the max 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2005 Eagles are on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week... just saying... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2005 Eagles are on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week... just saying... The SI curse is nonsense. Sports Illustrated prints 52 issues a year. Of course some of the athletes and teams featured on the cover will fall to some misfortune. And considering the Patriots opened as favorites anyway, its hard to blame an Eagles loss on the SI curse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2005 I think the decision should ultimately be up to TO. He has been in the league, what 8 years now? He just has to ask himself, would it be worth risking his career, even if the Eagles lose and he either has to retire due to screwing up his ankle even more, but then on the other hand, could he live with himself if the Eagles are in position to win on like the final drive, and the WRs can't shake the defenders, and he is on the sideline..... It is a risk/reward dilemma. No, it should be up to Andy Reid. He's the coach of the team and it is up to him to decide whether it is worth risking the career of his star WR and whether he is healthy enough to actually make a difference on the field anyways. The SI curse is nonsense. Sports Illustrated prints 52 issues a year. Of course some of the athletes and teams featured on the cover will fall to some misfortune. And considering the Patriots opened as favorites anyway, its hard to blame an Eagles loss on the SI curse. Its all in good fun. Kind of like the old Babe Ruth curse. I don't think any sane person truly believes in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2005 From the man himself: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/n...tory?id=1977199 Looks like the thread title is a moot point now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2005 From the man himself: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/n...tory?id=1977199 Looks like the thread title is a moot point now. Again, it is Reid's decision, not TO's, and previously he has said that he wouldn't let him play without clearance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2005 True. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Gecko Report post Posted January 29, 2005 This whole Owens thing seems like a deception to me. I mean, if there was any question of a player not playing, wouldn't you want to opposing team to assume you AREN'T playing, so they under prepare for you. The fact that TO is coming out infront of random media and saying stuff like "They thought it would never happen, but I'm back baby" seems kind of strange. But even if they ARE trying to convince the Patriots that TO is playing and he really isn't, that doesn't make much sense to me either. The whole situation just seems sort of strange to me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2005 The whole situation just seems sort of strange to me... TO's an attention whore, and wants to risk his career on playing one game where he will be the focus of the media attention. Seems kind of straightforward to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted January 30, 2005 TO needs to sit his ass down. He'll fuck up his chances of playing next year if he hurts himself again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 TO needs to sit his ass down. He'll fuck up his chances of playing next year if he hurts himself again. He doesn't care. The Super Bowl is the big time, and he might never get back. It is the job of the Eagles to tell him they can't afford a career ending injury and need him next year. If Reid lets him play, he is making a big mistake. His job depends on more than just one game. If TO shatters his leg in a game that they probably won't win anyways, and the Eagles go 7-9 next year, is Reid going to be in a good position? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Well if Reid gets fired for ONE thing, it's being responsible for the ending of TO's career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Why in the fuck would you fire Reid for that? The man has had an incredible run in Philly, the best in the NFL over the past 4 years. No amount of TO's stupidity could amount to him being fired because he let a player decide to put his own well being at risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 Because the city of Philadelphia invested heavily in TO. They went apeshit when TO was signing with them. They were already pegged Super Bowl favorites. Now if Reid allowed TO to play, and TO ended his career due to an injury in the Super Bowl, I don't think the City of Brotherly Love would have too much love for Reid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1234-5678 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 TO needs to sit his ass down. He'll fuck up his chances of playing next year if he hurts himself again. He doesn't care. The Super Bowl is the big time, and he might never get back. It is the job of the Eagles to tell him they can't afford a career ending injury and need him next year. If Reid lets him play, he is making a big mistake. His job depends on more than just one game. If TO shatters his leg in a game that they probably won't win anyways, and the Eagles go 7-9 next year, is Reid going to be in a good position? Did the Eagles go 7-9 in the three previous years before T.O. when they were in the NFC Championship? No. Was T.O. on the field when the Eagles won the championship this year? No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 TO needs to sit his ass down. He'll fuck up his chances of playing next year if he hurts himself again. He doesn't care. The Super Bowl is the big time, and he might never get back. It is the job of the Eagles to tell him they can't afford a career ending injury and need him next year. If Reid lets him play, he is making a big mistake. His job depends on more than just one game. If TO shatters his leg in a game that they probably won't win anyways, and the Eagles go 7-9 next year, is Reid going to be in a good position? Did the Eagles go 7-9 in the three previous years before T.O. when they were in the NFC Championship? No. Was T.O. on the field when the Eagles won the championship this year? No. You can only lose so many high-profile games before management gets tired of you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2005 TO needs to sit his ass down. He'll fuck up his chances of playing next year if he hurts himself again. He doesn't care. The Super Bowl is the big time, and he might never get back. It is the job of the Eagles to tell him they can't afford a career ending injury and need him next year. If Reid lets him play, he is making a big mistake. His job depends on more than just one game. If TO shatters his leg in a game that they probably won't win anyways, and the Eagles go 7-9 next year, is Reid going to be in a good position? Did the Eagles go 7-9 in the three previous years before T.O. when they were in the NFC Championship? No. Was T.O. on the field when the Eagles won the championship this year? No. You can only lose so many high-profile games before management gets tired of you. Example: Tony Dungy. I think Reid is safe and sound but someone really needs to think about Owens. I may dislike him but seeing his career end is not on my list of things to see during the Super Bowl. The Eagles can be back next year, with T.O., no sweat. And they can win the game without him. There is no need for them to risk Owens and Owens isn't thinking about his health right now at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted January 31, 2005 Because the city of Philadelphia invested heavily in TO. They went apeshit when TO was signing with them. They were already pegged Super Bowl favorites. Now if Reid allowed TO to play, and TO ended his career due to an injury in the Super Bowl, I don't think the City of Brotherly Love would have too much love for Reid. Shame the Eagles don't operate their franchise like the Packers do; meaning of course, that the fans don't own the team, Jeff Lurie does. These are the same fans that booed Donovan McNabb being drafted over Ricky Williams; shows what the fuck they know about managing a franchise. Andy Reid is one of the best coaches they've probably ever had, to just give him up to another team in desperate need of one would be asinine. If TO wants to hurt himself by playing, let him be. It shouldn't affect Reid's position within the organization at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2005 Shame the Eagles don't operate their franchise like the Packers do; meaning of course, that the fans don't own the team, Jeff Lurie does. These are the same fans that booed Donovan McNabb being drafted over Ricky Williams; shows what the fuck they know about managing a franchise. Andy Reid is one of the best coaches they've probably ever had, to just give him up to another team in desperate need of one would be asinine. If TO wants to hurt himself by playing, let him be. It shouldn't affect Reid's position within the organization at all. Don't bunch the entire city together for a mistake that idiot Angelo Cataldi and his Retard Thirty(Yes I know it's "Dirty Thirty" Philly people, but they're fucking morons). Real Eagle fans knew the team needed a QB, Duce Staley had a 1,000 yard season already, and they weren't going anywhere with Koy Detmer or Doug Pederson as the starting QB. Those morons got all stirred up thanks to the head idiot Cataldi and decided to give the entire city a black eye for their stupid decision. Reid is set as Eagles HC for as long as he wants to be it, no matter what the jackasses on WIP say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted January 31, 2005 I don't think Pederson was signed until after McNabb was drafted, actually, and that was due to Reid having coached Pederson in Green Bay and I suppose having some familiarity with the offense. Even with a dumbed down idiot offense that he had several years of experience with, Doug Pederson still couldn't manage being a competent quarterback. I was amazed to see him return to Green Bay and get the #2 spot on basically the same merit. Thank goodness he was made expendable and Craig Nall can have a shot at the #2 and possibly the #1 position when Favre retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1234-5678 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2005 Shame the Eagles don't operate their franchise like the Packers do; meaning of course, that the fans don't own the team, Jeff Lurie does. These are the same fans that booed Donovan McNabb being drafted over Ricky Williams; shows what the fuck they know about managing a franchise. Andy Reid is one of the best coaches they've probably ever had, to just give him up to another team in desperate need of one would be asinine. If TO wants to hurt himself by playing, let him be. It shouldn't affect Reid's position within the organization at all. Don't bunch the entire city together for a mistake that idiot Angelo Cataldi and his Retard Thirty(Yes I know it's "Dirty Thirty" Philly people, but they're fucking morons). Real Eagle fans knew the team needed a QB, Duce Staley had a 1,000 yard season already, and they weren't going anywhere with Koy Detmer or Doug Pederson as the starting QB. Those morons got all stirred up thanks to the head idiot Cataldi and decided to give the entire city a black eye for their stupid decision. Reid is set as Eagles HC for as long as he wants to be it, no matter what the jackasses on WIP say. Don't forget Mayor/Governor Rendell also making a plea for them to draft Ricky Williams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2005 In response to people saying that T.O. is an attention whore, etc... Bottom line is that it's the Super Bowl. A man would do whatever it takes to suit up and contribute to his team's victory. I think that T.O.'s mindset is that of a very competitive player who wants to do anything to win a game, and there is no bigger game than the Super Bowl. Like someone else said, he may not be back to the SB anytime soon, if ever. Hypothetically speaking lets say he doesn't play Sunday and never has the chance to do so again. He'll spend the rest of his life regretting not playing NO MATTER WHAT THE RISK WAS. Again, hypothetically speaking, lets say he does play Sunday but injures himself, ending his career. Win or lose he will always know that he did the best he could to help his team (and himself) win the Super Bowl. Which one would you choose? I don't know about you guys, but I personally am ultra-competitive, something that I think T.O. is as well. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, that if it were up to me, given those two situations I posted, I would take the second one 100 out of 100 times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted January 31, 2005 It's nice to live in the moment, but you have to think of the future too. If he does this, he will never be the same player again. My prediction is that he'll come out of the game early from the injury. His ankle is going to swell up during the game and he's going to be limping around. He's going to be a detriment to his team's long term success and winning the game if he tries to play. THe arthritis that he's going to get is going to bother him all the time too. He's going to hurt his career by doing this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2005 Why in the fuck would you fire Reid for that? The man has had an incredible run in Philly, thebest in the NFL over the past 4 years. No amount of TO's stupidity could amount to him being fired because he let a player decide to put his own well being at risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tominator89 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2005 Situations like this completely fascinate me. Slightly off topic, but I remember the countless reports about Shawn Michaels not being able to take a bump ever again. I was genuinely concerned for him when he made his return. Now, a few years later, you'd never know he had anything wrong with him. All I have to say about this is that Owens knows his body better than anyone else. He's not stupid. I'm sure he loves that giant contract he signed with the Eagles this year. He wouldn't want to jeopardize it, I'm sure. It's amazing how when he first came to Philly everyone was concerned with him being a teamplayer and here he is willing to put his career on the line to help the team win a championship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2005 TO needs to sit his ass down. He'll fuck up his chances of playing next year if he hurts himself again. He doesn't care. The Super Bowl is the big time, and he might never get back. It is the job of the Eagles to tell him they can't afford a career ending injury and need him next year. If Reid lets him play, he is making a big mistake. His job depends on more than just one game. If TO shatters his leg in a game that they probably won't win anyways, and the Eagles go 7-9 next year, is Reid going to be in a good position? Did the Eagles go 7-9 in the three previous years before T.O. when they were in the NFC Championship? No. Was T.O. on the field when the Eagles won the championship this year? No. Were the Falcons the weakest out of their NFC Championship opponents? Yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2005 The thing is, Owens knows that if he gets on the field, he will become a media darling either way. It is a no-lose situation for Owens. If he catches a single pass, he is a hero, more brave then William Wallace and Maximum combined. If the Eagles go on to lose regardless, it will STILL be blamed on Owens not being healthy. Owens is just positioning himself to come off looking good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2005 Situations like this completely fascinate me. Slightly off topic, but I remember the countless reports about Shawn Michaels not being able to take a bump ever again. I was genuinely concerned for him when he made his return. Now, a few years later, you'd never know he had anything wrong with him. a few years later That is the key. Michaels waited forever to make his return and comparing a pro wrestler to an NFL player is also a tad bit nuts. Owens has NOT taken the full time to heal himself, he's trying to rush back on an ankle that still has screws in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2005 And Michaels still moves at halfspeed, and spends a lot of time on the shelf due to various injuries. He just got back from one. Kurt Angle is in the same situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted January 31, 2005 Michaels doesn't compete against anyone. He has someone in the ring trying to protect him. Wrestling is not the same as pro football. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted February 1, 2005 Why in the fuck would you fire Reid for that? The man has had an incredible run in Philly, thebest in the NFL over the past 4 years. No amount of TO's stupidity could amount to him being fired because he let a player decide to put his own well being at risk. Since 2000, Andy Reid is 59-21 (66-25 including playoffs) with records of back to back 11-5 seasons, then back to back 12-4 seasons, before going 13-3 this year.. Since 2000, Bill Belichick is 53-27 (61-27 including playoffs) with records of 5-11, 11-5, 9-7 and back to back 14-2 seasons. Belichick has won all the championships, but Reid has been consistently at the top, moreso than any other coach in these past 5 seasons. On an interesting sidenote, Green Bay Packers coach Mike Sherman has amassed the exact same regular season record as Bill Belichick since 2000 (the year he was hired) of 53-27, while going 9-7, 12-4 back to back, and 10-6 back to back. That 2-4 playoff record is disgusting, however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
