Sports Misconceptions

[Vern Gagne 0]

I felt the last Stanley Cup playoffs we had were pretty much an abomination as a whole, though. Calgary deserved a title. Or another one for the Avs. Or Kings.

Tampa Bay has some nice young talent with Richards, and St.Louis and they did have the best record in at least the Eastern Conference.

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

Some people think that Schilling's bloody sock outing was the deciding game, but it was Game 6 not 7. (I know it was just last fall but some people are idiots)

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

The Bucky Dent home run gets attention because it turned a two run Red Sox lead into a one run deficit. More importantly, it was Bucky F'n Dent. A guy who slugged .317 that year. He is not the kind of hitter you expect to pop a three run home run.

 

Anyway, here is mine. Derek Jeter is actually a poor defensive shortstop.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

BTW- Bruins made the playoffs last year, too.  Not really a disappointing season, if you ask me.

Finishing with 100+ points, and then blowing a 3-1 series lead to hated, long-time rivals (and losing the final 2 at home) was pretty fucking disapointing.

As a loyal Habs fan, we had no business beating the clearly better Bruins last year in the playoffs. I still haven't forgiven Kovalev.

 

I felt the last Stanley Cup playoffs we had were pretty much an abomination as a whole, though. Calgary deserved a title. Or another one for the Avs. Or Kings.

 

Meh. I was pulling hard for the Flames, obviously. But don't take into consideration what teams they play for, and there's no debate you wanted Andreychuk to get the Cup over Iginla. That's no shot at Iginla.

 

I hate every team in the East that's not Canadian, save the Southeast teams that I'm indifferent to. Yes, I can justify it.

 

Boston-Hated rival of the Habs. I have no control.

Buffalo-City's a toilet and Rick Jeaneratt needs a smack.

New Jersey- Trap. Bastards.

Philly- Roenick and Clarke..need I say more?

Rangers-Represent everything wrong with pro sports today.

Islanders-Milbury's a cunt and he bad mouthed Canada on several occasions.

Pittsburgh?

 

Ok, shot myself in the foot.

 

For the topic, a lot of people think the Miracle on Ice concluded with the States beating the Soviets. They beat Finland two days later.

 

A lot of people overlook that Paul Henderson also scored the winners in game 6 and 7 as well.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

A lot of people seem to think that Jerry Rice was on every one of the 49ers Super Bowl teams.

It's forgotten by many people that the 1984 49ers went 15-1.

And the only team to beat them was the Steelers.

 

And the Steelers lost in the AFC Championship to Miami. That's all I got...

[Slayer 0]

A lot of people seem to think that Jerry Rice was on every one of the 49ers Super Bowl teams.

It's forgotten by many people that the 1984 49ers went 15-1.

And the only team to beat them was the Steelers.

 

And the Steelers lost in the AFC Championship to Miami. That's all I got...

One year later, the only team to beat Da Bears was Miami

 

Miami went on to lose in the AFC title game to the Pats

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

lol -- I was going to mention that, too, but I was too lazy...

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Along the lines with the Fisk home run, the YES Network treats the Yankee wins in Games 3-5 of the 2001 WS (Jeter's "Mr November" HR, the Brosius and Tino HRS back to back nights off of Kim, ect) as the top historic moments in Yankee history

 

Although I can sort of see it considering how few moments we really HAVE, Robin Ventura's "Grand Slam Single" gets overhyped by the Mets

 

I have a feeling Aaron Boone's HR is going to get very overrated as time goes on since the Yanks failed to win the World Series (Not too many people cite Chris Chambliss' walkoff in the 76 ALCS as a top 5 classic all-time moment because the Yanks lost the World Series), though maybe not since the Sox would win the World Series the next year

[MillenniumMan831 0]

You forgot Philly... the city that win championship once every 60 or 70 years.

 

Not since 1983, and the current drought is the longest at 22 years (longest out of all cities with 4 pro sports teams...)

Cleveland's drought is at 41 years (Browns in 1964) but there's no hockey team there. Still, a pretty sucky run no matter how ya slice it.

[Cartman 0]

Bucky Dent's homer in the '78 playoff game; many people felt that was the game winner, but I actually thought the Reggie Jackson homer off Bob Stanley help seal the deal for the Yanks.  Why, because the game could have been tied at 4... but it was 5-4.

I agree. I saw the game on espn classic last year and that hit me, though I had read about it before. Reggie doesnt get any credit for that does he?

 

Buckener gets too much hate, I mean it was a wild pitch that tied the game actually.

Is that his fault too?

I argue with people I work with about that all the time. s crappy as that buckner play was it was Stanley's fault more than anything.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Bucky Dent's homer in the '78 playoff game; many people felt that was the game winner, but I actually thought the Reggie Jackson homer off Bob Stanley help seal the deal for the Yanks.  Why, because the game could have been tied at 4... but it was 5-4.

I agree. I saw the game on espn classic last year and that hit me, though I had read about it before. Reggie doesnt get any credit for that does he?

 

Buckener gets too much hate, I mean it was a wild pitch that tied the game actually.

Is that his fault too?

I argue with people I work with about that all the time. s crappy as that buckner play was it was Stanley's fault more than anything.

The hell with that, how about the fact that the Red Sox had the LEAD IN GAME 7! With what, 9-12 outs to go (Yeah I should know it by heart (Mets fan)but come on, I was 9 at the time)

 

That really is the more amazing part when you think about it, the fact that Game 7 (in both 86 AND 75) get so overlooked in Red Sox and baseball lore

 

Steve

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Some people think that Schilling's bloody sock outing was the deciding game, but it was Game 6 not 7. (I know it was just last fall but some people are idiots)

You know, considering Game 7 turned out to be such a blowout, I might be able to forgive them for that! But yeah, the facts are the facts

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Now Chicago on the other hand, can certainly make a case for it, but Midwesterners aren't nearly as bitchy as New Englanders.

Boston wasn't cursed. The Red Sox were cursed. That is, if you buy into that bullshit.

 

But the city itself- nowhere near cursed. The Celtics won 16 rings, obviously what the Pats have done, and the Sox. BTW- Bruins made the playoffs last year, too. Not really a disappointing season, if you ask me.

 

I'm not bitching, that's for damn sure. I don't hear many people bitching anymore, actually- so it's kind of a moot point to make.

 

Anyway- misconception. The Red Sox have won 1 World Series to the Yankees 26. They've actually won 6. And it seems to me that a lot of people didn't know what the "1918" chant was actually referring to.

I don't think that was a misconception, I just think thats a Yankee Nation boasting thing, since 1919 its been 26 to 1

 

I'll grant you the majority of people who use the 26 to 1 argument probably don't even realize that the first Yankee championship came in 1923, but since 1923 comes after 1918 I guess they can still say it.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Well, it actually came in 1923.

 

Here is another. Ruth's HR binge occured after the Black Sox scandal. He actually hit his 54 home runs in 1920, and the scandal did not hit the papers in earnest until September of that season.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Well, it actually came in 1923.

 

Here is another. Ruth's HR binge occured after the Black Sox scandal. He actually hit his 54 home runs in 1920, and the scandal did not hit the papers in earnest until September of that season.

D'OH! Don't ask, I was thinking about that three year stretch when the Yanks and Giants were in the WS every year (Giants won the first two) and I thought it started in 20, not 21. D'OH!

 

Actually the misconception is more Ruth's HRs saved baseball after the Black Sox scandal, maybe it did, but as you said he had a great year before the scandal broke

 

Also I'm sure many people think the "Eight Men Out" were suspended right after the 1919 series when they all played in 1920 and Ed Cicotte and Lefty Williams (two pitchers suspended) were actually two of the 4 Sox to win 20 in 1920, (along with Dickie Kerr and HOFer Red Faber) the last before Jim Palmer, Dave McNally, Mike Cuellar and Pat Dobson did it for the O's

 

Actually that may be another misconception, seems like everytime I hear about the 71 Orioles it seems like they are the only team since the turn of the 20th century to have 4 20 game winners

[MikeJordan23 0]

The Bulls (1994-1995) weren't good without Jordan. In reality, the year after he left, the Bulls had the best record in the conference and almost made it to the NBA finals.

 

Jordan won the title the first year he came back. The Bulls actually got eliminated in the semi finals to the Magic.

[MikeJordan23 0]

Nolan Ryan is one of the greatest pitchers of all-time.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Nolan Ryan is one of the greatest pitchers of all-time.

He'll always be the greatest for putting Ventura in a headlock.

[Slayer 0]

Nolan Ryan is one of the greatest pitchers of all-time.

He'll always be the greatest for putting Ventura in a headlock.

[Guest Brian]

Cant' somebody do better? A Hall of fame plaque?

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Nolan Ryan is one of the greatest pitchers of all-time.

I was a caller to a Fairfield University radio sports-talk show in 1999 and the host asked me, "Ryan greatest RH of alltime?" and my answer was "Ummmm, no. Probably not even top 20" and I proceeded to run off a list of great RH in the Hall like Seaver, Johnson, Gibson, Pete Alexander, Mathewson, even threw Jim Palmer in the mix

 

That shut the guy up

 

Steve

[Jorge Gorgeous 0]

Nolan Ryan is one of the greatest pitchers of all-time.

I was a caller to a Fairfield University radio sports-talk show in 1999 and the host asked me, "Ryan greatest RH of alltime?" and my answer was "Ummmm, no. Probably not even top 20" and I proceeded to run off a list of great RH in the Hall like Seaver, Johnson, Gibson, Pete Alexander, Mathewson, even threw Jim Palmer in the mix

 

That shut the guy up

 

Steve

Not even top 20? I don't know about that.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Ryan was a great pitcher, no question. He was overrated and not quite as good as greats such as Tom Seaver or Roger Clemens, but he was good enough to pitch WELL into his mid 40s. There are cases where a player is overrated to the point where we go overboard disputing them. Ryan is not top 10, but he is likely somewhere in the top 25.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

When you said threw Jim Palmer, I thought meant threw Jim Abbott. That would have been pretty clever.

 

His good hand was his left wasn't it?

[Slayer 0]

7 no-hitters and a shitload of Ks is nothing to sneeze at, to be sure, but in 27 seasons he only one 20+ games twice and 15+ games seven times, not to mention he had 2800 walks in his career, far and away more than anyone else in baseball (Steve Carlton at #2 had nearly 1000 fewer). He never won a CYA either.

 

He's not a travesty in the hall like, say, Don Sutton, but he wasn't as great as he's made to be either

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

7 no-hitters and a shitload of Ks is nothing to sneeze at, to be sure, but in 27 seasons he only one 20+ games twice and 15+ games seven times, not to mention he had 2800 walks in his career, far and away more than anyone else in baseball (Steve Carlton at #2 had nearly 1000 fewer). He never won a CYA either.

 

He's not a travesty in the hall like, say, Don Sutton, but he wasn't as great as he's made to be either

How is Don Sutton a travesty?

[Slayer 0]

Take everything I said about Nolan Ryan... minus the Ks, no-hitters and walks

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Take everything I said about Nolan Ryan... minus the Ks, no-hitters and walks

That makes him not a greatest of the great pitcher. I fail to see how it makes him an undeserving Hall of Famer. Sutton won 324 major league games. From that point, he needs some fairly negative things to take away the Hall. His winning percentage of .559 is acceptable. He pitched well in the postseason. He is actually seventh all time in strikeouts, and was fifth when he retired.

 

Did he reach 300 wins by hanging on past his prime? Well, in 1986 when he passed the 300 win plateau, his ERA was 3.74, better than the league average. He started 34 games for a team that won the American League West, and almost made the World Series. I just don't see how you can make a logical argument completely dismissing Sutton from the Hall.

[Slayer 0]

ESPN had a good article on why he shouldn't be in, but damn if I can't find it right now, so... fuck

 

Also, let's not forget Sutton pitched for most of his years in the pitchers haven known as Dodger Stadium... if you're going to get on Jim Rice for playing his career at Fenway, then I would do the same for this case.

[CanadianChris 0]

I'm not sure about this (I was seven at the time it happened) but I thought Wayne Greztky's high stick was caused in game six to force a game seven, not the series.

You thought correctly. It happened in overtime of game 6.