The latest twist in the Schiavo case.......

[Special K 0]

Shit, Mike. You still haven't given any support as to why you think environmentalism is some kind of sham. Hope you get a good spot waiting in line for soylent green.

[Guest MikeSC]

Shit, Mike. You still haven't given any support as to why you think environmentalism is some kind of sham. Hope you get a good spot waiting in line for soylent green.

Why is environmentalism a sham?

 

Hmm, let's see:

Non-existant ozone holes.

Irrational hatred of the lumber industry

The ridiculous assumption that we're always on the verge of running out of resources

Shall I mention the overpopulation myths?

Eco-terrorists are a lovely bunch.

Pretending to actually understand how the environment works.

That almost every theory advanced is inevitably shot down as being a load of shit.

 

I can continue...

-=Mike

[Special K 0]

There ARE ozone holes. Excess Carbon monoxide converts ozone to oxygen. The world population IS growing too fast. It's almost doubled in the last 40 fucking years. Ask China.

 

That almost every theory advanced is inevitably shot down as being a load of shit.

Certain theories are debatable, but it's more on a corellation/causation level than anything else. Sure, we probably won't have to worry about it in our lifetimes. So fuck it.

[Guest Brian]

Wait. Some of that lumber industry hate is very legitimate. Lumber companies in the for a good part of their existence have been pretty careless. Look at most of the hardwoods in the midwest. They have, at points in times, totally clear-cut forests. The system of replanting that was first implemented, by both the government and the timber companies, favored monocrops, which have brought diseases and wiped out diversity.

 

Since when are eco-terrorists environmental scientists? Like Islamic fundamentalists, they twist others words for their own far extreme viewpoints and use; but you've never been able to make that distinction.

[Guest MikeSC]

There ARE ozone holes.

No, there REALLY aren't. It's a NATURAL phenomenon that was exploited by "scientists" shooting for grants.

Excess Carbon monoxide converts ozone to oxygen. The world population IS growing too fast. It's almost doubled in the last 40 fucking years. Ask China.

All of that is demonstrably false. Every single one of your claims is wrong.

That almost every theory advanced is inevitably shot down as being a load of shit.

Certain theories are debatable, but it's more on a corellation/causation level than anything else. Sure, we probably won't have to worry about it in our lifetimes. So fuck it.

No, they HAVE NO PROOF, WHATSOEVER, BEHIND THEM.

 

The polar ice caps aren't melting. They aren't in danger of doing so. We're not in danger of EITHER global warming OR an ice age (and it's amazing that nobody is ever asked to explain how the fears changed 180 degrees with nobody asking about that). We're in no danger of starvation, nor of a lack of oil, nor a lack of any commodity.

Wait. Some of that lumber industry hate is very legitimate. Lumber companies in the for a good part of their existence have been pretty careless. Look at most of the hardwoods in the midwest. They have, at points in times, totally clear-cut forests. The system of replanting that was first implemented, by both the government and the timber companies, favored monocrops, which have brought diseases and wiped out diversity.

We have more forest area NOW than we did 100 years ago.

 

Do you think lumber companies are in the business of driving themselves out of business?

 

Hell, the ONLY way they'll EVER save the rainforests is to sell them to a lumber company. Give somebody a reason to actually give a shit.

Since when are eco-terrorists environmental scientists? Like Islamic fundamentalists, they twist others words for their own far extreme viewpoints and use; but you've never been able to make that distinction.

That is a most non-beneficial analogy for you to make, since Muslim terrorists actually do EXACTLY what the Koran tells them to.

 

For all of their faults, "twisting" the "true meaning" of Islam isn't one of them.

-=Mike

[EricMM 0]

The polar ice caps aren't melting. They aren't in danger of doing so. We're not in danger of EITHER global warming OR an ice age. We're in no danger of starvation, nor of a lack of oil, nor a lack of any commodity.

 

Jeez Mike, you're totally giving Bagdad Bob a run for his money.

 

But seriously, it didn't really work out all that well for him either. Screaming nonsense and mistruths that someone told you to say.

[Special K 0]

http://esa.un.org/unpp/

 

The earth's population acoording to ecery source I looked at, has more than doubled since 1960.

 

Oh, wait liberal source LOL.

[Guest MikeSC]

The polar ice caps aren't melting. They aren't in danger of doing so. We're not in danger of EITHER global warming OR an ice age. We're in no danger of starvation, nor of a lack of oil, nor a lack of any commodity.

Jeez Mike, you're totally giving Bagdad Bob a run for his money.

 

But seriously, it didn't really work out all that well for him either. Screaming nonsense and mistruths that someone told you to say.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs133-99/

http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba230.html

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

http://esa.un.org/unpp/

 

The earth's population acoording to ecery source I looked at, has more than doubled since 1960.

 

Oh, wait liberal source LOL.

Which could not conceivably be less relevant.

 

There has not been a famine that was natural.

 

...Or, in simple terms, we have plenty of food.

 

And if you're worried about land, think about this:

 

If you took a population of 4 BILLION people, split them into families of 4 and gave them a piece of land 50' x 53' --- they'd all easily fit...

 

...in the state of Oregon.

 

You could give EVERYBODY 2000 square feet, and they'd all comfortably fit...

 

...in the state of Texas.

-=Mike

[tommytomlin 0]

And what exactly would these four billion people drink?

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba230.html

 

A conservative think tank doesn't like environmentalism. NOOOOOO!

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

There ARE ozone holes.

No, there REALLY aren't. It's a NATURAL phenomenon that was exploited by "scientists" shooting for grants.

So, there aren't Ozone Holes, but there are Natural Ozone Holes?

 

Where have the other ozone holes been?

[Guest MikeSC]

There ARE ozone holes.

No, there REALLY aren't. It's a NATURAL phenomenon that was exploited by "scientists" shooting for grants.

So, there aren't Ozone Holes, but there are Natural Ozone Holes?

 

Where have the other ozone holes been?

The "ozone hole" was allegedly caused by human activity.

 

It's not. It happened for YEARS.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

There ARE ozone holes.

No, there REALLY aren't. It's a NATURAL phenomenon that was exploited by "scientists" shooting for grants.

So, there aren't Ozone Holes, but there are Natural Ozone Holes?

 

Where have the other ozone holes been?

The "ozone hole" was allegedly caused by human activity.

 

It's not. It happened for YEARS.

-=Mike

So, there really is an Ozone Hole? But you denied it earlier.

 

Where else have we seen natural ozone holes?

[Guest MikeSC]

By the ozone hole, I was referring to it being a man-made phenomenon, which it absolutely is not.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

And the Autopsy is in..

 

it's time to see who was right and who had their head up their ass!

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050615/ap_on_...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

 

Schiavo Autopsy Shows Massive Brain Damage

By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer

18 minutes ago

 

LARGO, Fla. - An autopsy on Terri Schiavo backed her husband's contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding that she had massive and irreversible brain damage and was blind, the medical examiner's office said Wednesday. It also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused.

 

But what caused her collapse 15 years ago remained a mystery. The autopsy and post-mortem investigation found no proof that she had an eating disorder, as was suspected at the time, Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Jon Thogmartin said.

 

Autopsy results on the 41-year-old brain-damaged woman were made public Wednesday, more than two months after her death March 31 ended a right-to-die battle between her husband and parents that engulfed the courts, Congress and the White House and divided the country.

 

Her parents cling to their belief that her condition could have improved, in spite of the autopsy report, their lawyer said.

 

She died from dehydration, Thogmartin said. He said she did not appear to have suffered a heart attack and there was no evidence that she was given harmful drugs or other substances prior to her death.

 

He said that after her feeding tube was removed, she would not have been able to eat or drink if she had been given food by mouth, as her parents requested.

 

"Removal of her feeding tube would have resulted in her death whether she was fed or hydrated by mouth or not," Thogmartin told reporters.

 

He also said she was blind, because the "vision centers of her brain were dead," and that her brain was about half of its expected size when she died 13 days following the feeding tube's removal.

 

Michael Schiavo said his wife never would have wanted to be kept alive in what court-appointed doctors concluded was a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery. The parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, doubted she had any such end-of-life wishes and disputed that she was in a vegetative state.

 

Regardless of the autopsy findings, the Schindlers continue to believe their daughter was not in a persistent vegetative state, their lawyer, David Gibbs III, said after Thogmartin's report. He said they plan to discuss the autopsy with other medical experts and may take some unspecified legal action.

 

"We are, at this point, examining every option and no decisions have been made," Gibbs said.

 

Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, planned to discuss the autopsy with reporters later Wednesday.

 

In Washington, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said that the autopsy results did not change the president's position on her case.

 

"Our thoughts and prayers remain with her family and friends," McClellan said. "The president was deeply saddened by this case."

 

The medical examiner's conclusions countered a videotape released by the Schindlers of Terri Schiavo in her hospice bed. The video showed Schiavo appearing to turn toward her mother's voice and smile, moaning and laughing. Her head moved up and down and she seemed to follow the progress of a brightly colored Mickey Mouse balloon.

 

They believed her condition could improve with therapy.

 

However, doctors said her reactions were automatic responses and not evidence of thought or consciousness, and Thogmartin's report went farther.

 

"The brain weighed 615 grams, roughly half of the expected weight of a human brain," he said. "This damage was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons."

 

Thogmartin said the autopsy report was based on 274 external and internal body images, and an exhaustive review of Terri Schiavo's medical records, police reports and social services agency records.

 

He said hospital records of her 1990 collapse showed she had a diminished potassium level in her blood. But he said that did not prove she had an eating disorder, because the emergency treatment she received at the time could have affected the potassium level.

 

Testimony in a 1992 civil trial indicated that she probably was suffering from an eating disorder that led to a severe chemical imbalance.

 

Over the years, the Schindlers had sought independent investigation of their daughter's condition and what caused it. Abuse complaints to state social workers were ruled unfounded and the Pinellas state attorney's office did not turn up evidence of abuse.

 

During the seven-year legal battle, federal and state courts repeatedly rejected extraordinary attempts at intervention by Florida lawmakers, Gov. Jeb Bush, Congress and President Bush on behalf of her parents.

 

Supporters of the Schindlers harshly criticized the courts. Many religious groups, including the Roman Catholic Church, said the removal of sustenance violated fundamental religious tenets.

 

About 40 judges in six courts were involved in the case at one point or another. Six times, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to intervene. As Schiavo's life ebbed away following the final removal of her feeding tube, Congress rushed through a bill to allow the federal courts to take up the case, and President Bush signed it March 21, but federal courts refused to step in.

[Dr. Tom 0]

Her parents cling to their belief that her condition could have improved, in spite of the autopsy report, their lawyer said.

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Regardless of the autopsy findings, the Schindlers continue to believe their daughter was not in a persistent vegetative state, their lawyer, David Gibbs III, said after Thogmartin's report. He said they plan to discuss the autopsy with other medical experts and may take some unspecified legal action.

 

"We are, at this point, examining every option and no decisions have been made," Gibbs said.

What stupid motherfuckers. I hated her parents from the start of this for their simple refusal to deny reality, but I always figured they'd come around after the autopsy. Apparently, they're even stupider and more stubborn than I gave them credit for.

[Slickster 0]

I'm withholding comment until Sen. Frist makes a diagnosis based on the autopsy video.

[SuperJerk 0]

Whu??? She was blind too?

 

Wasn't part of the argument that her idiot family was making based on the way she looked at them or something?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Schiavo's family are more brain dead than she was. That they are still clinging to this notion that their pet rock, I mean daughter, could have recovered, even after the autopsy showed otherwise, is pathetic. Is there anybody outside of the Schiavo family that still think she could have recovered?

[Justice 0]

This is the thread that wouldn't die, it just goes on and on and on...

[ZGangsta 0]

I put forward that this thread is in a persistave vegetative state and should have it's life support systems shut down. The thread would want it that way and should be allowed to die with dignity.

 

But first let's see what Doktor Frist has to say about that diagnosis eh?

[SuperJerk 0]

Tom DeLay was on Hardball today defending how the Republicans handled this fiasco. Reminded me of all the good time we had in this thread. *sigh*