Guest False Alarm! Posted February 1, 2008 Report Posted February 1, 2008 Regarding the Nuthouse; Charlie appearing in the future and all that, I'm assuming it's the island/Jacob/whatever...Which then would mean that he could leave the island? Oh, and Hurley's Cannonball~!
Mik Posted February 2, 2008 Report Posted February 2, 2008 Hurley also said that "he wanted them back there and he'll stop at nothing to get them back", so I'm wondering who "He" is. He was saying it - not he. He was talking about the island. Rewatching the premiere I was struck by how awesome the character of Ben is - perhaps more specifically the portrayal by Michael Emerson. He's at his best when he's captive. He slayed me with a few of his lines last night. Also: the piano version of Charlie's theme is pretty much perfect. It gets to me. It starts about 45 seconds in: http://www.divshare.com/download/3564735-93c
Lord of The Curry Posted February 2, 2008 Report Posted February 2, 2008 I hated having to avoid this thread but now that I'm good and done.....fuck that was some good stuff. I love being reminded why I fell in love with this show in the first place. - Yeah, I teared up when Hurley asked "What about Charlie?". Wanna fight about it? - OH SHIT JACOBS CABIN IS INVISIBLE - OCEANIC 6 - PULLED THE GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING TRIGGER. TWICE. - Ben asking Jack "Can I please go with John?" was a serious LOL moment. It's almost like Ben has passed the torch and realized that Locke is the new leader. - CEDRIC DANIELS BITCH. We need an Omar cameo this season while we're just tossing Wire cast members around. - WHAT DID JACK DO?
Scroby Posted February 2, 2008 Report Posted February 2, 2008 Hurley also said that "he wanted them back there and he'll stop at nothing to get them back", so I'm wondering who "He" is. He was saying it - not he. He was talking about the island. Rewatching the premiere I was struck by how awesome the character of Ben is - perhaps more specifically the portrayal by Michael Emerson. He's at his best when he's captive. He slayed me with a few of his lines last night. Also: the piano version of Charlie's theme is pretty much perfect. It gets to me. It starts about 45 seconds in: http://www.divshare.com/download/3564735-93c Oh Hurley said "it"? I could have sworn Hurley said "he". My mistake.
The Metal Maniac Posted February 2, 2008 Report Posted February 2, 2008 The prevailing theory seems to be the "Oceanic 6" were allowed to leave the island, in exchange for claiming to be the only survivors, presumably under penalty of the rest being killed if any of the O6 start revealing the truth. I hadn't thought of that myself, but I like it. A thought also just occurred to me that, with Hurley saying that "it" wanted to bring them back, I think it's quite possible that the "rescuers" are essentially at war with Jacob (not literally, but they obviously want control of the island and it's secrets) and Jacob is trying to bring the 6 back because they can somehow help him. Jack pulling the trigger was the best thing ever.
Guest LuckyLopez Posted February 2, 2008 Report Posted February 2, 2008 Oceanic 6: There are only 6 people that returned from the Island. Either something happen to the rest or the rest stayed on the Island and only Kate, Jack, Hurley, ???, ???, ??? knows who stayed behind or if something happen to the rest. I think its a basic mistake to presume Kate is part of the "Six." She might be, but given that she's a wanted murderer and appears to be roaming free I imagine there's a chance that she got off the island but managed to avoid identification as one of the survivors. I mean, maybe she did come as one of the Six and she just got a commuted sentence or new evidence popped up when she was "dead" or the people who rescued them and seemed to strike some sort of deal and managed to cover up a plane crash managed to secure her freedom. But with this show, who knows? I just think that narrowing our scope to the idea that "six people" got off the island is a basic mistake considering what we know about this show. Kate and others could have avoided identification and could be living under the radar. Afterall, from the flashbacks we've seen no less than Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Eko, Jin, and Sun all separately assume false identities (or plan to in Sun and Jin's cases) in order to hide from someone or stay off the grid. Plus the mystery around Libby. The "Six" are celebrities. Lots of the survivors were trying to avoid being detected before the flight. Especially since half the flight were criminals and killers it seems. Some may have returned in another way like Michael and Walt. And Desmon, Juliette, and Ben are not survivors of the flight. So if they, Rosseau, Alex, Karl, Richard, Mikhail, or any of the other (no pun intended) people make it they theoretically wouldn't be part of that Six. You can probably even rationalize that Aaron can make it back with Claire and not be considered one of the Six because he wasn't born yet. Or maybe 5 of the 6 are Jack, Hurley, Kate, Michael, and Walt. Who knows? It just strikes me that making presumptions about this show is a mistake and it just leads to 20 episodes from now the audience getting mad that a 7th person made it back when they were presuming only 6 did. I realize its impossible to avoid speculating with a show like this, but I do think narrowing the framework for that speculation based on things you think Lost implied seems silly in Season 4. They've clearly identified Jack and Hurley as two of the "Six." They've never said "only six people make it back" or "Kate is one of those Six."
Ravenbomb Posted February 2, 2008 Report Posted February 2, 2008 No, they've clearly identified only Hurley as one of the Oceanic Six. We don't even know why there's an Oceanic Six. Maybe a lot of them got rescued and six of them were singled out for some reason afterwards.
Mik Posted February 2, 2008 Report Posted February 2, 2008 That's a good point. Maybe they all got off the island but 6 are famous? I'd say as of now the only for sure members are Jack and Hurley.
Guest LuckyLopez Posted February 2, 2008 Report Posted February 2, 2008 You're right. The cop says Hurley is a celebrity. Jack says he's a celebrity (and is clearly identified as a hero twice over and recognized in public). Hurley uses the Oceanic Six term but then backs off it in the station saying he's not a celebrity. So for all we know more than six survivors could have made it back to a public welcoming, Jack could have been singled out as the "hero" there, and then 6 of them including Hurley could have separated themselves in some way. Guess I should follow my own advice.
C Dubya 04 Posted February 3, 2008 Report Posted February 3, 2008 I think that Jack and Hurley are both part of the 6. The Oceanic 6 is a name that would probably take off from the beginning of their return, and not as a way for them to separate themselves from Jack. I think that there must be some deal struck where they don't mention that anyone else even survived the plane crash, as Hurley didn't mention that Ana Lucia had been on the island with him and then died.
treble Posted February 3, 2008 Report Posted February 3, 2008 Good point. The cop also asked if he had met her on the plane before it went down and didn't mention anything about meeting her on the island.
Spaceman Spiff Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 Star Wars nerd Sawyer makes another appearance!
The Amazing Rando Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 I think the big question at this point is how the hell did they find the entire plane under water INTACT when most of it is scattered around the island in pieces.
Aero Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 I think that was the dummy plane that was "planted" by the Others or whoever to make the world think that there were no survivors.
Aero Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 That was actually my first live viewing episode as I just finished watching all the seasons on DVD earlier in the week. I seriously read just about this entire thread as I watched the episodes. Apparently Hurley seeing Jacob's cabin is quite a big deal, judging by Ben and Locke's reactions. Finally, someone asks Ben what the smoke monster is. Disappointing that we didn't get any answers, but at least it was finally asked.
bobobrazil1984 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 Thought this episode was great. The show feels sort of fresh, maybe because they're not stalling anymore now that they have an endpoint and an X number of episodes. Very good pacing, I like how we were introduced to all 4 of the "rescuers", got a glimpse of their past, AND got at least a whiff of their real motive, all in this episode... instead of being insufferably cryptic for 6 episodes like last year's "Livin' with the Others" nonsense.
Cowboy Battlenuts Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 I dont know, between the dude talking to ghosts with his vacuum cleaner and Ben not knowing what the black smoke monster is, this seems to be straying far into the fiction side of things. I still can't believe they're in Season 4 and we still have way more questions then answers. I like it, but yeah.
Mik Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 Juliet already explained last season that they don't know what it is but they do know that it doesn't like the security fence. I believe that was a serious response. Ben most likely genuinely does not know. Hurley is going to play a major role in things... being that he can see Jacob. It's looking like Col. Daniels (Matthew Abadon) is going to have a major role this season. Ben is so fucking awesome. It just needs to be said. He's such a great character. The whole speech he gave to Sawyer today was great...as was his final speech.
Cowboy Battlenuts Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 He didn't see Jacob tho, he saw Jacob's cabin, and Jack's dad sitting in the chair. I'm beginning to hate having to figure things out through Hurley because he's clearly not right in the head.
Mik Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 I believe he did see Jacob. The eye. It wasn't Locke.
Cowboy Battlenuts Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 I'd have to re-watch but I was pretty sure that was Locke.
Aero Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 I thought it was Locke, too, but I was under the impression that the eye saw Hurley looking in. Tonight, when Hurley told Locke that the cabin was in a different direction, Locke seemed surprised that Hurley knew what he was talking about. So maybe it wasn't Locke's eye.
Spaceman Spiff Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 If you read the recap over on TWOP, it was pointed out that the colors of Locke's eyes & Window's eye were different.
Ravenbomb Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 Any turn of events that brings Jeff Fahey into the show gets my approval.
Scroby Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 I think I caught a glimpse of hair on the eye that looked at Hurley, but I could be wrong. The face came up so quick it was very hard to see anything other than the eye itself. If it means anything we know it's a white guy.
Gert T Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 So is it presumed that if Linus has a guy on the boat, that Hurley became one of the '6', since Ben was threatened by Hurley seeing the cabin. And I loved Miles explaining "tell my sister I love her" to Daniel.
Craig Th Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 Muchhhh better episode this week. And even though they didn't say it out loud, Kate is definitely apart of the "6." When was the last time they talked about the numbers? We gonna get any info on them? Or are the writers just going to "forget" about it?
milliondollarchamp Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 I'm guessing Ben's man on the boat is Michael.
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