwed Bret' and starting waving it along with the chants. It wouldn't surprise me if he was playing it up with the crowd while they were showing the video package.

[bob_barron 0]

Agreed- People enjoy ragging on Hebner, he enjoys playing it up.

 

That's why people play it up. We're over it. WWE is the ones who aren't.

[Guest GreatOne]

Listen I was at the summerslam and say what you will about toronto hears the truth:

(...)

2)The JBL Taker match was shit and as said before why boo JBL

(...)

3)Brett

Posts: 1

 

So much for that whole "superior Canadian school system" bullshit, eh?

ROTFL, I'm about to piss my pants from laughing so hard . . . .

 

Don't be too hard on him it's his first po.............

 

FUCK THAT! This guy's been here for two weeks before me and I'm up on him 327-1?

 

But really, he was at THE SUMMERSLAM!~ you know..............

[Promoter 0]

Hmmm....I think I have fell into the head office of wwe. I now know how the wwe responds to us internet smarks on the net.

 

This place is bizarro world tonight too

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I have no problem with the crowd booing and cheering who they like, but when they boo all the faces and cheer the heels, and generally shit all over the matches just for the sake of looking cool or "hip", which is what it seemed like to me, it pisses me off.

I actually enjoy this, but then again, I also encourage the crowd to do just this at every show I can go to.

 

Then again, I find great enjoyment and humor from watching WWE fail. Your mileage may vary.

[Red Baron 0]

Hey, people buy these tickets far in advance, and realizing how shitty the product got towards the PPV, the fans had the right to do what ever they wanted.

 

If anything maybe the WWE realizes that we must be doing something wrong.

 

Or you know, since we are Canadian, we don't know nothing.

[bob_barron 0]

The problem is they have that attitude without giving themselves a chance to get into the JBL character. If people had that same attitude in 1996 then Steve Austin would have been a lifelong WWE midcarder.

There's a BIG difference in 1996 Austin and John Bradshaw Layfield

[Downhome 0]

So which is it?

I look at it in the sense that for most of the night the fans looked to just be doing what they were doing it, just for the hell of it without any good reason. I can understand them crapping on the diva shit, and even other few things, but the entire show basicly?

 

They made it sound like it was the worst show ever in wrestling, and it wasn't. As if they thought it was cool to do this and that, boo for this guy, etc... It didn't seem to me like they were trying to make some huge statement to Vince or anything.

 

Besides, shitting on an entire show wont do anything to Vince. They paid their money for tickets, the next town WWE goes in will be back to "normal", so I doubt

Vince cares too much for the long term. And yes I know these people didn't buy their tickets knowing the entire card, but when the tickets went on sale WWE was pretty much in the same little grove.

 

Stop buying tickets if you want to make a statement, stop buying WWE products, and that's what'll get you heard...not acting like a bunch of smart asses in the crowd.

 

Besides, when you have these wrestlers in the ring working hard, and it looked to me like pretty much everyone was busting ass tonight, and then you as a fan shit all over it without giving anything a chance, it IS disrespectfull. Shitting on these guys working hard isn't hurting Vince, he's had his pay day. It's just being disrespectful to the workers, while they are working.

 

Again, tonights show was not a bad show, I've seen plenty of worse shows in my life. Hell, I've seen worse shows this YEAR.

[UZI Suicide 0]

The problem is they have that attitude without giving themselves a chance to get into the JBL character. If people had that same attitude in 1996 then Steve Austin would have been a lifelong WWE midcarder.

There's a BIG difference in 1996 Austin and John Bradshaw Layfield

I'm just using the comparison because Austin was a midcarder/tag team wrestler in WCW and then when he got to the WWE was basically a lower midcarder as The Ringmaster, but people gave him a chance.

[Guest GreatOne]

Whoever sent Hebner out to ref the Orton/Benoit match is to blame for the 'You Screwed Bret' chants. They know that the Canadian fans will chant it because it's fun to do (trust me, 99% of the people chanting it don't care about the Montreal incident anymore), and they still trotted him out there.

 

And Hebner doesn't exactly shy away from it when the cameras aren't on him. I was at a Raw in Toronto last year and, of course, people broke out the chant when he came out. Instead of ignoring it, he took a sign from the crowd that said 'Bret Screwed Bret' and starting waving it along with the chants. It wouldn't surprise me if he was playing it up with the crowd while they were showing the video package.

Exactly, because he's reacting to a sign. I doubt he's going around saying "Remember me, I'm the guy who screwed Bret?" to someone that could care less.

[CanadianChick 0]

I think Edge has reached the point where turning him heel won't matter now. People just don't like him, period. He's got X-Pac syndrome, IMO. Even when he first came back from injury the pop was relatively quiet and he's never really gotten any sort of big pops since he returned. A successful heel turn, IMO, needs the guy to be successful as a face before turning, and right now if Edge is hated as a face why are fans going to be into him when he actually IS a heel?

You say X-Pac heat....but what if it's Rocky heat?

 

What if Edge turns heel, and that's his ticket to the top? It's very possible, and I am a bit sick of people claiming that heat for a wrestler that isnt' generally liked by the IWC is "X-Pac heat". Get over yourselves.

 

And not getting the reactions from injury is PERFECT motivation for Edge to turn heel. Quite frankly, fans haven't been given a reason to cheer him other than "he's a good guy!".

[Golgo 13 0]

The problem is they have that attitude without giving themselves a chance to get into the JBL character. If people had that same attitude in 1996 then Steve Austin would have been a lifelong WWE midcarder.

There's a BIG difference in 1996 Austin and John Bradshaw Layfield

I'm just using the comparison because Austin was a midcarder/tag team wrestler in WCW and then when he got to the WWE was basically a lower midcarder as The Ringmaster, but people gave him a chance.

But again, WWE gave Austin actual time to get Stone Cold over before putting him in position to the top guy. It's not comparable to JBL who WWE thrusted into the ME scene.

[bob_barron 0]

The problem is they have that attitude without giving themselves a chance to get into the JBL character. If people had that same attitude in 1996 then Steve Austin would have been a lifelong WWE midcarder.

There's a BIG difference in 1996 Austin and John Bradshaw Layfield

I'm just using the comparison because Austin was a midcarder/tag team wrestler in WCW and then when he got to the WWE was basically a lower midcarder as The Ringmaster, but people gave him a chance.

No they didn't. No one gave shit about him until he started ragging on Bret which was long after the Ringmaster gimmick

[treble 0]

Whoever sent Hebner out to ref the Orton/Benoit match is to blame for the 'You Screwed Bret' chants.  They know that the Canadian fans will chant it because it's fun to do (trust me, 99% of the people chanting it don't care about the Montreal incident anymore), and they still trotted him out there.

 

And Hebner doesn't exactly shy away from it when the cameras aren't on him.  I was at a Raw in Toronto last year and, of course, people broke out the chant when he came out.  Instead of ignoring it, he took a sign from the crowd that said 'Bret Screwed Bret' and starting waving it along with the chants.  It wouldn't surprise me if he was playing it up with the crowd while they were showing the video package.

Exactly, because he's reacting to a sign. I doubt he's going around saying "Remember me, I'm the guy who screwed Bret?" to someone that could care less.

He could have just ignored it, rather than going into the crowd and waving the sign in front of the entire arena. Also, if they really didn't want people chanting it, the King wouldn't have come down during the commercial and do some long promo about how he didn't want Earl to screw him over. They invite it themselves, which is why the majority of people still chant it.

[Guest Staravenger]

So which is it?

I look at it in the sense that for most of the night the fans looked to just be doing what they were doing it, just for the hell of it without any good reason. I can understand them crapping on the diva shit, and even other few things, but the entire show basicly?

 

They made it sound like it was the worst show ever in wrestling, and it wasn't. As if they thought it was cool to do this and that, boo for this guy, etc... It didn't seem to me like they were trying to make some huge statement to Vince or anything.

 

Besides, shitting on an entire show wont do anything to Vince. They paid their money for tickets, the next town WWE goes in will be back to "normal", so I doubt

Vince cares too much for the long term. And yes I know these people didn't buy their tickets knowing the entire card, but when the tickets went on sale WWE was pretty much in the same little grove.

 

Stop buying tickets if you want to make a statement, stop buying WWE products, and that's what'll get you heard...not acting like a bunch of smart asses in the crowd.

 

Besides, when you have these wrestlers in the ring working hard, and it looked to me like pretty much everyone was busting ass tonight, and then you as a fan shit all over it without giving anything a chance, it IS disrespectfull. Shitting on these guys working hard isn't hurting Vince, he's had his pay day. It's just being disrespectful to the workers, while they are working.

 

Again, tonights show was not a bad show, I've seen plenty of worse shows in my life. Hell, I've seen worse shows this YEAR.

This was probably the most thought out, intelligent response to all this arguing. And he has a point. EVERYONE seemed to be trying their best.

 

Even slugs like Undertaker and Kane were trying their best. Kane/Hardy were lucky enough to be one of the few matches that got away without a shitty reaction, but Undertaker/JBL didn't get a chance to get out of the box before the crap started.

[Promoter 0]

I don't think tonight was worse than the peak of "WHAT" chants. Now that was more disrespectful especially during national anthems. Seriously, if we take all the crap the wwe has thrown at fans over the years I don't see how one night everyone should be against fans who went against the wwe plans. How respectful were they with crap like Katie Vick and Paul Bearer dying to their viewers insulting their intelligence? I think it's about time the wwe got a reality check. I know the ppv wasn't a bad ppv, but having not a bad ppv for the second most expensive ppv show of the year isn't exactly a good thing for business now is it?

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

Gotta pretty much stick with the fact that they paid money to see this. If you pay money for something, you've officially bought the right to do whatever you want in relation to it, outside of causing another person physical harm and what not.