Is the Republican party by nature, the Majority?

[NoCalMike 0]

Ok, I often hear that the Republican Party(not counting religious whackos) is the majority party/affiliation, and I kind of agree, but I think it is by design and/or nature.

 

By definition, isn't conservatism something along the lines of wanting to keep things the same, and build on the foundation we have and make them stronger, while liberalism calls for constant progressiveness, always wanting things to change and get "better" So by nature, more people are going to want to not bother with stuff, and just keep it the way it is.

 

Now this isn't to say that EVERY IDEA brought up by a liberal for change is a good one or bad one, I am just saying it is the nature of the beast.

 

I think by nature people are more naturally conservative, because a lot of conservative rhetoric and ideals seem very reactionary and a lot of the times to me they seem like the "easy decisions" for example, "we get bombed, you get bombed 100x worse" As where a liberal would be like, "we get bombed, first find out why the hell we were bombed, and try to make it so in the future they won't want us to get bombed anymore" Now I am not trying to say these hypothetical situations are always right or wrong when carried out. I am sure certain ones fit in with certain situations and other times don't work at all.

 

Agree with them or not, to me, it takes a lot more balls to be a liberal, and I think history will show it. Not to say liberals were right in every situation(they certainly were not).

 

(yes, I am bored..... )

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Worldwide, the Republican Party is a dinosaur.

 

We're one of the few non-extremist nations left that takes their positions as anything more than a cute joke. That we're one of the largest and most powerful and most advanced nations in the world makes that further ridiculous.

 

It takes balls to be a liberal because liberal has become a bad word to be hissed as an accusation. Conservative is still considered any regular Republican/Libertarian, from Arnold's optimism to Bush's authoritarianism.

 

Compared to conservative, liberal is fightin' words. Calling someone a liberal is akin to calling someone a girly man these days.

[Highland 0]

America is, to my knowledge, conservative. Certainly it leans further to the right than Europe. The liberals have done themselves no favours by portraying themselves as anarchistic radicals (I know that's not an accurate assessment) to a populace in which the majority want stability in their lives.

Edited September 1, 2004 by Highland

[Guest Olympic Slam]

I think by nature people are more naturally conservative, because a lot of conservative rhetoric and ideals seem very reactionary and a lot of the times to me they seem like the "easy decisions"

HAHAHAHAHAHAH! How is life up there in your ivory tower? Liberalism is the very definition of the easy way out. There's no critical thought given to just about every domestic issue; its all about feeeeeelings. Which is why the left appeals to the poor and uneducated and promises government handouts with utter disregard for the the social and economic implications.

 

Agree with them or not, to me, it takes a lot more balls to be a liberal, and I think history will show it. 

My ASS! Explain how just about every country (outside of the U.S) is getting more and more liberal in its policies. Explain to me how its so easy for liberals to get away with their platforms while Republicans and Conservatives get called every name in the book (racist, homophobe) when they promote their agenda. Being liberal is a breeze. Just spew crap about tolerance and fairness for all and you'll be just fine.

[NoCalMike 0]

I think by nature people are more naturally conservative, because a lot of conservative rhetoric and ideals seem very reactionary and a lot of the times to me they seem like the "easy decisions"

HAHAHAHAHAHAH! How is life up there in your ivory tower? Liberalism is the very definition of the easy way out. There's no critical thought given to just about every domestic issue; its all about feeeeeelings. Which is why the left appeals to the poor and uneducated and promises government handouts with utter disregard for the the social and economic implications.

 

Agree with them or not, to me, it takes a lot more balls to be a liberal, and I think history will show it. 

My ASS! Explain how just about every country (outside of the U.S) is getting more and more liberal in its policies. Explain to me how its so easy for liberals to get away with their platforms while Republicans and Conservatives get called every name in the book (racist, homophobe) when they promote their agenda. Being liberal is a breeze. Just spew crap about tolerance and fairness for all and you'll be just fine.

Both sides get called names regularly.

[NoCalMike 0]

I think by nature people are more naturally conservative, because a lot of conservative rhetoric and ideals seem very reactionary and a lot of the times to me they seem like the "easy decisions"

HAHAHAHAHAHAH! How is life up there in your ivory tower? Liberalism is the very definition of the easy way out. There's no critical thought given to just about every domestic issue; its all about feeeeeelings. Which is why the left appeals to the poor and uneducated and promises government handouts with utter disregard for the the social and economic implications.

 

I dunno, I just figured, "hit me and I'll hit you back" is one of the easier decisions/thought processes known to mankind.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

I think by nature people are more naturally conservative, because a lot of conservative rhetoric and ideals seem very reactionary and a lot of the times to me they seem like the "easy decisions"

HAHAHAHAHAHAH! How is life up there in your ivory tower? Liberalism is the very definition of the easy way out. There's no critical thought given to just about every domestic issue; its all about feeeeeelings. Which is why the left appeals to the poor and uneducated and promises government handouts with utter disregard for the the social and economic implications.

 

I dunno, I just figured, "hit me and I'll hit you back" is one of the easier decisions/thought processes known to mankind.

It is, but that's a needle in a haystack (and it can work if done right). Look at the Green Party platform and you tell me that the Left isn't the branch with the "easy answers."

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

In America I think the majority of people are Democrats -- they're just too stupid and lazy to vote, which is a good thing...

[Stephen Joseph 0]

The words liberal and conservative have been twisted with respect to the parties. They're BOTH liberal and BOTH conservative (i.e. they both want change in certain areas and want to keep things the same in others).

 

It takes balls to be publicly ANYTHING. The easy way out is to be "Independent".

 

Newsflash people. The democrats USED to be conservative and the Repubs were liberal...ever heard of the 16th amendment? And it was the democrats in both WW1 and WW2 who wanted increased military, not the republicans. The Republicans were reformists (prohibition anyone?)

 

The parties are both and then are none. Saying one is better than the other reeks of very limited intelligence. You need BOTH sides of the spectrum to effectively create beneficial policy. You need to be both restrained and changing.

 

And if you're going to judge the American political system against Europe's keep this in mind. Their economies are NOTHING compared to ours, our freedoms are much greater, and our political systems are more independent and more stable.

 

While our governing system is imperfect, I fail to see anyone else who's doing it better. Because if they were we'd see evidence of people moving there, of jobs there, of an insanely good economy etc...

 

And sadly, if you base your decision on the above, the fast rising nation of the last 15 years has been China.

[Special K 0]

It depends on where you live, duh.

I live in WA state, where the vast majority of people are liberal. Say you don't like affirmative action and they'll call you a fascist.

I used to go to school in NO, where the vast majority of people I knew were Conservative. Say you're in favor of gay marriage and they call you a 'queer lover'.

 

It's asinine to debate whether being a lefty or righty is brave or not. The only thing that's cowardly is just telling everyone what they want to hear.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

The parties are both and then are none.

Ok John Kerry...

[Stephen Joseph 0]

The parties are both and then are none.

Ok John Kerry...

Don't insult me by calling me Kerry.

 

I mean... DAMN KKK!

[Slayer 0]

The parties are both and then are none.

Ok John Kerry...

He's an economist, so he's allowed to make vague pluralist statements

[NoCalMike 0]

well see that is another thing, when I was using the terms "liberal" and "conservative" I didn't necessarily mean democrat/republican.

[Styles 0]

Worldwide, the Republican Party is a dinosaur.

 

We're one of the few non-extremist nations left that takes their positions as anything more than a cute joke. That we're one of the largest and most powerful and most advanced nations in the world makes that further ridiculous.

I don't think the fact that we are one of the few nations left that still practice conservative ideology and the fact that we are the most powerful and prosperous nation in the world is mutually exclusive!

[Justice 0]

Worldwide, the Republican Party is a dinosaur.

*laughs*

 

Is it just me, or are some left getting more and more aggressive as we get closer to the election? I mean, just yesterday I had to bitch my roommate down for suddenly getting all touchy (Which lead to the quote of the night in "When someone doesn't do their job, I want them gone!" to which I replied "Then how can you support unions?" ).

 

Anyways, the rest of the world is far more socialist than we are, which is the biggest reason why they lag behind us so far. I dunno how you can call the party that's economic policy is basically allows us to keep a step ahead in the world market a 'dinosaur'. But hey, if you think the whole "Bread line" thing is cutting edge, good for you.

 

We're one of the few non-extremist nations left that takes their positions as anything more than a cute joke. That we're one of the largest and most powerful and most advanced nations in the world makes that further ridiculous.

 

Perhaps you fail to realize that the rest of the world is behind us primarily BECAUSE of our conservatism. I find it funny that they'd call the Republican Party a cute joke because, well, in general they are cute jokes to us.

 

It takes balls to be a liberal because liberal has become a bad word to be hissed as an accusation.

 

It takes more balls to just be an American in today's world, frankly.

 

Compared to conservative, liberal is fightin' words. Calling someone a liberal is akin to calling someone a girly man these days.

 

Hey, you dug your own hole. Don't blame us for it.

[Highland 0]

It takes balls to be a liberal because liberal has become a bad word to be hissed as an accusation.

The exact opposite is true here. Replace "liberal" with "conservative" in that quote.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I don't think the fact that we are one of the few nations left that still practice conservative ideology and the fact that we are the most powerful and prosperous nation in the world is mutually exclusive!

Gee, that's taking credit for quite a bit much, don't you think?

 

Same to Powerplay.

[Guest MikeSC]

I don't think the fact that we are one of the few nations left that still practice conservative ideology and the fact that we are the most powerful and prosperous nation in the world is mutually exclusive! 

Gee, that's taking credit for quite a bit much, don't you think?

 

Same to Powerplay.

Can you explain it otherwise?

 

The rest of the world has virtually NO work ethic remaining --- which is why, in almost every category, they're mired in a shitbox.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

The economy? The workforce? We're usually the guy on top economically because so many large industries started here.

 

However, if you want, take credit for making our military fucking huge.

[tommytomlin 0]

See, I always thought it was your massive population, natural resources and a few hundred years of development that made America the world's number one superpower, but apparently it's conservative values. I'll call Borneo and let them know the path to riches.

[Styles 0]

See, I always thought it was your massive population, natural resources and a few hundred years of development that made America the world's number one superpower, but apparently it's conservative values. I'll call Borneo and let them know the path to riches.

Conservative economic values, yes. Free trade, free enterprise, the encouragement of entrepreneurship, less taxes, the accumulation of wealth and investment of that wealth to attain more wealth, more self-sufficiency rather than government dependency, etc. These values are epitomized in American values, and even most "liberal" thinkers in this country would be considered conservative in most socialist republics. It's no coincidence, freer the market, freer the people.

[Justice 0]

The economy? The workforce? We're usually the guy on top economically because so many large industries started here.

 

However, if you want, take credit for making our military fucking huge.

Wow, you almost get it! That's exactly why we are on top, and free trade allows us to keep that innovative edge. We phaze out old, inefficient industries as the cornerstone of our economy for newer and better ones: Textiles to Heavy Industry to Manufacturing and now onto Hi-Tech and Biotech. If Kerry represents liberal economic values, then it's conservative free trade policy that keeping us on top of the world economy, and it's the reason why we are still ahead of China.

 

The same comparison can be made with our military. It's certainly not the largest military out there, but it's better armed and better trained than any military. That's the real reason we can demolish anyone: We might not outnumber them, but we are likely ahead of them by 25 years when it comes to technology.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

The parties are both and then are none.

Ok John Kerry...

He's an economist, so he's allowed to make vague pluralist statements

exactly

[Stephen Joseph 0]

The economy? The workforce? We're usually the guy on top economically because so many large industries started here.

 

However, if you want, take credit for making our military fucking huge.

JOTW, we're on top of the world because we lead in INNOVATION. That's why large things get started here, we're the best at innovating...so why not be proud of that? You act like that's a bad thing...

 

i.e. its our comparative advantage.

 

EDIT: What Powerplay said. Our institutional arrangements have fostered the growth that has propelled America to the 'world leader' Whatever those American values are.

Edited September 2, 2004 by Stephen Joseph

[Styles 0]

JOTW, we're on top of the world because we lead in INNOVATION. That's why large things get started here, we're the best at innovating...so why not be proud of that? You act like that's a bad thing...

Liberals might not hate America but they sure seem ashamed of it more than they are proud...