GreatWhiteNope Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Kerry's daughters are on assignment at a kegger.
Dr. Tyler; Captain America Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 I don't think either one won it.
Guest MikeSC Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Does ANYONE honestly believe that Bush won this? Yup. -=Mike
Guest GreatOne Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 That was Undertaker vs A-Train ironman match quality right there.
Guest TheLastBoyscout Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Kerry's daughters are on assignment at a kegger. That's funny considering where BUSH'S daughters, and indeed Bush himself, have been.
Hogan Made Wrestling Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Who is Kim Jim Il? Does he sponsor the Macho Man Randy Savage by any chance?
Steviekick Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Of course China would be upset if North Korea developed weapons to use against the US. They might not be able to get the money back they loaned to Bush! China has a huge trade deficit with us. So then why is Bush so willing to take loans from them? He had money, but that all went out to Haliburton, Enron, and other needless tax refunds. Enron? Do you know what you're talking about? -=Mike Yup. They received some money out of the whole tax refund thing. And (although unrelated), the Bush Administration DID bend over backwards for them. Um, you REALLY need to read up on that. Bush did nothing to save Enron. Bush did nothing to help them. Bush was lobbied to help them (by Clinton people) and Bush refused. -=Mike But didn't they seal the papers about Cheney's 'secret energy task force' meetings with Enron?
GreatWhiteNope Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Does ANYONE honestly believe that Bush won this? Yup. -=Mike I'll call it even - but Bush looked way better than I thought he would. Props to Bush.
Guest TheLastBoyscout Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Does ANYONE honestly believe that Bush won this? Yup. -=Mike Anyone who didn't have their minds made up BEFORE it started?
BUTT Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Posted October 1, 2004 Teresa and Laura are wearing the same thing. That's quite the fashion faux pas.
{''({o..o})''} Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Pretty lackluster debate that really didn't help either candidate, but hurt Kerry less in my view.
iggymcfly Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Well, I'm as close to a neutral observer as you're likely to find, since I know that I'm not voting for Bush or Kerry, and I have to say that Kerry lost that debate badly. He basically just took potshots at Bush, and completely failed to establish his own agenda. He talks about what a terrible decision it is to be in Iraq, and then when he's asked what he'd do, he can't even make a major distinction between what Bush is doing, and what he'd do. You know how HHH's feuds are all about HHH? Well, this debate was all about Bush, and it made Kerry come off looking like a joke as a result.
Justice Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 "He was a threat... that's not the issue..." That's a very deadly statement there. It's true. Kerry's problems with Bush weren't that Saddam was a threat, he voted for War too, but HE WOULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB DISARMING IRAQ. That was his point. Whether it's true or not is a matter of opinion. Bush is going to be killed on the Domestic Issues debate if TAX GAP is his best weapon against Kerry. No. What did we learn tonight? It was the wrong war, wrong place, wrong time. If he was a threat, that means it was at least the right war. It IS an issue, you are just too dumb to realize it.
Guest BDC Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Does ANYONE honestly believe that Bush won this? Yup. -=Mike Anyone who didn't have their minds made up BEFORE it started? Did anyone believe he lost? That didn't already have their minds made up?
GreatWhiteNope Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 All the news channels are pretty much saying Bush started strong for the first half but wandered off. Even FOX.
Dr. Tyler; Captain America Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 CNN seems to be saying that nobody won.
Hogan Made Wrestling Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 CNN seems to be saying that nobody won. CNN's analysis: Novak: Bush won easily. Begala: Kerry won easily.
Steviekick Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 CNN seems to be saying that nobody won. I'd agree that no one won, but Kerry had a better than expected showing.
Vyce Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 I would agree that no one technically "won" the debate. But that, in a sense, makes Kerry something of a "winner", because this could have been the nail in his coffin that finished him as a candidate. Instead, now he just gets to continue limping forward to a defeat in November.
AndrewTS Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 This woman on C-SPAN supporting Kerry is a stupid bitch. "Bush made us less safe..." he never said that! The body armor thing is a crock, which the pro-Bush woman didn't know...
Dr. Tyler; Captain America Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Blitzer & co. are talking on CNN and they're pounding on Bush's gestures, but saying Kerry didn't do enough to dispute the flipflopper meme.
Guest BDC Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 CNN seems to be saying that nobody won. I'd agree that no one won, but Kerry had a better than expected showing. To be honest, I wouldn't have been able to guess how Kerry would do at all. He did alright, nothing jumped out at me.
GreatWhiteNope Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 MSNBC's panel wasn't watching the same debate I was. Tool #1: I think that time limit worked in Kerry's favor. Once that light came on, he buttoned right up! I'm never watching MSNBC again.
Guest MikeSC Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 I would agree that no one technically "won" the debate. But that, in a sense, makes Kerry something of a "winner", because this could have been the nail in his coffin that finished him as a candidate. Instead, now he just gets to continue limping forward to a defeat in November. However, Kerry has to make up ground, so a "tie" is not remotely what he needed. -=Mike
UZI Suicide Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 The debate was what it was, nobody really landed the "knockout shot".
CBright7831 Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 I would agree that no one technically "won" the debate. But that, in a sense, makes Kerry something of a "winner", because this could have been the nail in his coffin that finished him as a candidate. Instead, now he just gets to continue limping forward to a defeat in November. You sure about that?
AndrewTS Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 "Kerry showed his intellectual superiority over John Bush....It's appalling that he's our president." "Seemed weak and confused at Kerry's complex ideas..."
Justice Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 A draw is a loss for Kerry, imo. He has something to prove, and he certainly didn't tonight. I don't think Bush won (If he did, it wasn't convincing), but Kerry is losing ground because he didn't do anything good.
Guest TheLastBoyscout Posted October 1, 2004 Report Posted October 1, 2004 Scarborough says Kerry clearly won "on points," And since the Right Wingers here are admitting this was a "draw" the avergage moderate would say "Kerry won." Oh and Kerry didn't looked P.O'd every time Kerry got him with a zinger.
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