alfdogg Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Frank Thomas should make the Hall on the first ballot. .429 career OBP. In his prime, he was nearly as feared as Barry Bonds is today. ^^^
The Czech Republic Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 ::reads thread title:: Of course I am. Not enough posts Also is questionable when it comes to clutch-posting He posted using performance-enhancing drugs. THAT IS PREPOSTEROUS VITAMIN X HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER USE POST ENHANCING DRUGS AND TO EVEN INSINUATE SO IS AN INSULT TO THE CREDIBILITY OF THE BOARD AND ALL IT REPRESENTS Well by using Stephen A. in a BASEBALL thread, and when you do, not mentioning the Lakers, nor saying "HOWEVER," nor typing in the biggest font possible, you're right. You're not posting on performance-enhancing drugs. You're on performance-reducing drugs. BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN
Guest MikeSC Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 I don't remember if it's been asked, but what about Jim Edmonds or Larry Walker? -=Mike
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 I don't remember if it's been asked, but what about Jim Edmonds or Larry Walker? -=Mike Both were asked. Why must every baseball player decline the Blue Jays hat? I understand Rocket, but Dave Winfield didn't and Alomar will probably not do it either. Argh. Here's an interesting one; Roger Maris.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 16, 2004 Author Report Posted October 16, 2004 IIRC, Al's said he doesn't think Piazza is a HoFer, so the hat issue would be moot If I'm wrong, apologies in advance to Al Mike Piazza's been a HOFer for three years now. He's the greatest hitting catcher of all time.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 16, 2004 Author Report Posted October 16, 2004 I don't remember if it's been asked, but what about Jim Edmonds or Larry Walker? -=Mike Both were asked. Why must every baseball player decline the Blue Jays hat? I understand Rocket, but Dave Winfield didn't and Alomar will probably not do it either. Argh. Here's an interesting one; Roger Maris. Maris no. He was only a very good player for two years, and he wasn't THAT great even then.
treble Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 If it means anything, I'm pretty sure that Alomar has said he wants to wear a Blue Jays hat in the Hall (if he makes it).
snuffbox Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 I don't remember if it's been asked, but what about Jim Edmonds or Larry Walker? -=Mike Both were asked. Why must every baseball player decline the Blue Jays hat? I understand Rocket, but Dave Winfield didn't and Alomar will probably not do it either. Argh. Here's an interesting one; Roger Maris. Maris no. He was only a very good player for two years, and he wasn't THAT great even then. I think he should be voted in for 'Historical Reasons'.
bob_barron Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 It's the Hall of Fame. Not the Hall of Pretty Good with Two Very Good Seasons
The Czech Republic Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 Why must every baseball player decline the Blue Jays hat? I understand Rocket, but Dave Winfield didn't and Alomar will probably not do it either. Argh. Maybe because there are like 50 Blue Jays hats to choose from or something
snuffbox Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 It's the Hall of Fame. Not the Hall of Pretty Good with Two Very Good Seasons I say he should be in. But, I dont get to vote for a reason...
Conspiracy_Victim Posted October 17, 2004 Report Posted October 17, 2004 OK I'll ask. Craig Biggio? And for the sake of argument, he plays 2 more years and gets to 3000 hits. He'd end up with career totals of around 270 homers, 630 doubles, 1100 RBIs, and maybe about 60 triples. I'd say in, but people come up with all sorts of reasons why he shouldn't be.
Guest Vitamin X Posted October 17, 2004 Report Posted October 17, 2004 ::reads thread title:: Of course I am. Not enough posts Also is questionable when it comes to clutch-posting He posted using performance-enhancing drugs. THAT IS PREPOSTEROUS VITAMIN X HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER USE POST ENHANCING DRUGS AND TO EVEN INSINUATE SO IS AN INSULT TO THE CREDIBILITY OF THE BOARD AND ALL IT REPRESENTS Well by using Stephen A. in a BASEBALL thread, and when you do, not mentioning the Lakers, nor saying "HOWEVER," nor typing in the biggest font possible, you're right. You're not posting on performance-enhancing drugs. You're on performance-reducing drugs. BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN So, in other words, you agree with me. Thanks! EDIT: Forgot to defend my use of Stephen A. Smith. I used him more in a "I'M MAKING MY POINT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT AND I RULE AND YOU SUCK" kind of way rather than the typical way. Obviously the meaning was lost on you. Stephen A Smith: The metaphor for hardheaded idiocy.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 17, 2004 Author Report Posted October 17, 2004 OK I'll ask. Craig Biggio? And for the sake of argument, he plays 2 more years and gets to 3000 hits. He'd end up with career totals of around 270 homers, 630 doubles, 1100 RBIs, and maybe about 60 triples. I'd say in, but people come up with all sorts of reasons why he shouldn't be. In. Along with the 2,600 hits, he has a .373 career OBP. Biggio was also a superior defender, and he played the vast majority of his career in the Astrodome, which severly reduced offense. He was a fantastic percentage basestealer, and he almost never grounded into a double play. At first glance, his numbers are unimpressive. But when you put them in context, he is a clear HOFer.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 17, 2004 Author Report Posted October 17, 2004 Bert Blyleven In. 287 wins, and he retired as #3 on the all time strikeout list. Plus, he was an exceptional postseason pitcher (5-1, 2.47 ERA in eight games).
Dr. Tom Posted October 17, 2004 Report Posted October 17, 2004 Al, I'm going to hit you up with a few selections that might be unconventional... Davey Johnson (as player, manager, or both) Pat Gillick (as an executive, obv) Jon Miller (broadcaster's wing)
Slayer Posted October 17, 2004 Report Posted October 17, 2004 I'm not Al, but... Davey Johnson the player is a definite no Davey Johnson the manager is a tough call. He took 3 out of 4 teams he managed to the playoffs and won a WS, but, aside from the Mets stint (6.5 years), his tenures were very short (3 in Cincy, 2 each in Baltimore and LA), supposedly because he even makes Bill Parcells look hospitable. Another thing I just noticed was that during his Mets tenure they finished 2nd in the East every year they didn't go to the postseason, which means he kept them as perenial contenders, even though it would be hard not to with that lineup (HoF catcher, possible HoF 1st baseman, eventual NL MVP, the best young hitter of the time and the best young pitcher of the time)
Brett Favre Posted October 17, 2004 Report Posted October 17, 2004 Most probably not, but worth a shot: Paul O'Neill.
Guest The Shadow Behind You Posted October 17, 2004 Report Posted October 17, 2004 Other Managers Lou Pinella Joe Torre Bobby Cox Jack McKeon
Steve J. Rogers Posted October 17, 2004 Report Posted October 17, 2004 How about the poster children of the steroid age, especially in light of a "smoking gun" in the Bonds/Balco case Barry Bonds Mark McGwire Sammy Sosa Don't laugh, some say Orlando Cepeda's drug bust was the reason writers kept him out of the HOF Steve
iggymcfly Posted October 17, 2004 Report Posted October 17, 2004 I was thinking, it would be hilarious if the writers decided to keep Barry out of the Hall, just as a big fuck you for all the stuff he did over the years, and to help fuel one of his RACISM! tirades.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 18, 2004 Author Report Posted October 18, 2004 Al, I'm going to hit you up with a few selections that might be unconventional... Davey Johnson (as player, manager, or both) Pat Gillick (as an executive, obv) Jon Miller (broadcaster's wing) Davey Johnson yes. He brought EVERY team he managed into contention. Gillick I'm inclined to say no. I don't want to say yes unless there's an overwhelming body of evidence to support it. Jon Miller yes.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 18, 2004 Author Report Posted October 18, 2004 Most probably not, but worth a shot: Paul O'Neill. Nope. Other Managers Lou Pinella Joe Torre Bobby Cox Jack McKeon Pinella not yet, maybe someday. McKeon no. No one would have considered him before last season. Torre and Cox yes.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 18, 2004 Author Report Posted October 18, 2004 How about the poster children of the steroid age, especially in light of a "smoking gun" in the Bonds/Balco case Barry Bonds Mark McGwire Sammy Sosa Don't laugh, some say Orlando Cepeda's drug bust was the reason writers kept him out of the HOF Steve In, in and in. First off, McGwire took legal supplements. Second, there is no proof linking these men to illegal steroids. Third, regardless of what they did, the wins still count in the standings. I'd have no hesitation voting them in the Hall. As for Cepeda, I can think of several reasons to keep him out without mentioning drug busts.
mike546 Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 George Steinbrener Owners can be elected, right?
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted October 18, 2004 Author Report Posted October 18, 2004 I believe so. And I do think Steinbrenner should get inducted. Beyond the rings, the Yankees are a hugely successful, profitable franchise. No team in sports has done a better job building their name like the Yankees have done over the last decade.
Slayer Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 I would say no to Canseco... post-Oakland, the only thing he's known for is giving up a homer off his head
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