The Slow WWE style

[Guest Leon]

Seemingly every match at Summerslam started out with restholds/submission moves galore. I nearly fell asleep each time. Why can't two wrestlers just go "full force" for the entire duration of a match ? Why do we have to witness every wrestler attempt to use mat/ground tactics at the outset of each fucking match? (read: wrestlers who aren't even known for such mat work like Taker and fucking Bradshaw.) It's slow, repetitive, and most of all, boring! There's just no variety any more in any of the matches.

 

I truly believe this new style contributed to Toronto's vitriol tonight at SummerSlam.

[JoeDirt 0]

I like the style some of the time, but I just wish matches were allowed to have some variety, like the cruiserweight matches, etc. It would help people get over who have a different style than the one the WWE likes.

[Guest Staravenger]

You obviously don't like good wrestling, and enjoy spot fests with no psychology, meaning, or purpose.

[Angle-plex 0]

I agree with the first post in this thread. I seriously thought Taker passed out while he had one of those submissions locked in, as he was just laying there on the mat for what seemed like forever.

[tekcop 0]

I agree with the third post in this thread.... although a little variety wouldn't be bad.

[JoeDirt 0]

I like a bit of everything. That's why I love IWA Mid South and Ring of Honor, you see a variety of styles, hard hitting action, etc. You get mat wrestling clinics, high flying spotfests, strong style matches, etc.

[Angle-plex 0]

Only a few guys in WWE can work the submission style without it being boring as fuck. Most of the guys seem to think that now they can just rap their legs around the other guys head and lay on the mat for a few minutes instead of actually performing. The submission style would work but they need to keep moving while on the mat.

[slimm44 0]

The fans got bored 45 minutes into the show. I thought the crowd actually made the show enjoyable. They may have been distracting but the Wave was the funniest moment of the night.

[Guest Dazed]

I'll leave this thread open, as long as it stays a "WWE Style" discussion, and not another fucking "Toronto crowd" discussion. Thanks.

[Chazz 0]

Seemingly every match at Summerslam started out with restholds/submission moves galore. I nearly fell asleep each time. Why can't two wrestlers just go "full force" for the entire duration of a match ? Why do we have to witness every wrestler attempt to use mat/ground tactics at the outset of each fucking match? (read: wrestlers who aren't even known for such mat work like Taker and fucking Bradshaw.) It's slow, repetitive, and most of all, boring! There's just no variety any more in any of the matches.

 

I truly believe this new style contributed to Toronto's vitriol tonight at SummerSlam.

I fully agree. They either need to modify this "New WWE Style", or abandon It alltogether. Not only Is It boring as hell, but It seems everyone Is wrestling the exact same match night in and night out. Pick up the damn pace already!! Hopefully The Toronto Crowd will serve as a Wake Up call for Vince and Co. Then again...

[Art Sandusky 0]

I'll make a NASCAR analogy here.

 

Restrictor plate races are more prone to having massive wrecks because everyone is limited to the same speed and thus you end up with people trying to make bad moves and such in order to get ahead.

 

When the racers are allowed to go as fast as their tuning that week will allow, the field is allowed to spread out and you get a better race instead of caution after caution.

 

Don't lift all of the binds on WWE movesets, but let them go back to 2000-2001 levels.

[SuperJerk 0]

^Proving, once again, that NASCAR sucks.^

[Guest Staravenger]

^Proving, once again, that NASCAR sucks.^

Was there ever a doubt in anyones mind? People only watch for the crashes.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I like good wrestling, but the WWE Style tends to make every wrestler a cookie cutter wrestler with the most stripped down moveset they can have.

 

Not to mention every new wrestler they hire has to be retrained from scratch basically just to fit in the WWE Style. If they hire someone that can already wrestle then let them do what they do best and focus on training them to work the mic and to work the crowd.

[The Tino Standard 0]

The WWE Style might be a little tedious at times, but the fact of the matter is that it is way more realistic than the crap you'll find in indies or TNA right now.

 

Do I wish they'd open it up a little more from time to time? Sure. Do I wish wrestlers could have a little more variety? Absolutely.

 

But I'll take the realism of the WWE Style over a garbage spotfest any day.

[Steviekick 0]

I think the crowd's reaction was a huge wake up call.

 

Lately, I've been really bored with WWE matches. Since I'm not home when Raw/SD is on, I just fast forward. Too much punch, kick, lames submissions, and spinebusters.

 

And I do like the Nascar comparison. Everyone is working such a bland, potentially risk free style. Something is seriously wrong, it seems in the last three years that there are more injuries than ever.

[Steviekick 0]

The WWE Style might be a little tedious at times, but the fact of the matter is that it is way more realistic than the crap you'll find in indies or TNA right now.

 

Do I wish they'd open it up a little more from time to time? Sure. Do I wish wrestlers could have a little more variety? Absolutely.

 

But I'll take the realism of the WWE Style over a garbage spotfest any day.

The problem is that EVERYONE basically works the same match. And all the really green guys getting matches. Everyone sucks and is the same.

[1234-5678 0]

I think the crowd's reaction was a huge wake up call.

 

Lately, I've been really bored with WWE matches. Since I'm not home when Raw/SD is on, I just fast forward. Too much punch, kick, lames submissions, and spinebusters.

 

And I do like the Nascar comparison. Everyone is working such a bland, potentially risk free style. Something is seriously wrong, it seems in the last three years that there are more injuries than ever.

If the crowd's reaction to this awful style isn't a wake up call, then perhaps the attendance figures, TV ratings and PPV buyrates should be.

[NoCalMike 0]

The bigger problem is not the restholds and submissions but in general it seems like the wrestlers are not being taught how to work a crowd properly. The WWE is the only wrestling promotion today that hears a silent crowd out there and answers them with ANOTHER 15mins laying on the mat. If the crowd is slow and not responding you need to take it upon yourself to do something to liven them up. This doesn't mean necessairly crash through a table, but it is called picking up the pace. WWE MEers seemed dead set on working the match the way they planned it before-hand regardless if the fans are shitting on it or not, and this shows the lack of psychology and ability to work the crowd and quite possibly it shows that they are throwing in young inexperienced workers into higher positions that don't quite know what they are doing yet and can't handle themselves properly.

[Promoter 0]

I think the wwe might acknowledge this as weren't there rumours about the agents trying to get the wrestlers to be more on tap with the crowd reactions at house shows and work with the audience? I admit there needs to be some variety and tonight was not as bad as the smackdown taping I went to where most of the stuff seemed robotic.

[JoeDirt 0]

I just can't stand the lack of EMOTION in the WWE at times. The only time their was any emotion or character development or anything tonight that felt like anything real was when Orton won the title and Benoit came back to shake his hand, yelling "be a man!" THAT was done well. But everything else is just emotionless. The WWE just isn't doing a good job, at least in my mind, of sucking people in and getting them to care about the bulk of their characters.

[Fökai 0]

WWE MEers seemed dead set on working the match the way they planned it before-hand regardless if the fans are shitting on it or not, and this shows the lack of psychology and ability to work the crowd and quite possibly it shows that they are throwing in young inexperienced workers into higher positions that don't quite know what they are doing yet and can't handle themselves properly.

Good point.

 

To make an example, this was a chief reason why Hogan was fed up with the WWE following the Smackdown taping at Madison Square Garden last year. He found that the other five in the ring (Lesnar, Angle, Show, Haas and Benjamin) didn't listen to the crowd's demands and improvise the hot-tag to go to Hogan.

[Chazz 0]

Ever since WCW folded over 3 Years ago, It seems as If Vince and Co. no longer care about "Giving The Fans What They Want." It seems to be a collective "You'll take what we give you and like It." Maybe that's one of the reasons fans have tuned out In droves the last few years.

[Guest JoeyStyles]

You obviously don't like good wrestling, and enjoy spot fests with no psychology, meaning, or purpose.

Yeah that Taker/JBL match was full of psychology and I can't wait for the rematch.

[Dark Age 0]

You obviously don't like good wrestling, and enjoy spot fests with no psychology, meaning, or purpose.

Wow, he doesn't like WWE Style. He MUST hate good wrestling.

[Nevermortal 0]

I enjoyed JBL & Taker, but then again, I am a mark for 6'10 guys applying triangle chokes.

[1234-5678 0]

Ever since WCW folded over 3 Years ago, It seems as If Vince and Co. no longer care about "Giving The Fans What They Want." It seems to be a collective "You'll take what we give you and like It." Maybe that's one of the reasons fans have tuned out In droves the last few years.

If this crap went against Nitro and Thunder, it would LOSE and LOSE big time.

[Guest Loss]

I'd rather them focus more on telling a story than displaying a huge moveset personally, and I think many of the changes in style have been for the better. I think that style is the right one for the main event wrestlers to use. It's not necessarily the right style for the undercard though. They seem to be trying to get everyone to wrestle like it's 1988 NWA, but the problem is that the bar has been raised since then, the crowds aren't nearly as vociferous and there's not enough variety from match to match.

 

Even the tag formula could be improved greatly by occasionally doing a hope spot where the wrestler makes the tag and the ref doesn't see it, and also by the heels doing things like holding the ropes for leverage during the ground holds. The faces need to upstage the heels more and they need to do a better job timing commercial breaks. Flair should not be in the ring. Sometimes, it's ok for a longer match to go 10-12 minutes instead of 20-24 minutes.

 

WWE tends to get caught up in an idea, and lose themselves inside of it, to a point where they go too far with it. And heaven forbid anything they do be well-received, because that means we're going to have that very thing shoved down our throats until we start to hate it.

[BHK 0]

Speaking of which, they need to change the tag match formula. badly. The whole "face in peril then hot tag" has been used for FOREVER. they need to change it now.

[Guest Loss]

Speaking of which, they need to change the tag match formula. badly. The whole "face in peril then hot tag" has been used for FOREVER. they need to change it now.

No, they don't. They just need to work that formula in better fashion. There are all sorts of things the Midnights used to do with the Rock and Rolls and Fantastics (comedy spots, false tags behind the ref's back, cheating behind the ref's back constantly, getting shown up every time they try to do something for the first 10 minutes or so) that are not being done in WWE matches now. They think they only way they can inject comedy into a show is through a backstage "sketch", when they can actually do it and serve a purpose through matches.