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Guest Cerebus
I thought it was mildly amusing the way he spelt it. I didn't bother reading the post though.

 

I hate to be whiny bitch, but could you reduce the size of your signature, Cerebus? It stretches the screen.

Done and done.

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Brother will kill brother

Spilling blood across the land

Killing for religion

Something I don't understand

 

Fools like me, who cross the sea

And come to foreign lands

Ask the sheep, for their beliefs

Do you kill on God's command?

 

A country that's divided

Surely will not stand

My past erased, no more disgrace

No foolish naive stand

 

The end is near, it's crystal clear

Part of the master plan

Don't look now to Israel

It might be in your homelands

 

Holy wars

 

Upon my podium, as the

Know it all scholar

Down in my seat of judgement

Gavel's bang, uphold the law

Up on my soapbox, a leader

Out to change the world

Down in my pulpit as the holier

Than-thou-could-be-messenger of God

 

Wage the war on organized crime

Sneak attacks, repel down the rocks

Behind the lines

Some people risk to employ me

Some people live to destroy me

Either way they die.

 

They killed my wife, and my baby

With hopes to enslave me

First mistake...last mistake!

Paid by the alliance, to slay all the giants

Next mistake...no more mistakes!

 

Fill the cracks in, with judicial granite

Because I don't say it, don't mean I ain't

Thinkin'it

Next thing you know, they'll take my thoughts away

I know what I said, now I must scream of the overdose

And the lack of mercy killings.

 

Megadeth: Holy Wars

 

That's my contribution to the allready dead and repeated topic of this discussion.

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Guest MikeSC
My view in itself does not agree with any American govt. beleif. America views Israel as a country while viewing Palestein as a terrorist state. That alone speaks alot about America and its land stealing ways.

 

 

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The whole state-sponsoring of terrorism thing is a BIT hard for most people to overlook.

 

Just sayin'.

 

I COULD mention that PA textbooks don't even reference Israel as EXISTING. I COULD mention the undeniable ties between Arafat and the intifada attacks. I could suggest you go to MEMRI.org and look at what Palestinians are ACTUALLY saying, considering that Arafat's English statements and Arabic statements tended to be dramatically different.

 

I could, but I'm not about to reply more than once a month here and beating my head on a brick wall is not my idea of fun.

 

If you wish to believe that Palestine is the peaceful one, so be it. Palestinians actually had it BETTER when Israel governed them than they did while under the thumb of the PA.

 

Also, just to note, the Jews had the land before Muhammad banged his first child or suggested slaughtering of any infidel. They had it stolen from them first.

Let me have a chance to explain before the "patriots" of America come out and decide to attack me for my beleifs. I will lay it out simple, and keep it so during this entire post.

Can I attack your rather poor spelling? I mean, it IS pretty darned bad.

In World War Two, as we all know the Holocaust caused millions of jews to die.

You know who denies that?

 

The PA.

It was mass genocide, a slaughter. Great Britain at that time was a rapidly declining power, still strong in politics, however militarily they were weak.

No, Great Britain was HARDLY weak. They were just horrendously over-extended.

After this tragedy they decided, "Hey, lets make up for there losses by presenting them with a country....A homeland."

Amazing, since it was actually proposed following World War I.

 

And the Arabs SUPPORTED it at the time.

 

Read up on the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement of 1919.

 

Or don't. I'm not sure reality would slow you down.

The Zion movement which took place during the 20's, 30's and 40's became a reality as Zion...Or Israel became an independent country- But wait a second? Didn't Palestein own the land? Didn't they own there country?

Umm, no. Britain and France owned pretty much all of the territory in the Middle East after the Ottoman Empire collapsed. Not Palestinians.

 

Really, read up on history.

This conflict led to a much larger conflict as the day Israel became a 'country' they were attacked by neighboring countrys in protest.

Wow, using quotes to call Israel a country? Cute.

Israel battled back and advanced with western technology supplied by America and GB, they easily won. Literally, Israel stole there land from Palestein, and as far as the western democracys saw it, Palestein was the terrorists and Israel was the great 'country.'

Can you explain how a country WINNING a war is the same as "stealing" land? The Arab states attacked and lost. Going with the entire history of mankind, the land lost by the Arabs is no longer their land.

Bullshit. Utter and comeplete BS.

Well, it definitely explains your Hitler fixation.

This is just ANOTHER reason for the Middle East to hate the Western World, it certantly wasnt the first and it certantly wont be the last.

Supporting a country that wins a war where it was attacked by a far larger enemy is now bad?

My view is very strong, the facts are evident. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, France and Great Britain stole the Middle East and divided it into seperate mandates- Which they had no right to do.

Actually, they did. The Ottomans gave them the land after losing World War I.

 

You might want to study a LITTLE bit of history, seeing as how countries that lose wars tend to lose land is a pretty consistent little factoid.

They then gave away land that they stole, to others- Which they had no right to do.

In simple terms --- gaining land by winning wars isn't "stealing". It's history.

 

And the Jews had the land stolen from them many, many years ago. Thus, THEY had more claim to the land than anybody else.

The people who occupied the land which was stolen and there terrorist faction (Israel) then launched a campaign to wipe out Palestein.

To give you a hint: If Israel wanted to wipe out Palestine, they could rather easily pull it off. If Israel wanted to conquer the entire Middle East --- they could pull that off rather easily, too.

 

You also seem to ignore that Israel TRIED to make peace, and Arafat refused in 2000. Hell, Arafat PLANNED to violate the Oslo accords from the start.

Israel lost to Rome.

Or, in Jason-land, had their land stolen.

Israel lost to Palestein. Israel lost in Spain, Israel lost in Germany.

I suppose you can actually refer to what the hell you're talking about.

 

Unless you mean "Israel lost Germany" via the Holocaust. In which case, I can only hope somebody spackles your mother's birth canal closed to prevent a second genetic mistake to eminate from her womb.

Israel lost everywhere, whose to say that they even DESERVE a homeland?

Hmm, the Arabs have lost to Israel, constantly, for 60 years. I suppose Israel deserves ALL of the Middle East.

This topic just enrages me, imagine it was something you loved. Like your pet, or your family. Imagine at one point someone else claimed that your family wasn't your family and imagine that your family then 'belonged' to that other person.

Imagine if your mother told all of the young people to kill you.

 

Imagine if your mother ALSO spread KNOWN lies and blatant forgeries (Protocols of the Elders of Zion isn't exactly unpopular over there).

 

Imagine if your mother gave money to your brothers to blow you up, knowing you wouldn't actually kill them because they were children.

 

Hell, the Palestinians are crueler to their kids than the friggin' Hitler Youth --- which takes more than a little doing. The Palestinians teach their kids that the ONLY value they hold is to kill themselves (yet, the elders who run the country don't do the same themselves. Bizarre).

You could plea with the govt. to help, but they side with the theif. Utterly and completly frustrating.

Umm, the US is the ONLY country supporting Israel. The UN abandoned Israel from the get-go.

Now don't get me wrong, im not a bigot

Yeah, you are.

im not a racist and im not intolerant to other peoples cultures.

Said the guy who said that because Israel lost a bunch of wars that nobody is aware of, they don't deserve a homeland.

 

You know, the Palestinians could EASILY be taken in by a wide number of their "supportive" Arab states --- but none of them want that.

 

There is a reason.

I joke about each of those things from time to time, but deep down I have no true prejiduces.

You have no problem with Hitler. You hate the Jews. You hate the English language.

However, theivery at this magnitude gets to me.

Thanks, Yasser.

Israel does not, will not, and will NEVER have the right to exist as long as they occupy stolen land.

Wow, they have no right to EXIST?

 

Wow.

 

That's some nice non-racist, non-predjudiced commentary there.

 

If you only threw in a few more inane comments, I'd think you were Cerebus.

-=Mike

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Mike's back already?!?

he was for a hot second. He probably smelled my liberalism sneaking up and took off....

Dude, your liberalism doesn't sneak up on anyone. I can smell that shit when browsing in LSD.

 

Well Mike's vacation from TSM lasted longer than I thought it would, or was this just a "drive-by SC"?

 

If you only threw in a few more inane comments, I'd think you were Cerebus.

 

Uh-oh...

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Guest Cerebus
If you only threw in a few more inane comments, I'd think you were Cerebus.

-=Mike

Oh Mike you delightful bastard. It's not MY fault you can't figure out arithmetic.

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If you only threw in a few more inane comments, I'd think you were Cerebus.

          -=Mike

Oh Mike you delightful bastard. It's not MY fault you can't figure out arithmetic.

 

NM...

 

 

I think someone message Mike about this inane thread. It reeked of badness that Mike had to come back.

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He's BACKKKKKKK~!!!!!!! And better than ever, he's got a KNACKKKKK for making things better, Face FACTSSSSS, your opinion don't MATTERRRRRRRR........

 

Ok, I'll stop! :P

 

Welcome back Mike. I honestly grew disinterested in this forum in your abscence and hope you stick around.

 

Oh, and I think Mike was COMPLIMENTING Cerebus. Read it again, he was sarcastically saying that Jason was so not biased and impartial that he mistaked him for cerebus...

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Guest Cerebus
I'll stay out of the collective circlejerking over MikeSC, thanks.

 

"Oh my god! He said Toronto!"

L to the OL (2004~!)

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Guest sek69

Every time I see the title of this thread, all I can think of is how much it would suck to be a jewish person named Herb Palestein.

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Guest Cerebus

Every time I see the title of this thread, all I can think of is how much it would suck to have this Jason asshole stick around.

 

Or Mike.

 

:P

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Guest sek69

At this point I can't tell if Jason's a gimmick or if he's really that misinformed on every topic.

 

After the Hitler topic I was thinking gimmick, but after he wrote novel length posts (full of errors) in several other forums he's gotta be just misinformed. A gimmick poster wouldn't put as much effort into his posts as Jason does.

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It's 2005, hippie.

 

Oh, and I think Mike was COMPLIMENTING Cerebus...

 

He was?...

Unless there is some feud between cerebus and mike that I am unaware of, I think so:

 

That's some nice non-racist, non-predjudiced commentary there.

 

If you only threw in a few more inane comments, I'd think you were Cerebus.

 

in other words, cerebus is a non-racist, non prejudiced poster who makes the occasional inane comment, and he was being sarcastic in his comparison. At least that's how I took it. It's too bad Mike's not sticking around to clear this up for us, leaving us to sit here and speculate!

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