Do the Democrats need a makeover?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Who would have thought the line by Leslie Nielsen in Naked Gun 2 1/2 would become TRUE again?

Crap, what was it -- was it during that scene when he was in the bar and they showed a picture of "Dookie-kakis"...

[Guest MikeSC]

Who would have thought the line by Leslie Nielsen in Naked Gun 2 1/2 would become TRUE again?

Crap, what was it -- was it during that scene when he was in the bar and they showed a picture of "Dookie-kakis"...

Nah. I'm actually inspired to re-watch that masterpiece to hear it.

-=Mike

"Do you realize that because of you, this city is overrun by baboons?"

"Well, isn't that the fault of the voters?"

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

OK, I think I remember that -- been a while since I've seen it...

[Guest thebigjig]

Who would have thought the line by Leslie Nielsen in Naked Gun 2 1/2 would become TRUE again?

Crap, what was it -- was it during that scene when he was in the bar and they showed a picture of "Dookie-kakis"...

Nah. I'm actually inspired to re-watch that masterpiece to hear it.

-=Mike

"Do you realize that because of you, this city is overrun by baboons?"

"Well, isn't that the fault of the voters?"

Your love of the Naked Gun movies redeems yourself in my eyes...

 

See, we CAN find common ground!

[Guest MikeSC]

The quote in question, BTW, is

"Just because you backed out of the marriage two years ago I've forgotten all about it. Ancient History. Like the Democratic Party"

-=Mike

...One of the Zuckers made an ad for Bush -- why the hell wasn't it publicized?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Yeah, that was the comedy ad with the groom kissing all the people at the wedding.

 

Hell, Zucker would never find work again if it was publicized...

[Styles 0]

Yeah, that was the comedy ad with the groom kissing all the people at the wedding.

 

Hell, Zucker would never find work again if it was publicized...

Ah, thanks! My dad mentioned last week that he saw a really funny Bush ad on TV with a groom kissing everybody at the wedding, etc. but I had never seen or heard of it.

http://clubforgrowth.net/ -only the real player link is working for me though!

Good stuff.

[Guest thebigjig]

I remember the quote at the end of the second one when Frank is giving his dramatic speech beside President Bush and he says "I wanna world where the Democrats will put someone up there worth voting for!" and Bush applauds and then does a double take

 

classic... God I wish they would make a 4th film

[teke184 0]

Who would have thought the line by Leslie Nielsen in Naked Gun 2 1/2 would become TRUE again?

Crap, what was it -- was it during that scene when he was in the bar and they showed a picture of "Dookie-kakis"...

Nah. I'm actually inspired to re-watch that masterpiece to hear it.

-=Mike

"Do you realize that because of you, this city is overrun by baboons?"

"Well, isn't that the fault of the voters?"

Your love of the Naked Gun movies redeems yourself in my eyes...

 

See, we CAN find common ground!

Attempted sexual assault with a CONCRETE DILDO?!?

 

 

Okay, it was from the first movie, but still pretty damn funny.

[Justice 0]

Who would have thought the line by Leslie Nielsen in Naked Gun 2 1/2 would become TRUE again?

Crap, what was it -- was it during that scene when he was in the bar and they showed a picture of "Dookie-kakis"...

Nah. I'm actually inspired to re-watch that masterpiece to hear it.

-=Mike

"Do you realize that because of you, this city is overrun by baboons?"

"Well, isn't that the fault of the voters?"

Your love of the Naked Gun movies redeems yourself in my eyes...

 

See, we CAN find common ground!

Attempted sexual assault with a CONCRETE DILDO?!?

 

 

Okay, it was from the first movie, but still pretty damn funny.

The funniest part of that whole thing was the smile that developed on the Statue's face. But that is an excellent line.

[Special K 0]

That whole scene is comic mastery. The look on Nielson's face as he stumbles through the window, then realizes what he has and hides it behind his back are PRICELESS.

 

I suspect the first movie gained new life when people realized it had about half an hour of O.J. getting smacked around.

[MrRant 0]

Bah. The funniest thing involving OJ was clearly on Dragnet when Joe and Gannon were talking to a bunch of black guys about joining the force and low and behold in one of the desks towards the back was OJ interested in being a cop.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

Okay, to clarify my previous point:

 

The us vs. them mentality comes into play when discussing things such as "the liberal media." Lets use my mother in law as a demonstration: "Hey Kim, I read the other day that George W. Bush has a penchant for swearing. What do YOU think about that?" My Mother In Law-"What? That's ridiculous! They'll say anything to make him look bad." They being the liberal media. If you turn the situation around and place Kerry instead of Bush, this is the reply: "I'm not surprised. Democrats are horrible like that. You know, Kerry is anti-God."

 

I actually had this conversation with her. I told her the Bush thing, which came from US News and World Report, and a week later switched the candidate. When it comes to a lot of Christians, if you tell them that you're with them, they'll believe most anything you say.

 

 

To continue on with the topic of the thread, I believe that a lot of what has been said about Kerry in this thread is true for the whole party. Specifically that the Democrats have allowed the Republicans to define them. Basically, the Republicans have been aggressive and unrepentant about it, and the Democrats have stood still.

[Guest MikeSC]

The better question is --- why do you think Bush swearing is anything resembling important?

-=Mike

[Special K 0]

And from that big story on MSNBC following the Kerrys on the road, Kerry drops the F-Bomb all the time. No Big Deal. I would say the vast majority of Americans swear.

The only time I thought it was ridiculous was Cheney telling whomever to fuck himself on the Senate floor. I swear like a sailor when I'm out with friends, but I don't curse at the workplace. That's just stupid.

[Guest MikeSC]

And from that big story on MSNBC following the Kerrys on the road, Kerry drops the F-Bomb all the time. No Big Deal. I would say the vast majority of Americans swear.

The only time I thought it was ridiculous was Cheney telling whomever to fuck himself on the Senate floor. I swear like a sailor when I'm out with friends, but I don't curse at the workplace. That's just stupid.

It's Pat Leahy. Everybody should tell him to go fuck off.

-=Mike

...He's about as pleasant as McCarthy was...

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

The better question is --- why do you think Bush swearing is anything resembling important?

-=Mike

Because he claims the moral high ground and says he has values -- LIAR...

[Guest MikeSC]

The better question is --- why do you think Bush swearing is anything resembling important?

        -=Mike

Because he claims the moral high ground and says he has values -- LIAR...

John Kerry swore, and it shocked me.

 

I always thought he was one of those animatronic robots.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

He was programmed to say it.

 

Christ, when he said "Can I get me a huntin' license?" he stuttered midway throught the line, like he had it memorized...

[TheBigSwigg 0]

The better question is --- why do you think Bush swearing is anything resembling important?

        -=Mike

Because he claims the moral high ground and says he has values -- LIAR...

Here's the thing, I don't think swearing is bad. I know that it's a result of the Victorian culture and I don't agree with the logic connected to it. But my family, both sides, and a portion of "Conservative Christians" do think it's wrong, or pretend to. I don't quite know why, but they find it somewhere equivalent to murder and blasphemy.

[jesse_ewiak 0]

I don't get why anybody is thinking that the Democrat's are dead and buried. Let's look at the facts...

 

Well, 1% more than 50% is not a mandate but a bare, thin, majority. Remember, this is the first election since '88 w/ no real 3rd party presence. I expected whoever won to get over 50%.

 

But, if you told someone around 11-11-01, that Bush would barely win reelection you'd be laughed at. Bush blew a guaranteed ten-fifteen point win and a LBJ-like landslide.

 

After all, assuming Bush gets New Mexico and Iowa, he will have gotten the lowest percentage of electoral votes (54%) of any incumbent running for reelection since Wilson. If those two states should swing Kerry's way out of a electoral miracle, it'll be even lower.

 

He will have won with the lowest percentage of the popular vote (51%) of any incumbent running for reelection since Truman...OK Clinton, but again...Perot.

 

He will have won by the lowest margin of the popular vote (3.5M) of any incumbent running for reelection since Truman (2.1M, and back then only 50M voted).

 

He will have won the three states that put him over 270 (OH, NM and IA) by abotu 175k combined.

 

A win...sure. Mandate? Nah. It'll be a 50/50 election in 2008.

[The Czech Republic 0]

The better question is --- why do you think Bush swearing is anything resembling important?

         -=Mike

Because he claims the moral high ground and says he has values -- LIAR...

Here's the thing, I don't think swearing is bad. I know that it's a result of the Victorian culture and I don't agree with the logic connected to it. But my family, both sides, and a portion of "Conservative Christians" do think it's wrong, or pretend to. I don't quite know why, but they find it somewhere equivalent to murder and blasphemy.

Hey, swearing has its time and place. It's a matter of when you use it.

[teke184 0]

Anyone who talks about how Bush "barely won a slim majority" needs to remember that the press were all over him and that various members of the press have said that they were worth 15% to Kerry's effort.

[Guest MikeSC]

I don't get why anybody is thinking that the Democrat's are dead and buried. Let's look at the facts...

 

Well, 1% more than 50% is not a mandate but a bare, thin, majority. Remember, this is the first election since '88 w/ no real 3rd party presence. I expected whoever won to get over 50%.

 

But, if you told someone around 11-11-01, that Bush would barely win reelection you'd be laughed at. Bush blew a guaranteed ten-fifteen point win and a LBJ-like landslide.

 

After all, assuming Bush gets New Mexico and Iowa, he will have gotten the lowest percentage of electoral votes (54%) of any incumbent running for reelection since Wilson. If those two states should swing Kerry's way out of a electoral miracle, it'll be even lower.

 

He will have won with the lowest percentage of the popular vote (51%) of any incumbent running for reelection since Truman...OK Clinton, but again...Perot.

 

He will have won by the lowest margin of the popular vote (3.5M) of any incumbent running for reelection since Truman (2.1M, and back then only 50M voted).

 

He will have won the three states that put him over 270 (OH, NM and IA) by abotu 175k combined.

 

A win...sure. Mandate? Nah. It'll be a 50/50 election in 2008.

First majority in 16 years. And, ironically enough, when you don't have a 3rd party taking votes from the GOP, the Dems don't seem able to win elections.

 

Hold on to your misconceptions and theories.

-=Mike

[jesse_ewiak 0]

Mike, it was also the first election since '88 not to have a major 3rd party candidate. Whoever won was going to get 50%+1. Perot in '96 and Nader in '00 weren't exactly like Perot's run in '92, but they still drew enough to make the win a pularity.

 

Second of all, those are the plain facts. Not rationalizations, but the simple numbers. Yes, your side won. But it wasn't some huge victory. It was a lousy 3%. Closest race period outside of 2000 since 1976 and the closest with an incumbent involved since Truman. You got the fundies out to vote their hate and they outnumbered the lazy college kids. That's all.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Second of all, those are the plain facts. Not rationalizations, but the simple numbers. Yes, your side won. But it wasn't some huge victory. It was a lousy 3%. Closest race period outside of 2000 since 1976 and the closest with an incumbent involved since Truman.

holy qualifying statements batman

 

You got the fundies out to vote their hate and they outnumbered the lazy college kids. That's all.

holy sweeping generalizations batman

[Justice 0]

Why the hell does everyone think the youth didn't turn out? Turn out increased all around, even the youth. Problem is, everyone with sense overrules a bunch of college kids.

[The Czech Republic 0]

BUT WE'RE THE FUTURE OF AMERICA

 

HAHA MORE LIKE AMERIKKKA FAUXNEWSLOL2004

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I was wondering when jesse would show up.

 

Mike, it was also the first election since '88 not to have a major 3rd party candidate.

 

Yeah, the Democrats made sure of that...

[TheBigSwigg 0]

Why the hell does everyone think the youth didn't turn out? Turn out increased all around, even the youth. Problem is, everyone with sense overrules a bunch of college kids.

Actually, it's like everyone who wanted a state constitutional amendment against gay marriage overruled the bunch of college kids.