Kaertos 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Check out The Bits here They have a good review of the discs and screenshots of the changes. Which, IMHO, are nowhere near as bad as everyone was making them out to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Okay I was under the impression that they would make Anakin look at least aged i.e. make Hayden Christiansen look older...this was the first time I've seen these pics, btw...you mean to tell me he doesn't age between episodes 3 and 6??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eiker_ir 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Luke looks like a 70's Chris Benoit in the cover of A New Hope Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH CHANGING ANAKIN IN JEDI?!?!?!?!? Has Lucas no sense of historical value..."Oh, now the children will recognize who that is!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaertos 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 The best reasoning I have read for Anakin's age at the end of Jedi was pretty simple and pretty convincing. When he became Darth Vader, Anakin Skywalker "died". When you see their ghosts, you see them at the time of their death. Therefore... As far as "Lucas has no sense of historical value" I'm not sure I understand what the big deal is. They replaced a ghostly vision in less than thirty seconds of actual film with a more accurate representation of the character when he was a Jedi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Lucas is insane...why is Anakin old in the original versions then if he "died"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 At least he didn't insert Portman in the ghost scene like it was rumored... ...as far as we can see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaertos 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 why is Anakin old in the original versions then if he "died"? Because if a young actor you'd never seen before suddenly appeared at the end of the movie as a ghost, nobody would have had any idea who he was. Sebastian Shaw was there, they threw him in a robe and there you go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 The following is some of the most fucked up stuff ever. Let's not forget that they have actually changed some dialogue as I pointed out in the thread that I started. There isn't a single reason for changing ANY of the following. I'm not even a Star Wars "fanboy", I just think it's stupid regardless of what these films are. Some of the changes even change certain meanings of the film, etc... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 I'll hold off judgment until I actually watch the DVDs, but I'll check the guy's review. Actually I don't see what the big deal is, since it's a 30 second or so shot. It's not like when Greedo shot first, you know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 I thought they were getting rid of Greedo shooting first Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 I'm too lazy to look this up -- how much is this going to cost? Plus, I didn't find the "additions" too offensive... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 I thought they were getting rid of Greedo shooting first It looks like it's now "Greedo shoots first - barely" which at least makes some sense. Colours look better as well in those screenshots. And Jabba looks, well good. And it doesn't seem like anyone's complaining about the new shots of Ian McDermid in those Empire stills. Let's not forget that they have actually changed some dialogue as I pointed out in the thread that I started. I think this is what you're talking about (includes reviewer's theory on the dialogue)? I should note that the Emperor alteration also involves a change in the scene's dialogue - one that is at first confusing. The Emperor now tells Vader that he has no doubt "the young rebel who destroyed the Death Star" is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker, to which Vader replies "How is that possible?" That doesn't seem to make sense, because we know that Vader is aware of who Luke is from dialogue earlier in the film ("That's it. The Rebels are there. And I'm sure Skywalker is with them."). I suspect, however, that we'll find out in Episode III that Anakin DOES learn of Luke's existence as an infant, and he hides this knowledge from the Emperor. What that would mean is that Vader's been waiting all these years to find Luke as an adult and turn him to the Dark Side so that they can overthrow the Emperor together - a plot Vader ultimately confesses to Luke at the end of Empire. We'll have to wait for Episode III to see how this new bit of dialogue fits in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Grand Slam, everything you've mentioned about the Anakin switch makes no damn sense (and I'm not blaming you if that's the reasoning you've heard, btw)...so you're telling me they couldn't get a hot young actor that everyone knew back in 84 or whenever to fill that spot so they settled on Sebastian Shaw and cast Anakin as being old rather than still young...THAT'S why Anakin appears old when his mask is taken off??? Bottom line is, unless they showed an aged Hayden Christiansen with a bald head and scars when the masked is removed and an aged Hayden with greyish hair as a ghost, Lucas dropped the ball with this one badly...I don't mind the change as it keeps the consistency but they should have at least made Hayden look old... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Bottom line is, unless they showed an aged Hayden Christiansen with a bald head and scars when the masked is removed and an aged Hayden with greyish hair as a ghost, Lucas dropped the ball with this one badly...I don't mind the change as it keeps the consistency but they should have at least made Hayden look old... From the review, it's Black King in the reveal and (as seen above) Joey Lawrence in the ghost image. It MIGHT tie in with something in ep III, but I suppose that only Lucas knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Bottom line is, unless they showed an aged Hayden Christiansen with a bald head and scars when the masked is removed and an aged Hayden with greyish hair as a ghost, Lucas dropped the ball with this one badly...I don't mind the change as it keeps the consistency but they should have at least made Hayden look old... From the review, it's Black King in the reveal and (as seen above) Joey Lawrence in the ghost image. It MIGHT tie in with something in ep III, but I suppose that only Lucas knows. that's joey lawrence??? damn i need a better monitor... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted September 9, 2004 ehhh, nothing horrible. Although having the "younger" Skywalker in the final shot does look weird. My biggest problem with Lucas updating these movies is that he cut the funky celebration music from the end of return of the jedi. That was one of my favorite tunes from the movie, and the stuff he got to replace it with sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaertos 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Ahhh I see where you are coming from BL. Why is he old in the death scene and young as a ghost? I see. Well, I guess my response to that is pretty easy. Sure, physically he aged. But the person that was Anakin Skywalker, the Jedi and Obi-Wan's friend, ceased to exist the moment he became Darth Vader. So, when his mask is taken off, you see the real face of an aged Vader / Anakin. In the ghost scene, we see how Anakin looked when he "died", that is, when he ceased to be. Makes sense, I think, if you look at it that way. As far as the "Why didn;t they do that in the first place" question. I guess the simple answer is they didn't think about it. The logic I presented above certainly wasn't anything Lucas thought about when he was finishing off the original trilogy. Now that there is a concrete image of what Anakin looked like when he "died", he can fill it in. I guess what I'm saying is, I thought it would bother me, but it really doesn't. As far as replacing the Emperor in the scene in Empire, I could care less. This ties things together better. I'm not even going to touch the can-of-worms that is the Han/Greedo scene. The rest of the changes are good. The landspeeder and Jabba stuff always looked really really fake to me, so replacing it with something more realistic is a great idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Carrie Fisher on commentary? I wonder if she'll say (during the carbon freeze scene) "here's where I was stoned out of my mind, and couldn't remember my lines, leading Harrison to come up with the great 'I know' line when I tell him I love him"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Bottom line is, unless they showed an aged Hayden Christiansen with a bald head and scars when the masked is removed and an aged Hayden with greyish hair as a ghost, Lucas dropped the ball with this one badly...I don't mind the change as it keeps the consistency but they should have at least made Hayden look old... From the review, it's Black King in the reveal and (as seen above) Joey Lawrence in the ghost image. It MIGHT tie in with something in ep III, but I suppose that only Lucas knows. that's joey lawrence??? damn i need a better monitor... I hope you were joking about my joke... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaertos 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 We can only hope and pray Spiff... hope and pray. On a similar note, have any of you heard Carrie Fisher's voice lately? Good Lord, the woman's voice has just been ruined by her lifestyle. very deep and throaty... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jm29195 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 I've already got a copy of the starwars trilogy on dvd- I've had it since Tuesday actually, it's helluva good, some of the best dolby 5.1 stuff I've ever heard, the extra stuff is really good aswell, I don't know when it's supposed to be coming out in the US but over here in the UK it's not out till the 20th so I've got it really early, oh well I guess that's a per of my job! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Bottom line is, unless they showed an aged Hayden Christiansen with a bald head and scars when the masked is removed and an aged Hayden with greyish hair as a ghost, Lucas dropped the ball with this one badly...I don't mind the change as it keeps the consistency but they should have at least made Hayden look old... From the review, it's Black King in the reveal and (as seen above) Joey Lawrence in the ghost image. It MIGHT tie in with something in ep III, but I suppose that only Lucas knows. that's joey lawrence??? damn i need a better monitor... I hope you were joking about my joke... starvenger... sure does look like him though, good call... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 Having read the article and watched the picture stills I'm convinced most changes/tweaks are for the better. I guess the most controversial could be the Anakin "ghost image" but it seems to work out well, IMO. Same for the revamped Jabba the Hutt and Emperor Palpatine. The light-saber duel effects revision is truly welcome. I'm actually pumped, as the release date gets closer and closer, I'm readying my liquid crystal flat screen (I also have a 27'' TV) and my Home theater will go on full blast to see and hear all the greatness. As the far as the added dialogue goes, I guess we'll have to wait for EpIII to see how it fits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheLastBoyscout Report post Posted September 9, 2004 The films were a best before the SE changes. When you make changes twenty years later just for the sake of making changes, you remove the context in which the films were made. Not to mention that the SFX used for the changes violently clash with the conventional effects used for the rest of the film and it's not hard to see why almost no one likes the SE versions as much as the originals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 I don't think Lucas is trying to put forth his "original vision" (as he says), he's just trying to repackage the old movies in a different ways so people will buy them, either out of love for the original originals or as a curiousity to see what he fucked with... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ravenbomb 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2004 would Luke even recognize Young Anakin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMann2003 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2004 would Luke even recognize Young Anakin? That's the only question I have, I'm not really bugged by the inclusion so much as I find it odd. I am intrigued by the suggestion here that Annikan knew about Luke (but not Leia, wonder how that'd work out) and kept him secret from the Emporer, biding his time until his son came of age so he could turn him and overtake the Emporer. He just didn't expect the son to save him. I kinda hope that's layed out in the third one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaertos 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2004 Apparently, according to IGNDVD, Lucas explains why he replaced Sebastian Shaw with Hayden in the "Ghost Scene" in the commentary, but they wouldn;t print it because it is "spoilerish". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2004 Apparently, according to IGNDVD, Lucas explains why he replaced Sebastian Shaw with Hayden in the "Ghost Scene" in the commentary, but they wouldn;t print it because it is "spoilerish". ...and in related news, IGN DVD is a shitty site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
