UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2004 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1912471 I knew his bitch ass did it. The typewritten memos summarizing the interviews cited other athletes who received steroids, including many already mentioned, such as baseball's Gary Sheffield, Benito Santiago and Jason Giambi; NFL players Bill Romanowski, Dana Stubblefield, Barrett Robbins and Johnnie Morton; and track stars Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted October 31, 2004 He'll just deny it, say there's no proof, yadda yadda nothing happens until we get a photo of bonds injecting horse piss into his eyeball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Does that enable him to read the ball better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 No, to hit the ball farther. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmy no nose 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Executives from BALCO are already denying saying it. The document is just notes that were taken by government agents who interviewed them. They are saying that the agents took the notes wrong and those were just names of some of their bigger clients, not necessarily ones who used steroids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Wow! He took steriods just to walk the bases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 What I find shocking is Bonds is supposed to be this steriod using monster and yet he hasn't suffered the serious injuries of the likes of Canseco or Caminitti (rest his soul) or even suspected user Giambi. The most injury Bonds has suffered is Hamstring. Caminitti once hurt himself swinging his bat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted October 31, 2004 That's true, unless Bonds brought the good shit. Interestingly enough, he had more injuries before the supposed Steriod injected era. I'm completely willing to buy that Bonds hasn't used steroids simply for the fact he hasn't shown any traditional roid rage incidents or constant injuries or anyother generalizations that come with 'Roid usage. Why is Sammy Sosa never suspected to be a Roider anymore? He got jacked quickly, always has a temper, comes down with injuries quite often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Why is Sammy Sosa never suspected to be a Roider anymore? He got jacked quickly, always has a temper, comes down with injuries quite often. Those sneezes can be deadly...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Why is Sammy Sosa never suspected to be a Roider anymore? He got jacked quickly, always has a temper, comes down with injuries quite often. Sammy is suspected. But some of it got took off of him cause people hate SI writer Rick Reily. That is the only man at SI I really have the earn to punch square in the mouth. And SI has lots of people to hate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2004 The most injury Bonds has suffered is Hamstring. Caminitti once hurt himself swinging his bat. Have Bonds take off his armour and see how many injuries he gets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted November 1, 2004 How are a couple pads keeping him from muscle pulls and spasms, among other frequent injuries? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2004 Aw! But you see! Without his armor, Bonds is not the super-hero of baseball, but just a common mortal. Don't you see?! It's his armor that makes him into the Almighty Slugger that he is. His armor I say! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Man in Blak 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2004 Wow! He took steriods just to walk the bases. The key isn't necessarily that he took steroids (though that's certainly important in itself), but when he took them. If he took them to speed up the healing process after his knee surgery in 1999, then you can connect the dots and say that steroids dramatically enhanced his performance for 2000 (career-highs in home runs and slugging percentage) and, perhaps, even 2001 (new all-time home run record). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2004 How are a couple pads keeping him from muscle pulls and spasms, among other frequent injuries? Armoured up, he's got less fear of crowding the plate, confident that if he gets hit, it'll protect him. Pitchers are forced to pitch further outside to him, resulting in more balls which means they have to throw a strike or walk him. Take the armour off and do the same thing, and it's probably more likely that you'll get hit, as pitchers are more likely to try a brushback pitch if they think you're scared of it. Bonds strikes me as a stubborn kinda guy, so he'd dig in there no matter what, and as a result there'd be more HBP and an increase in his chances for injury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2004 The armor wouldn't prevent steroid related injuries. At all. Canseco once throw his shoulder out trying to make a throw from right field. And it wouldn't prevent muscle injuries either. The pads do nothing but prevent him from getting a fastball off his forearm. And I'm sorry, a fastball to the forearm or hand is going to cause injury to anyone on roids or not. The pads just protect him from psycho pitchers who want to hit you instead of walk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2004 The armor is an unfair advantage to Bonds and it does have a big effect on his OBP beyond protecting him from "psycho pitchers." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2004 But the point he was trying to make stands - It certainly wouldn't protect Bonds from any steroid relates injuries. Those are the type of things that would happen just taking a shower or sneezing or any other normal every day activity that your muscles just can't handle anymore because of the strain put on them by steroids. That's another reason I think Bonds is steroid free. He's seemingly never on the DL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2004 I still don't see how the armor is an unfair advantage. If it's such an advantage, other hitters should start using it. And I don't see how it even prevents a pitcher from brushing you off the plate since it's not covering his head. The only unfair advantage it seems to have is pitchers can't intentionally try to hit and hurt him. That's not an unfair advantage, that's a smart baseball player. The most injuries Bonds has had is hamstring and he heals pretty quickly from those. That tells me good physical conditioning on the part of Bonds. The guy just seems to be in shape. That's about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2004 My issue with the armor is that he hangs over the plate and takes away the inside of the plate. If any pitcher DARES to come inside on him, they hit the armor and he takes his base. Just seems kind of unfair to me, as he can hang over the plate but doesn't have to feel the consequences of being hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2004 My issue with the armor is that he hangs over the plate and takes away the inside of the plate. If any pitcher DARES to come inside on him, they hit the armor and he takes his base. Just seems kind of unfair to me, as he can hang over the plate but doesn't have to feel the consequences of being hit. MLB has looked at the armor and it's within their standards though. It's not like he's breaking a rule. Plus his shoulder, thigh, and a few other spots aren't protected by armor. There seems to be no reason the armor should be discussed. He's not breaking the rules, he has spots they can ding him to back him off and even the pitchers who have managed to back him off found out he can rip it opposite field. The guy may be a dick, but he's pound for pound the most complete player in the history of the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2004 MLB has looked at the armor and it's within their standards though. It's not like he's breaking a rule. You're absolutely right about that - it's legal according to MLB. In unrelated issues, Bud Selig continues to be commissioner and MLB still has a joke of a luxury tax system. Plus his shoulder, thigh, and a few other spots aren't protected by armor. There seems to be no reason the armor should be discussed. He's not breaking the rules, he has spots they can ding him to back him off and even the pitchers who have managed to back him off found out he can rip it opposite field. Throwing close to the shoulder is essentially verboten, since it could be construed as headhunting. And since he's not crowding the plate with his thigh, you also can't throw at it without getting a warning. So really, the only place you can throw at are his upper body and arm, and why more pitchers don't is beyond me. Maybe it's psychological. At this point in time, that has to be a factor. But the point he was trying to make stands - It certainly wouldn't protect Bonds from any steroid relates injuries. Those are the type of things that would happen just taking a shower or sneezing or any other normal every day activity that your muscles just can't handle anymore because of the strain put on them by steroids. Yep, which is why I don't equate the armour with the steroid stuff. My personal thoughts are that he took them a while back, muscled up, and doesn't take them anymore because he's just looking to maintain, not bulk up further. He'd probably get more injuries without the armour because he crowds the plate, not because he used steroids. I think I got everyone off on a tangent. Back to the steroid stuff!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
