Is X a HOFer?

[Guest Brian]

Frank Thomas.

[alfdogg 0]

Frank Thomas should make the Hall on the first ballot. .429 career OBP. In his prime, he was nearly as feared as Barry Bonds is today.

^^^

[The Czech Republic 0]

::reads thread title::

 

Of course I am.

Not enough posts

 

Also is questionable when it comes to clutch-posting

He posted using performance-enhancing drugs.

THAT IS PREPOSTEROUS VITAMIN X HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER USE POST ENHANCING DRUGS AND TO EVEN INSINUATE SO IS AN INSULT TO THE CREDIBILITY OF THE BOARD AND ALL IT REPRESENTS

Well by using Stephen A. in a BASEBALL thread, and when you do, not mentioning the Lakers, nor saying "HOWEVER," nor typing in the biggest font possible, you're right. You're not posting on performance-enhancing drugs. You're on performance-reducing drugs.

 

 

 

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[Guest MikeSC]

I don't remember if it's been asked, but what about Jim Edmonds or Larry Walker?

-=Mike

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I don't remember if it's been asked, but what about Jim Edmonds or Larry Walker?

-=Mike

Both were asked.

 

Why must every baseball player decline the Blue Jays hat? I understand Rocket, but Dave Winfield didn't and Alomar will probably not do it either. Argh.

 

Here's an interesting one; Roger Maris.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

IIRC, Al's said he doesn't think Piazza is a HoFer, so the hat issue would be moot

 

If I'm wrong, apologies in advance to Al

Mike Piazza's been a HOFer for three years now. He's the greatest hitting catcher of all time.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

I don't remember if it's been asked, but what about Jim Edmonds or Larry Walker?

    -=Mike

Both were asked.

 

Why must every baseball player decline the Blue Jays hat? I understand Rocket, but Dave Winfield didn't and Alomar will probably not do it either. Argh.

 

Here's an interesting one; Roger Maris.

Maris no. He was only a very good player for two years, and he wasn't THAT great even then.

[treble 0]

If it means anything, I'm pretty sure that Alomar has said he wants to wear a Blue Jays hat in the Hall (if he makes it).

[snuffbox 0]

I don't remember if it's been asked, but what about Jim Edmonds or Larry Walker?

    -=Mike

Both were asked.

 

Why must every baseball player decline the Blue Jays hat? I understand Rocket, but Dave Winfield didn't and Alomar will probably not do it either. Argh.

 

Here's an interesting one; Roger Maris.

Maris no. He was only a very good player for two years, and he wasn't THAT great even then.

I think he should be voted in for 'Historical Reasons'.

[bob_barron 0]

It's the Hall of Fame.

 

Not the Hall of Pretty Good with Two Very Good Seasons

[The Czech Republic 0]

Why must every baseball player decline the Blue Jays hat? I understand Rocket, but Dave Winfield didn't and Alomar will probably not do it either. Argh.

Maybe because there are like 50 Blue Jays hats to choose from or something

[snuffbox 0]

It's the Hall of Fame.

 

Not the Hall of Pretty Good with Two Very Good Seasons

I say he should be in.

 

But, I dont get to vote for a reason...

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

OK I'll ask. Craig Biggio? And for the sake of argument, he plays 2 more years and gets to 3000 hits. He'd end up with career totals of around 270 homers, 630 doubles, 1100 RBIs, and maybe about 60 triples.

 

I'd say in, but people come up with all sorts of reasons why he shouldn't be.

[Guest Vitamin X]

::reads thread title::

 

Of course I am.

Not enough posts

 

Also is questionable when it comes to clutch-posting

He posted using performance-enhancing drugs.

THAT IS PREPOSTEROUS VITAMIN X HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER USE POST ENHANCING DRUGS AND TO EVEN INSINUATE SO IS AN INSULT TO THE CREDIBILITY OF THE BOARD AND ALL IT REPRESENTS

Well by using Stephen A. in a BASEBALL thread, and when you do, not mentioning the Lakers, nor saying "HOWEVER," nor typing in the biggest font possible, you're right. You're not posting on performance-enhancing drugs. You're on performance-reducing drugs.

 

 

 

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So, in other words, you agree with me.

 

Thanks!

 

EDIT: Forgot to defend my use of Stephen A. Smith. I used him more in a "I'M MAKING MY POINT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT AND I RULE AND YOU SUCK" kind of way rather than the typical way. Obviously the meaning was lost on you.

 

Stephen A Smith: The metaphor for hardheaded idiocy.

[moral suasion 0]

Bert Blyleven

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

OK I'll ask. Craig Biggio? And for the sake of argument, he plays 2 more years and gets to 3000 hits. He'd end up with career totals of around 270 homers, 630 doubles, 1100 RBIs, and maybe about 60 triples.

 

I'd say in, but people come up with all sorts of reasons why he shouldn't be.

In. Along with the 2,600 hits, he has a .373 career OBP. Biggio was also a superior defender, and he played the vast majority of his career in the Astrodome, which severly reduced offense. He was a fantastic percentage basestealer, and he almost never grounded into a double play. At first glance, his numbers are unimpressive. But when you put them in context, he is a clear HOFer.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Bert Blyleven

In. 287 wins, and he retired as #3 on the all time strikeout list. Plus, he was an exceptional postseason pitcher (5-1, 2.47 ERA in eight games).

[Dr. Tom 0]

Al, I'm going to hit you up with a few selections that might be unconventional...

 

Davey Johnson (as player, manager, or both)

Pat Gillick (as an executive, obv)

Jon Miller (broadcaster's wing)

[Slayer 0]

I'm not Al, but...

 

Davey Johnson the player is a definite no

 

Davey Johnson the manager is a tough call. He took 3 out of 4 teams he managed to the playoffs and won a WS, but, aside from the Mets stint (6.5 years), his tenures were very short (3 in Cincy, 2 each in Baltimore and LA), supposedly because he even makes Bill Parcells look hospitable.

 

Another thing I just noticed was that during his Mets tenure they finished 2nd in the East every year they didn't go to the postseason, which means he kept them as perenial contenders, even though it would be hard not to with that lineup (HoF catcher, possible HoF 1st baseman, eventual NL MVP, the best young hitter of the time and the best young pitcher of the time)

[Brett Favre 0]

Most probably not, but worth a shot:

 

Paul O'Neill.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Other Managers

 

Lou Pinella

Joe Torre

Bobby Cox

Jack McKeon

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

How about the poster children of the steroid age, especially in light of a "smoking gun" in the Bonds/Balco case

 

Barry Bonds

Mark McGwire

Sammy Sosa

 

Don't laugh, some say Orlando Cepeda's drug bust was the reason writers kept him out of the HOF

 

Steve

[iggymcfly 0]

I was thinking, it would be hilarious if the writers decided to keep Barry out of the Hall, just as a big fuck you for all the stuff he did over the years, and to help fuel one of his RACISM! tirades.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Al, I'm going to hit you up with a few selections that might be unconventional...

 

Davey Johnson (as player, manager, or both)

Pat Gillick (as an executive, obv)

Jon Miller (broadcaster's wing)

Davey Johnson yes. He brought EVERY team he managed into contention.

 

Gillick I'm inclined to say no. I don't want to say yes unless there's an overwhelming body of evidence to support it.

 

Jon Miller yes.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Most probably not, but worth a shot:

 

Paul O'Neill.

 

Nope.

 

Other Managers

 

Lou Pinella

Joe Torre

Bobby Cox

Jack McKeon

 

Pinella not yet, maybe someday. McKeon no. No one would have considered him before last season. Torre and Cox yes.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

How about the poster children of the steroid age, especially in light of a "smoking gun" in the Bonds/Balco case

 

Barry Bonds

Mark McGwire

Sammy Sosa

 

Don't laugh, some say Orlando Cepeda's drug bust was the reason writers kept him out of the HOF

 

Steve

In, in and in. First off, McGwire took legal supplements. Second, there is no proof linking these men to illegal steroids. Third, regardless of what they did, the wins still count in the standings. I'd have no hesitation voting them in the Hall.

 

As for Cepeda, I can think of several reasons to keep him out without mentioning drug busts.

[mike546 0]

George Steinbrener

 

Owners can be elected, right?

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

I believe so. And I do think Steinbrenner should get inducted. Beyond the rings, the Yankees are a hugely successful, profitable franchise. No team in sports has done a better job building their name like the Yankees have done over the last decade.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Jose Canseco

[Slayer 0]

I would say no to Canseco... post-Oakland, the only thing he's known for is giving up a homer off his head