NBA Playoffs

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Wizards in 6 but they'll get swept by the Heat in the 2nd Round giving the Heat an easy road to the East Finals vs the Pistons who'll have to fight it out vs the Pacers..err..uh...

[MrRant 0]

Only think I know is I'm looking forward to pretty much all the series this year which hasn't happened for me in a long while.

[Damaramu 0]

What I'm liking is that this years playoffs involves some fresh faces like the Wizards, Bulls, and Suns.

Hell it's been a while for the Sonics hasn't it?

And best of all.....no LA!

[CanadianChris 0]

Heat, Pacers and Pistons in 5

Wizards in 6

 

I guess I'll be cheering for Whatever Team Shaq Ends Up On, like I said at the start of the season. Go Heat.

[Shanghai Kid 0]

And personally I think either hughes or Jamison are the best players in this series.

Ahahahah, whether you want to admit it or not, Gilbert Arenas has become a top 15 player. An All-Star, an All-NBA 3rd team player, the franchise player here in DC. Top 10 in the leauge in points, steals, 3-pointers, free throws, and minutes. 2nd in the league in 4th quarter points, 2nd in the league in go ahead shots in the final minute of a game. I know, you were bashing the signing when it happened. "Washington overpaid Arenas". Hell it might be true, they paid 10 mil a year for a 21 year old putting up 18/6/5. Unfortaunetly for that prediction, just a year later Arenas is putting up 25/5/5/2 and leading the Wizards back to the playoffs. Lol, Jamison and Hughes better? Why don't you ask any Wizards fan who the best player is? Why don't you ask the people at MCI who chant MVP after Arenas carries them to victory? Why don't you ask opposing coaches who have said 'Arenas is the player we can't figure out how to stop".

[Ripper 0]

Stats have never meant a thing when it comes to best player.

 

Grant Hill is the best player in Orlando even though Francis puts up better numbers.

 

Steve Nash is the best player in Phoenix even though Amare puts up the better numbers.

 

(here goes the shocker) Tyson Chandler is probably the best player on the bulls and averages under 10 points a game.

 

Gilbert Arenas can score his everyloving ass off because he is really really quick. Noone is doubting that. Gilbert Arenas can also forget that he is a point guard and put up incredible numbers and his team loses. While he consistantly puts up great numbers, he is a inconsistant player, as in some nights he spreads the ball around and plays well and Washington ownz the other team then other nights its all about Gil and the team loses while he puts up 35.

 

Yes, Gilbert put up great numbers last year, but lets be honest. The only change the Wiz made in the offseason was Antwain Jamison who has the tendacy to slow down the team and get them into their offense, which has been the reason for the turnaround. His rebounding, defense at the 3-4 posistion, and leadership is the reason the Wiz are in the playoffs. Of course, you aren't going to see it that way, just like when I said last year the Wiz weren't going to make it because they had way too many two guards(which they unloaded alot of in the offseason) and that Arenas shoots too much to be a point, he is really a two(and with Hughes basically running the point when he is out there, Gil is still playing a two guard that passes sometimes).

 

And Gilbert Arenas is not a top 15 player.

 

In no particular order:

 

1: Shaq

2: Jason Kidd

3: Steve Nash

4: Ray Allen

5: Lebron James

6: Kobe Bryant

7: Tracy McGrady

8: Baron Davis

9: Vince Carter(hate all yall want to, you know its true)

10: Jermaine O'neil

11: Tim Duncan

12: Dirk Nowinski

13: Shawn Marion

14: Allen Iverson

15: Kevin Garnett

 

 

Now, who do you remove from that list. Hell there are about 8-10 more players to go on before I put Arenas in.

 

But he is damn good at what he does.

[Styles 0]

And personally I think either hughes or Jamison are the best players in this series. 

Ahahahah, whether you want to admit it or not, Gilbert Arenas has become a top 15 player. An All-Star, an All-NBA 3rd team player, the franchise player here in DC. Top 10 in the leauge in points, steals, 3-pointers, free throws, and minutes. 2nd in the league in 4th quarter points, 2nd in the league in go ahead shots in the final minute of a game. I know, you were bashing the signing when it happened. "Washington overpaid Arenas". Hell it might be true, they paid 10 mil a year for a 21 year old putting up 18/6/5. Unfortaunetly for that prediction, just a year later Arenas is putting up 25/5/5/2 and leading the Wizards back to the playoffs. Lol, Jamison and Hughes better? Why don't you ask any Wizards fan who the best player is? Why don't you ask the people at MCI who chant MVP after Arenas carries them to victory? Why don't you ask opposing coaches who have said 'Arenas is the player we can't figure out how to stop".

Preach on!

 

Although I have the "mad love" as they say for Larry Hughes. Mr. Polin better open up the wallet resign him to keep him in D.C. The great thing about this Wizards team is between the "big 3" there's a legitimate argument for who the best player is amongst them. The great thing is they all compliment each other and play so well together and cover for each other's strength and weaknesses. Jamison can't play defense, but that's ok because Hughes is a menace and steal machine and Jamison can rebound, Gilbert can look for his own shot, or deal out the assists to either of them if they're open. Either Hughes or Arenas can be counted on to hit that buzzer beater lay in on a drive when they need to.

 

And Ripper, the only change wasn't just Jamison it was that Arenas and Hughes were HEALTHY this year. Last year, Arenas missed significant time due to injuries, this year he just sat 2 games. Larry missed significant time last year too and it seemed like every time one was back the other would get injured. Don't even get me started on Stackhouse who is made of glass last year but magically recovers this year. Hughes missed some time this year but the other 2 covered for him and kept the Wiz above float. Experience factor is big too, Arenas has another year under his belt now.

 

The Wizards biggest detriment in my opinion is their lack of depth. They have a lot of "role" players like Michael Ruffin who rebounds and sets picks but he can't shoot to save his life. Or Juan Dixon who can put up the 3s but not much more. And it goes on and on. They also lack a domindant inside prescence. This is hopefully changing as Brendan Haywood matures and establishes himself as a top center in the East. Etan Thomas has been huge off the bench too. Kwame...is...well...he's getting better I guess...

 

Oh, and Ripper I'd put Arenas above Marion and Davis on your list, but I guess this all comes down to subjectivness and personal opinion.

 

Anyway, PREDICTIONS~!

 

Heat over Nets in 5

Pistons over Sixers in 7

Pacers over Celtics in 6

Wizards over Bulls in 6

 

Suns over Grizzlies in 5

Spurs over Nuggets in 4

Sonics over Kings in 5

Mavericks over Rockets in 6

 

Yes, I see the East as more competitive. Whoddathunk!?

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

I guess I'll throw in my predictions for the whole damn thing.

 

1st Round

 

Heat over Nets in 5

Pistons over Sixers in 6

Celtics over Pacers in 7

Bulls over Wizards in 7

 

Suns over Grizzlies in 5 (WE'LL GET ONE WIN! WOO HOO!)

Nuggets over Spurs in 6 (UPSET~!)

Kings over Sonics in 6

Mavericks over Rockets in 5

 

Quarters

Heat over Bulls in 5

Pistons over Celtics in 6

 

Mavericks over Suns in 7

Nuggets over Kings 6

 

Semis

Heat over Pistons in 6

Mavericks over Nuggets in 7

 

Finals

Mavericks over Heat in 7 to win the NBA Title.

[Shanghai Kid 0]

Ripper, I figured you weren't going to be convinced, let me just repeat what Slapnuts said in that the Wiz had massive injuries to their 3 best players last year which is why their record was bad. Jamison is decent, but he's not even in Arenas's atmosphere. Gilbert carried the team while Hughes and Jamison were both injured this year, his role on the Wiz is to score and that's what he does. The offense they run doesn't have a point guard, it involves him and Larry Hughes handling the ball equally. Bottom line is, your criminally wrong if you think Arenas isn't the best player on the Wiz. Just about any analyist or Wizards fan will tell you that, not like I'm making it up. Watch the playoffs, you'll see who the best player on the floor is in the Wiz/Chi series.

 

Anyways, the series I'm looking forward to is Rockets vs Dallas, I think Rockets will pull the upset.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Ripper's list there was decent, except for overrating Shaq and Ray Allen.

 

Also, it's difficult to throw in and compare centers and pointguards, so I guess I can see where that would have its flaws.

[Ripper 0]

Ripper's list there was decent, except for overrating Shaq and Ray Allen.

 

Also, it's difficult to throw in and compare centers and pointguards, so I guess I can see where that would have its flaws.

Well, like I said, it wasn't in order...just who came to mind. You can't be argueing that Shaq isn't a top 15 player in the league are you?

 

And even if you wanted to put arenas over marion(although that is quite insane) and Baron Davis(i could understand when it comes to injuries...I guess) I would still put Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh(who quietly became a monster this year) Michael Redd, Rashard Lewis, Amare Stoudimire, Elton Brand, Cory Magettee, Paul Pierce, and Manu Ginobli above Arenas. He is definately top 40 talent in the league (and in a league of 500+ players that isn't a insult) but top 15? Comeon. Thats a reach.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Ripper's list there was decent, except for overrating Shaq and Ray Allen.

 

Also, it's difficult to throw in and compare centers and pointguards, so I guess I can see where that would have its flaws.

Well, like I said, it wasn't in order...just who came to mind. You can't be argueing that Shaq isn't a top 15 player in the league are you?

DEFINITELY not. I'm not that blind in my dislike for him. But #1? I don't think so. Certainly top 5, definitely top 10.

 

I'd say Arenas is more top 20-25 caliber. He'll be getting up there, though, with time.

[Ripper 0]

Ripper's list there was decent, except for overrating Shaq and Ray Allen.

 

Also, it's difficult to throw in and compare centers and pointguards, so I guess I can see where that would have its flaws.

Well, like I said, it wasn't in order...just who came to mind. You can't be argueing that Shaq isn't a top 15 player in the league are you?

DEFINITELY not. I'm not that blind in my dislike for him. But #1? I don't think so. Certainly top 5, definitely top 10.

 

I'd say Arenas is more top 20-25 caliber. He'll be getting up there, though, with time.

Hell I will make the bold prediction that Gilbert Arenas will lead the league in the scoring in a season or two. The guy can score at will, but I still don't think that makes him a great player.

[Styles 0]

Ripper's list there was decent, except for overrating Shaq and Ray Allen.

 

Also, it's difficult to throw in and compare centers and pointguards, so I guess I can see where that would have its flaws.

Well, like I said, it wasn't in order...just who came to mind. You can't be argueing that Shaq isn't a top 15 player in the league are you?

DEFINITELY not. I'm not that blind in my dislike for him. But #1? I don't think so. Certainly top 5, definitely top 10.

 

I'd say Arenas is more top 20-25 caliber. He'll be getting up there, though, with time.

Hell I will make the bold prediction that Gilbert Arenas will lead the league in the scoring in a season or two. The guy can score at will, but I still don't think that makes him a great player.

Fair enough. But you act as if he's just a one dimensional player and the only threat on the team. The great thing about Washington's offense that Eddie Jordan has implemented is that it doesn't rely on one guy as the go to guy to score, and as mentioned anyone can run the point because it's all about constant motion and passing. Everyone picks each other up which is why Arenas/Hughes/Jamison is the best scoring trio in the NBA. I guess it's just because they haven't had much national exposure, but I think NBA fans who have largely ignored the Wiz will see what the fans have seen all year long. No point arguing this anymore.

[Shanghai Kid 0]

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[Guest Vitamin X]

Yeah Shaq the #1 player in the league while Duncan and Garnett don't even crack the top 10? WTF?

 

And sorry, but Allen is WAY too high at #4. But then again, it's that whole thing about comparing centers with forwards and pointguards- you can't, really.

[Shanghai Kid 0]

Yeah Shaq the #1 player in the league while Duncan and Garnett don't even crack the top 10? WTF?

 

And sorry, but Allen is WAY too high at #4. But then again, it's that whole thing about comparing centers with forwards and pointguards- you can't, really.

Also, Baron Davis is not a top 15 player and won't be until he stays healthy for a full season.

[The Electrifyer 0]

V-X, he said those were in "no particular order." He just listed who he thought was top 15, not the order that they would appear in. The number is just to count them up easier, not the order they would appear in.

[Lightning Flik 0]

In no particular order:

 

Apparently you people don't fucking read properly. Please head back to elementry school and work on your reading skills.

[Shanghai Kid 0]

Yes, Gilbert put up great numbers last year, but lets be honest.  The only change the Wiz made in the offseason was Antwain Jamison who has the tendacy to slow down the team and get them into their offense, which has been the reason for the turnaround.  His rebounding, defense at the 3-4 posistion, and leadership is the reason the Wiz are in the playoffs.  Of course, you aren't going to see it that way, just like when I said last year the Wiz weren't going to make it because they had way too many two guards(which they unloaded alot of in the offseason) and that Arenas shoots too much to be a point, he is really a two(and with Hughes basically running the point when he is out there, Gil is still playing a two guard that passes sometimes).

 

And Gilbert Arenas is not a top 15 player.

 

In no particular order:

 

1: Shaq

2: Jason Kidd

3: Steve Nash

4: Ray Allen

5: Lebron James

6: Kobe Bryant

7: Tracy McGrady

8: Baron Davis

9: Vince Carter(hate all yall want to, you know its true)

10: Jermaine O'neil

11: Tim Duncan

12: Dirk Nowinski

13: Shawn Marion

14: Allen Iverson

15: Kevin Garnett

 

 

Now, who do you remove from that list.  Hell there are about 8-10 more players to go on before I put Arenas in.

 

But he is damn good at what he does.

 

Theirs so many stupid things that any Washington fan would point out in your post.

 

First of all, the coach Eddie Jordan himself has credited Gilbert Arenas maturing as the main reason for the turnaround. Also, other factors like Larry Hughes big time improvement, and Brendan Haywoods improvement, were just as big of a factor as Jamison coming aboard. If you don't know, Stackhouse sat out 60 games last season, so Jamison was coming in a situation where their was no starting SF last season.

 

Jamison slowing the team down and getting into the offense? I can tell you haven't watched many Wizards games. Jamison is as much of a gunner as anybody, he takes bad outside shots all game. And his defense? Wow, that's horrible. Antawn Jamison is the worst defender on the Wiz. He's one of main reasons why the team defense is so bad. Arenas and Hughes have both been more important to the team this year Jamison. They have an over .500 record when Jamison DOES not play.

 

The Princeton offense has no point guard or shooting guard. It's a 2 guard offense where both guards control the offense. Arenas isn't required to facilitate the offense, his role as given by Eddie Jordan is to score the ball. He takes pressure off his teammates by scoring, and at the same time he allows Hughes and Jamison to do their thing by taking the defensive focus off them. If he was at all selfish or shot too much he wouldn't have two teammates averaging 20ppg. He's the best offensive player on the team and if you knew anything about basketball you realize the coach wants the teams best player to get as many shots as possible. Showing his importance to the team, the Wiz continued to win EVEN AFTER Hughes got injured in which they had a .500 record for 20 games, and than when Jamison got injured and they had an above .500 recored without him.

 

You pretty obviously have some personal dislike for Arenas, some kind of agenda against him. Micheal Redd? Ginobili? Magettie? WTF? Either your basketball knowledge is terrible or your reaching very far to prove your point. If he's not as good as those guys why is he going to make an All-NBA team and those guys aren't? Why did he make the All-Star team and some of those guys didn't?

 

I really don't take anything you say seriously about basketball if you don't think he's been a top 20 player this season. Hell your already pushing stupidity by saying Arenas isn't the best player on the Wiz. Really, go read some articles or something, you sound like your living in two years ago. Do you realize in your head that Arenas is an All-NBA All-Star player? Does it click in your head that he's carried an injury depleted team to the playoffs? I'm just glad your opinion is the minority opinion, just about every analyist and hardcore fan would tell you different but keep believing what you want to believe. Top 15 is reaching? Arenas is top 10 in several statistical categories AND he's a leader, very clutch, and has matured greatly. It's not worth arguing if you have a one track mind. Your convinced Arenas is the same player he was two years ago, even though the coach has credited Arenas's maturing as the main reason for the teams turnaround. Face it, your a hater with no objectivity on this topic. I hope I've schooled you on this subject, because when it comes to the basketball I will look at your posts with the preconcieved notion that this is the guy who thought Arenas wasn't the best player on the Wizards, and thought he was merely a top 40 player.

 

Look beyond the stats, Washingtons offense in the 4th quarter consists of isolating Arenas and telling him to go to work. And you know what? Washington is a freakish 17-6 in games decided by 3 points of less, they've won more close games than any team in the league. Without Arenas being able to score at will in the 4th quarter of games they would be in the lottery.

 

I would take Arenas over Baron Davis until Baron proves he can be healthy for a full year. I also would take him over Marion, whose fine as a 3rd option but could never be the main guy on a playoff team like Gilbert is.

 

Now would you like me to post articles where respected NBA analyists call Arenas a top 15 player, one of the best point guards in the league, a sleeper MVP candidate, and comments from Washingtons teammates saying that Arenas is a leader and the engine that drives the team? Would you like me to give you links to Wizards forums where the fans will tell you the team would be lost without Arenas?

 

Let me know, because you seem to be under the impression that Arenas is a 15/5/5 roleplayer on a 40 win team. You laugh at the thought that he could be a top 20 player. He's put up over 27 points a game since January and Washington would of won 50 games this year without the injuries and Arenas is the known catalyst of the team. He has the intangibles of a winner, he's a leader, a competitor, and he's very unselfish. You can tell him watching him play he does whatever it takes to win on that particular night. If he was as inconsistent as you seem to think than Washington would be in big trouble. Anways, I hope your more educated on this topic now. If your not, I could care less because I said your of the minority opinion and I can find about 50 fans who can come and support my arguments. Have fun in la la land where an NBA GM would consider taking Magettie over Arenas or where one dimensional Micheal Redd is somehow better than Gilbert.

[Guest Vitamin X]

In no particular order:

 

Apparently you people don't fucking read properly. Please head back to elementry school and work on your reading skills.

Apparently Flik is still FUCKING GODDAMN FUCKING SNAPPED on everyone.

[Styles 0]

Let's not kid ourselves here, Peter John Ramos will be the key to Wizards playoff hopes.

 

SK, you obviously have more patience then I do. It's what you get for rooting for a team that has been under the national radar for so long (well except for those 2 years when THAT GUY played on the team, and you'd be hard pressed to focus on anything else).

[Guest Vitamin X]

I like the Wizzes. That picture in Slapnuts!'s sig makes them look like a fun bunch of fun lovin guys who love to have fun.

[Lightning Flik 0]

In no particular order:

 

Apparently you people don't fucking read properly. Please head back to elementry school and work on your reading skills.

Apparently Flik is still FUCKING GODDAMN FUCKING SNAPPED on everyone.

Its: He's fucking God damned snapped!

 

Your post is also missing an Elk beating up on something.

 

Geezus... You think you people could at least remember how to insult me properly. Work harder next time.

[Shanghai Kid 0]

Let's not kid ourselves here, Peter John Ramos will be the key to Wizards playoff hopes. 

 

SK, you obviously have more patience then I do. It's what you get for rooting for a team that has been under the national radar for so long (well except for those 2 years when THAT GUY played on the team, and you'd be hard pressed to focus on anything else).

I have patience, but he's seriously underrating Arenas. And he's so sure of himself as if he's right even though just about every analyist and any Wizards fan would disagree with him. I argued with him about Arenas like the last two years, he thought he was overrated when he signed the big contract, which he may have been, but he's matured and improved greatly and now even when Arenas is basically the MVP on an injury depleted 45 win team he STILL can't give the man props, going to ridiculas lengths to argue against him when theirs no argument there. It just sounds like he's against changing his mind about Arenas no matter what, he has that bad impression which is fine, I just hope he realizes that he's in the minority and that when Arenas is making the All-Star team every season I will be laughing. Gil willl prove himself again by leading the Wiz over the Bulls.

[Styles 0]

Go ahead, underestimate him, he wants you to...

[Guest Vitamin X]

In no particular order:

 

Apparently you people don't fucking read properly. Please head back to elementry school and work on your reading skills.

Apparently Flik is still FUCKING GODDAMN FUCKING SNAPPED on everyone.

Its: He's fucking God damned snapped!

 

Your post is also missing an Elk beating up on something.

 

Geezus... You think you people could at least remember how to insult me properly. Work harder next time.

Maybe if you were a more memorable poster, I'd make the effort...

[iggymcfly 0]

Yeah Shaq the #1 player in the league while Duncan and Garnett don't even crack the top 10? WTF?

 

And sorry, but Allen is WAY too high at #4. But then again, it's that whole thing about comparing centers with forwards and pointguards- you can't, really.

If you read the post he said:

 

And Gilbert Arenas is not a top 15 player.

 

In no particular order:

 

God, like five people posted on the order there. Learn how to read.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Bah, it was a mere oversight. Get over it.

[lomasmoney 0]

And personally I think either hughes or Jamison are the best players in this series.

 

 

 

Anyway, PREDICTIONS~!

 

Heat over Nets in 5

Pistons over Sixers in 7

Pacers over Celtics in 6

Wizards over Bulls in 6

 

Suns over Grizzlies in 5

Spurs over Nuggets in 4

Sonics over Kings in 5

Mavericks over Rockets in 6

 

Yes, I see the East as more competitive. Whoddathunk!?

I think you are retarded if you have Allen Iverson, Andre Igoudala, and a crippled Chris Webber pushing Detroit to 7 games