Dandy 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 3 Man Commentary Teams are not Death, See, Schiavone, Heenan, and Tenay 1996-1998. Are you shitting me? Tony Schiavone sucked from 1993-on. Bobby Heenan was in serious cruise control mode. Mike Tenay was the only bright spot. And whats the hard on for Chris Nowinski? I can guarantee that if he came back for a few months, everyone would be tired of him and wish he were stuck doing Heat duty again. Never said I had a hard-on for him. He's a person that WWE currently employs that cannot wrestle at this point. He speaks well and would be a fresh commentator. If I were to have fantasy picks, he wouldn't be one of them. I was just trying to be realistic and shape the clay I was given. Wasn't directed towards anyone specific, just in general. Lot of comments lately about how great Nowinski is. If I wanted a genius talking smart on PBP, I'd write a letter to Vince about hiring back The Genius (Lanny Poffo). I wouldn't have him come off as condescending and over-the-top "I'm from Harvard!" I would just simply let him add a little color and point out when the face is doing something heelish or when the heel is right about something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 7, 2005 I could see him being on a B-Show, but I think seniority in wrestling in general or WWE is what makes you a RAW and/or SD commentator. Jim Ross - been around for several decades. Lawler - Ditto Cole - Became SD commentator when they really had no one else, been around for 6 years and don't recall him ever not doing Smackdown. Tazz - Took over for Lawler due to retirement from in ring competition. Been around for 14-15 years in wrestling. Coach - Always the go-ahead for a replacement on RAW, and has been with WWE for over 5 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 True, but look at the alternatives. You've got Grisham, Ivory, Lita......not exactly the Dom Perignon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kizzo 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 3 Man Commentary Teams are not Death, See, Schiavone, Heenan, and Tenay 1996-1998. Or the 3 team of.... Bobby Heenan...Eric Bischoff....and that over dude who had that dog with him... I'm a big fan of a 3 man commentary team..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 3 Man Commentary Teams are not Death, See, Schiavone, Heenan, and Tenay 1996-1998. Or the 3 team of.... Bobby Heenan...Eric Bischoff....and that over dude who had that dog with him... That guy with the dog would be Steve "Mongo" McMichael, widely considered one of the worst announcers in WCW (or any wrestling promotion really) ever. Also looked at as one of the worst Horsemen as well, with maybe only Paul Roma being worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 I liked JR, Heenan & Savage for the short time they were around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest uyaljg Report post Posted January 7, 2005 Raven, Josh Matthews, and Coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kizzo 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 That guy with the dog would be Steve "Mongo" McMichael, widely considered one of the worst announcers in WCW (or any wrestling promotion really) ever. Also looked at as one of the worst Horsemen as well, with maybe only Paul Roma being worse. Thanks for the info... I didn't mind him....with Bischoff and Heenan part of the team...he wasn't too big of a problem.. I liked JR, Heenan & Savage for the short time they were around. I heard them a couple of times....seemed like they had good chemistry together.. As for the current teams...they all need to be dumped or need to be revamped..... J.R. and King must go......if they must keep J.R. he needs someone like Heyman teaming up with him... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 JR can be saved. He did well with Tazz at the Rumble last year. He isn't what he used to be regardless, but I think a large part of his problem is that Lawler drags him down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 7, 2005 True, but look at the alternatives. You've got Grisham, Ivory, Lita......not exactly the Dom Perignon. Don't forget Mark Loyd (Yes, he's employed still) in After Burn hell, and Steve Parmesian taking over for Bill Demott on Velocity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Niggardly King 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 I'd actually like to see a Regal and Nowinski team. I think they would gel well together. Hell, I just wanna see Regal make the transition of wrestler to color commentator once he retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myxamatosis 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 JR can be saved. He did well with Tazz at the Rumble last year. He isn't what he used to be regardless, but I think a large part of his problem is that Lawler drags him down. How exactly does a commentator "lose his edge," so to say, especially with someone as skilled as J.R. I think the bad commentary is reflective of the product, rather than the announcers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 JR can be saved. He did well with Tazz at the Rumble last year. He isn't what he used to be regardless, but I think a large part of his problem is that Lawler drags him down. How exactly does a commentator "lose his edge," so to say, especially with someone as skilled as J.R. I think the bad commentary is reflective of the product, rather than the announcers. Sometimes you just get tired of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 3 Man Commentary Teams are not Death, See, Schiavone, Heenan, and Tenay 1996-1998. Where's Dusty in that mix? Without him, we wouldn't have had those classic one-liners from the GAB 96 bathroom brawl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 I'd actually like to see a Regal and Nowinski team. I think they would gel well together. Hell, I just wanna see Regal make the transition of wrestler to color commentator once he retires. We had that in 02 against Bubba and Spike. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 I liked JR, Heenan & Savage for the short time they were around. The only problem I had with them is the constant stupid bickering between Savage and Heenan, with JR being the only one talking about the match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 True, but look at the alternatives. You've got Grisham, Ivory, Lita......not exactly the Dom Perignon. What's Scott Hudson up to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 7, 2005 True, but look at the alternatives. You've got Grisham, Ivory, Lita......not exactly the Dom Perignon. What's Scott Hudson up to? Selling pencils on street corners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted January 7, 2005 I loved the JR/McMahon/Lawler trio. Drastically under rated. Vince isn't doing nething, since steph and shane and Trips are running the company now pretty much, reunite the Vince/JR deal. One great commentary duo that gets drastically underlooked is the one night only Hart/JR/McMahon trio @ KOTR1996. Right now I love CM Punk's Commentary... I'd do this for the shows Heyman/Cole on Smackdown (They can censor Heyman there) Tazz/Matthews on Raw Coach solos Heat Cole/other guy on Velocity. Send Lawler home and book him for the Memphis shows for Dark Matches. JR is done...however for WrestleMania Main Events and a few rare occasions, JR does special guest commetary if they are going for a "this is a major match" aura. I'd love to see Ventura back but that isn't happening unless Vince wants to pay an commentator over a million. I'd Love to see Scott Levy stop being a prick and go back to WWE and be a commentator and stop thinking he's a god in the ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blade2kxx 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 I'd Love to see Scott Levy stop being a prick and go back to WWE and be a commentator and stop thinking he's a god in the ring. Raven's still under TNA contract... I think for at least a year. Anyway, why would he come back when the company fucked him over so much? Oh, and about the commentary: JR/Coach/Tazz - RAW Cole/Heyman - SD Matthews/Whatshisface - Velocity Snow/Nowinski I guess - HeAt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 True, but look at the alternatives. You've got Grisham, Ivory, Lita......not exactly the Dom Perignon. What's Scott Hudson up to? My point was that we were dealing with what WWE had on their current payroll. That is why I used Nowinski and had them as the "alternatives." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 - RAW did a 3.4 rating this week off hours of 3.2 and 3.5. The rating is viewed as a disappointment due to this being the first week since Monday Night Football ended, as well as the high profile Triple H vs. Randy Orton match that headlined the show. Will WWE finally realize that Orton is nothing more than a failure? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 - RAW did a 3.4 rating this week off hours of 3.2 and 3.5. The rating is viewed as a disappointment due to this being the first week since Monday Night Football ended, as well as the high profile Triple H vs. Randy Orton match that headlined the show. Will WWE finally realize that Orton is nothing more than a failure? Wait, they dropped by .4 or a .5 and lo and behold, the entire 'disappointing' number drop is proof that Randy Orton sucks? Don't get me wrong, you may be right. But you're not basing it on any fact except that 'Orton sucks and I don't like him'. Unless, you mean that it was his fault because he was the focal point in the main event. In which case, surely, JBL was responsible for the surprisingly good Armageddon buy-rate? I'm sure you'd disagree. And how exactly was HHH/Orton high-profile? High-profile would be at least a week's hype, like Benoit/Michaels or Trish/Lita. HHH/Orton as the main event was totally interchangable with Benoit/Batista and Y2J/Edge. All only made as a quick, easy way to hype the Chamber match. Like someone else here said, call me when it's a 2 or a 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 I'm still waiting for someone to post what rating Orton vs HHH had. That was the purpose of this thread, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 Well, tv ratings are a strange thing when it comes to stuff like this. The wwe probably tests things out like this for the Mania main event. I think they did this starting with 1998 by having Rock/Austin on free television the night after Rock won his first title. I'm sure that did not do huge numbers compared to the weeks that followed. I think that is the key as that match ended up being the biggest buy-rate headliner in WM history a few months later. An important part to look at is the intensity of the match. Rock/Austin had PLENTY of that during that free tv match. In 2000, the wwe gave away the advertised WM main event for a Chicago raw in the weeks building up to Mania and I think that was "disappointing" too, but Mania still did big business that year. Again, the actual heat for the match in the arena was really hot. Austin/Rock's feud was not doing big numbers tv wise heading into WM 17 either, but it was still a big match. Orton/HHH just seemed to be missing something and I think it could be that people actually want to see Batista/HHH more. Batista seems like the kick-ass monster that needs to hand Trips his ass, while Orton is coming off too much like a college pretty boy who is in there because of his family trying to look cute against Trips who has established himself as THE prick of raw. It's just not meshing because of how they handled this thing from the beginning and hopefully they don't do this damn match for Mania which people back in September were saying wasn't Mania main event worthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 True, but look at the alternatives. You've got Grisham, Ivory, Lita......not exactly the Dom Perignon. What's Scott Hudson up to? Where are Lee Marshall and Mark Madden? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2005 Well, tv ratings are a strange thing when it comes to stuff like this. The wwe probably tests things out like this for the Mania main event. I think they did this starting with 1998 by having Rock/Austin on free television the night after Rock won his first title. I'm sure that did not do huge numbers compared to the weeks that followed. I think that is the key as that match ended up being the biggest buy-rate headliner in WM history a few months later. An important part to look at is the intensity of the match. Rock/Austin had PLENTY of that during that free tv match. In 2000, the wwe gave away the advertised WM main event for a Chicago raw in the weeks building up to Mania and I think that was "disappointing" too, but Mania still did big business that year. Again, the actual heat for the match in the arena was really hot. Austin/Rock's feud was not doing big numbers tv wise heading into WM 17 either, but it was still a big match. I remember that Austin vs Rock match you're mentioning, and it did huge numbers at the time, perhaps the highest rated cable TV match up until that time, so I think you may be wrong here. The crowd was going ballistic and the heat was enormous. WMXV did huge buyrates for sure, but WMX-7 I think eclipsed that both buyrate-wise and box-office-wise. The lead to that you could feel at the 2001 Royal Rumble when Austin and Rock were two of the last men remaining, and the crowd went absolutely nuts. I don't seem to remember that RAW Chicago match you're mentioning prior to WM2000. Was it Rock vs HHH or what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blade2kxx 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 Well, tv ratings are a strange thing when it comes to stuff like this. The wwe probably tests things out like this for the Mania main event. I think they did this starting with 1998 by having Rock/Austin on free television the night after Rock won his first title. I'm sure that did not do huge numbers compared to the weeks that followed. I think that is the key as that match ended up being the biggest buy-rate headliner in WM history a few months later. An important part to look at is the intensity of the match. Rock/Austin had PLENTY of that during that free tv match. In 2000, the wwe gave away the advertised WM main event for a Chicago raw in the weeks building up to Mania and I think that was "disappointing" too, but Mania still did big business that year. Again, the actual heat for the match in the arena was really hot. Austin/Rock's feud was not doing big numbers tv wise heading into WM 17 either, but it was still a big match. I remember that Austin vs Rock match you're mentioning, and it did huge numbers at the time, perhaps the highest rated cable TV match up until that time, so I think you may be wrong here. The crowd was going ballistic and the heat was enormous. WMXV did huge buyrates for sure, but WMX-7 I think eclipsed that both buyrate-wise and box-office-wise. The lead to that you could feel at the 2001 Royal Rumble when Austin and Rock were two of the last men remaining, and the crowd went absolutely nuts. I don't seem to remember that RAW Chicago match you're mentioning prior to WM2000. Was it Rock vs HHH or what? Rock vs. HHH vs. Big Show to be precise... and I remember that match too and it wasn't THAT bad. The Foley surprise overshadowed the actual match though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 The lead to that you could feel at the 2001 Royal Rumble when Austin and Rock were two of the last men remaining, and the crowd went absolutely nuts. Two points: First, relating to the above post. Rock/Austin was something that crowds went batshit for when they saw, even a month earlier during the 6-man Hell in the Cell match when they went face to face and hammered on each other. I don't see anything near that level of excitement from audiences when Orton and HHH are in each others' grilles. I still think it could possibly be salvaged, but it would require dropping the awesome Batista stuff they're doing now and put the focus squarely on HHH's problems with Orton rather than his own in-group problems. It's just impossible manufacture that kind of heat for a confrontation, as they've been trying to do. The crowd really has to want it badly for you to make it your Wrestlemania centerpiece for your flagship TV program. Second: Orton/HHH just seemed to be missing something and I think it could be that people actually want to see Batista/HHH more. Batista seems like the kick-ass monster that needs to hand Trips his ass, while Orton is coming off too much like a college pretty boy who is in there because of his family trying to look cute against Trips who has established himself as THE prick of raw. It's just not meshing because of how they handled this thing from the beginning and hopefully they don't do this damn match for Mania which people back in September were saying wasn't Mania main event worthy. Prick v. Prick doesn't work. Rock was a big-time prick, but Austin was a guy who just always looked out for himself and every now and then would do the noble deed of some kind (ie. saving Stephanie from the Undertaker sacrifice/wedding 2-for-1 special). Orton's just a dick, and HHH is the dick we're supposed to hate. There's no real difference other than perhaps one being more arrogant and the other being more malicious. Crowds, especially now that they're worn down to the hardcore fans not dissimilar to us, see no reason to be excited about this, especially now that they've seen it twice. If anything, the Orton push needs to be dialed down just a tad (don't drop him off of main event level or anything) and reload for a good SummerSlam program. Just keep Orton (since this is who they're banking on to be one of their massive new stars to jump-start things in 97/98) away from his big opponents until the time is right, and please tweak things a little bit so he's not just some prettyboy Austin/Rock/generic face wannabe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2005 Will the "After the PPV" hype move the rating up to 4.0 for Raw next week? Depends who wins the Main Event. Triple H throws another party for himself to celebrate a title win = money. (Monopoly money that is.) $100 for passing Go? Canadian or American dollars? Australian. Remember the RAW before SurSer, when Rock called Austin out. The place just went nuts. Even my parents, who hate wrestling, notice that and thought that that segment was great. Scott Hudson is backstage interviewer with TNA. I would love to have Austin on commentary. Orton needed and still needs time. His better as a heel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
