The OAO RAW Thread - 5/16/05

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Hey! Nothing you can say! Will change what Lita did to Matt.

 

While I'm sure there could have been less "wrong" ways to to the turn, Lita had to turn heel. You can't go on having her as a face while the fans dump on you.

 

JR's rant gave me a good laugh, too.

 

Yes, this sucks for Matt, but life will go on for everyone in the end.

[Promoter 0]

Plus, Cena has stated there is more to the story than what the fans know. I don't know how he would know, but he is apart of the company. I've always stated that we are only getting Matt's version.

[krease 0]

This is the greatest animated gif EVER!

Ummm...that was out of place...and not *that* funny...

[Guest Fook]

JR was hilarious at the end, just going off about how Edge has ruined Kane's marriage and how Lita was a harlot.

 

I'm surprised he was able to go that long without calling her a jezebel.

[CanadianChick 0]

I dunno, even knowing it was coming seeing the actual thing on TV did actually make me kinda sick to the stomach. It's not because I was ever a Hardy Boyz fan or because I hate Edge, it's just that the situation at hand is pretty close to a situation in my personal life early in this year. I mean we all knew it was coming, but to actually see it come off on TV was just fucking wrong. Sorry to those who think "STFU it's just an angle" it's just downright fucked up they'd steal a real life storyline and turn it into this; with Kane now supposed to be playing Matt. Seeing Lita and Edge making out and shit just seemed worse than Katy Vick to me. I was screaming "Fuck RAW" I'm never watching again to my friends in response to the end. I know I'll watch again but it doesn't mean I'm legit. pissed off about what they have done here. It's just fucked up and disrespectful.

Vince took the screwjob and basically turned it into the Attitude era. Do you find that sickening? A man lost his job and was betrayed by a man he trusted, just to make a profit. It was scummy, yes. But it made money. WWE is ultimately a business, and it has a remote chance of making money, WWE will do it.

 

And to a lot of fans, ie not Hardy fangirls/boys and the IWC, this is just a storyline like Jericho/Trish/Christian. I don't see how you can expect Vince McMahon, of all people, to be respectful of this situation.

[Promoter 0]

The funny thing is Lita shouldn't even be a heel for doing this. Kane raped the damn girl and also caused her to have a miscarriage, yet JR is screaming bloody murder

[razazteca 0]

That's why Kane is now the #2 heel on RAW.....the Edge is #4 heel and that is generous.

[GreatWhiteNope 0]

Most users ever online was 166 on May 16 2005, 11:23 PM

 

Hey - that beat the previous record from Wrestlemania XX.

 

Guess that makes this thread a success.

[tominator89 0]

So, where do we go from here? All this work just to job Edge to Batista next week?

[CanadianChick 0]

So, where do we go from here? All this work just to job Edge to Batista next week?

Well yeah. They're not giving him the title. One hot angle per wrestler.

[krease 0]

That's why Kane is now the #2 heel on RAW.....the Edge is #4 heel and that is generous.

Kane's a heel? Coulda fooled me...

[claydude14 0]

I dunno, even knowing it was coming seeing the actual thing on TV did actually make me kinda sick to the stomach. It's not because I was ever a Hardy Boyz fan or because I hate Edge, it's just that the situation at hand is pretty close to a situation in my personal life early in this year. I mean we all knew it was coming, but to actually see it come off on TV was just fucking wrong. Sorry to those who think "STFU it's just an angle" it's just downright fucked up they'd steal a real life storyline and turn it into this; with Kane now supposed to be playing Matt. Seeing Lita and Edge making out and shit just seemed worse than Katy Vick to me. I was screaming "Fuck RAW" I'm never watching again to my friends in response to the end. I know I'll watch again but it doesn't mean I'm legit. pissed off about what they have done here. It's just fucked up and disrespectful.

Vince took the screwjob and basically turned it into the Attitude era. Do you find that sickening? A man lost his job and was betrayed by a man he trusted, just to make a profit. It was scummy, yes. But it made money. WWE is ultimately a business, and it has a remote chance of making money, WWE will do it.

 

And to a lot of fans, ie not Hardy fangirls/boys and the IWC, this is just a storyline like Jericho/Trish/Christian. I don't see how you can expect Vince McMahon, of all people, to be respectful of this situation.

I don't find that sickening because a man lost his job to make 3 million or whatever in WCW.

I don't expect the WWE to be respectful either; we all saw this coming pretty much from the beginning of the Gold Rush.

Just to finally see it on the air was a bit personally disgusting; only because I was in a situation close to Hardy's. It's like seeing the girl that betrayed myself after 3 years with the man I thought was my friend. This won't make money; but yes I see why they did it. It's just sickening to me personally.

[CanadianChick 0]

Clay, had it not happened to you, would you find it sickening?

[Guest Rrrsh]

That's why Kane is now the #2 heel on RAW.....the Edge is #4 heel and that is generous.

Kane will be and is a face and Edge in the #1 Heel.

 

 

But close....

[tominator89 0]

I dunno, even knowing it was coming seeing the actual thing on TV did actually make me kinda sick to the stomach. It's not because I was ever a Hardy Boyz fan or because I hate Edge, it's just that the situation at hand is pretty close to a situation in my personal life early in this year. I mean we all knew it was coming, but to actually see it come off on TV was just fucking wrong. Sorry to those who think "STFU it's just an angle" it's just downright fucked up they'd steal a real life storyline and turn it into this; with Kane now supposed to be playing Matt. Seeing Lita and Edge making out and shit just seemed worse than Katy Vick to me. I was screaming "Fuck RAW" I'm never watching again to my friends in response to the end. I know I'll watch again but it doesn't mean I'm legit. pissed off about what they have done here. It's just fucked up and disrespectful.

Vince took the screwjob and basically turned it into the Attitude era. Do you find that sickening? A man lost his job and was betrayed by a man he trusted, just to make a profit. It was scummy, yes. But it made money. WWE is ultimately a business, and it has a remote chance of making money, WWE will do it.

 

And to a lot of fans, ie not Hardy fangirls/boys and the IWC, this is just a storyline like Jericho/Trish/Christian. I don't see how you can expect Vince McMahon, of all people, to be respectful of this situation.

I don't find that sickening because a man lost his job to make 3 million or whatever in WCW.

I don't expect the WWE to be respectful either; we all saw this coming pretty much from the beginning of the Gold Rush.

Just to finally see it on the air was a bit personally disgusting; only because I was in a situation close to Hardy's. It's like seeing the girl that betrayed myself after 3 years with the man I thought was my friend. This won't make money; but yes I see why they did it. It's just sickening to me personally.

It's pro wrestling, calm down.

[Carnival 0]

I even heard some little kid tell his dad who was sitting behind me, that Lita was gonna go with Edge and screw Kane.

 

Even the marks knew about the turn. Thats why nobody cared. Then the douche bags behind me kept saying that Matt Hardy is still signed and he's gonna come get Edge.

 

Then to top it all off, one of the guys gets on the phone and tells someone to tape RAW and tape Smackdown on Thursday cuz WWE just taped Smackdown before RAW. I just looked at him and shook my head.

[claydude14 0]

I dunno, even knowing it was coming seeing the actual thing on TV did actually make me kinda sick to the stomach. It's not because I was ever a Hardy Boyz fan or because I hate Edge, it's just that the situation at hand is pretty close to a situation in my personal life early in this year. I mean we all knew it was coming, but to actually see it come off on TV was just fucking wrong. Sorry to those who think "STFU it's just an angle" it's just downright fucked up they'd steal a real life storyline and turn it into this; with Kane now supposed to be playing Matt. Seeing Lita and Edge making out and shit just seemed worse than Katy Vick to me. I was screaming "Fuck RAW" I'm never watching again to my friends in response to the end. I know I'll watch again but it doesn't mean I'm legit. pissed off about what they have done here. It's just fucked up and disrespectful.

Vince took the screwjob and basically turned it into the Attitude era. Do you find that sickening? A man lost his job and was betrayed by a man he trusted, just to make a profit. It was scummy, yes. But it made money. WWE is ultimately a business, and it has a remote chance of making money, WWE will do it.

 

And to a lot of fans, ie not Hardy fangirls/boys and the IWC, this is just a storyline like Jericho/Trish/Christian. I don't see how you can expect Vince McMahon, of all people, to be respectful of this situation.

I don't find that sickening because a man lost his job to make 3 million or whatever in WCW.

I don't expect the WWE to be respectful either; we all saw this coming pretty much from the beginning of the Gold Rush.

Just to finally see it on the air was a bit personally disgusting; only because I was in a situation close to Hardy's. It's like seeing the girl that betrayed myself after 3 years with the man I thought was my friend. This won't make money; but yes I see why they did it. It's just sickening to me personally.

It's pro wrestling, calm down.

Yes, it's Pro-Wrestling. I realize that. But it's an angle walking the fine line between a real life situation; and a real life situation that is close to one I've experienced. Of course I'd be a little worked up over it but just as I called myself out on earlier; I'll still watch RAW.

I guess it's good they are emotionally tying in some fans, but whatever. I still think tonight went a bit further than needed when establishing Lita and Kane together. They were eating each other's faces.

[tominator89 0]

I was uncomfortable watching Trish bark like a dog, Foley getting his head beat in my Rock's chairshots, and seeing Molly get her head shaved but I survived.

 

Real life issues have always been used in wrestling. Remember Lawler bringing up Jake Roberts' alcoholism or CM Punk bringing up Raven's drug past. Even something like Heyman's promo on Vince during the Invasion regarding his feeling that Vince turned ECW into WWF: Attitude was based on real life emotions.

[claydude14 0]

Clay, had it not happened to you, would you find it sickening?

No, in that case I'd probably find it funny. I'm just venting personal distate with the situation.

[LooseCannon25 0]

Well, somebody isn't happy with the Lita/Edge angle.

Those fans on that site might be the biggest collective group of nuthuggers ever. The only thing sickening is how tightly they're all latching on to Matt's scrotum.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Clay, had it not happened to you, would you find it sickening?

No, in that case I'd probably find it funny. I'm just venting personal distate with the situation.

Dude, if you admit its FUNNY if it didnt happen to you, then dont come on here and say how bad it was. Thats just non-sensical, brotha.

[tominator89 0]

What gets me is that Matt and Lita weren't married for 20 years with children and all that stuff. They were boyfriend/girlfriend and it ended. These things happen all the time. I'm sure Matt will have no problem finding someone else.

[claydude14 0]

Clay, had it not happened to you, would you find it sickening?

No, in that case I'd probably find it funny. I'm just venting personal distate with the situation.

Dude, if you admit its FUNNY if it didnt happen to you, then dont come on here and say how bad it was. Thats just non-sensical, brotha.

I dont find it funny that it happened to Matt since it did happen to me as well; but yes if the case never happened to me I admit it'd be funny/no problem because I wouldn't see the situation so personally. I don't assume most people have gone through anything like this; although I'm sure some have because relationships end through cheating all the time. But whatever you know. I'm just saying that due to a personal experience it's wrong to me to be displayed in the manner it was; but even despite that I most likely won't turn off RAW. I'm just trying to make a few understand why it might seem so wrong to some people. But you know, whatever. I'll get over it and Matt Hardy will and in the end this whole angle won't make any money unless Matt comes in too.

[Guest Rrrsh]

I am not sure why you think we can't feel your emoption of betrayel if it didnt happen to us. Shed some light? Cmon, your just bitching. An emotion of betrayel is very common amongst people, you dont have to have a 100% parrell situation for it too affect you.

[Promoter 0]

So, where do we go from here? All this work just to job Edge to Batista next week?

Well yeah. They're not giving him the title. One hot angle per wrestler.

This also came to my mind. We could have got HBK/Benoit this week and then one of those two facing Batista next week, but we got to endure this Lita/Edge crap some more in the main event. Oh yeah, isn't it funny how HHH stays off RAW when this heel turn happens? If I didn't know better I would think he's staying away, so his heel heat won't be scooped and no I'm not a HHH basher like most of the net, but this does seem pretty ironic. I still think they need Matt Hardy for this thing to even really fly the way they expect past a few weeks(Like say next week more like it for the reasons stated by CarnivalizComing).

[claydude14 0]

I don't know maybe I'm just a being a fag but if something didn't parallel me so directly I probably wouldn't care. I know most people have an idea of betrayal, it's just very ironic to find a wrestling "backstage situation" and/or (and in this case) angle to reflect it almost directly. I don't doubt I'm probably bitching too much and I'll generically blame that on the alcohol. But whatever. I guess good for WWE for being able to connect on such a personal level. Good for them for getting me worked up on the internet 3 hours RAW went off the air.

[Karc 0]

Why are people surprised? This is what WWE does. They don't want Matt back, but they won't just let all of that great heel heat vanish if it means fooling the marks into buying an angle. So this was the best way to do it. Put all of the "We want Matt" stuff into Kane. If it stick, great. If not, par for the course for Kane in his annual "bad angle" scenario. The way Lita's been making out with heels the last two weeks, they clearly want the "slut" chant to return, because it is a generic heel chant and thus Mat Hardy can be completely forgotten.

[Guest CronoT]

It's despicable, because they fired Matt for bringing this shitstorm public, and now, they're going to use the fact that it's public knowledge to make money.

 

It's like beating up some random guy while recording it on video tape, and then selling the tape.

 

Not only are you making someone suffer, but you're adding to his/her suffering while making money off it, too. Why do you think Bum Fights is banned just about everywhere?

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Crono, dude, get the fuck over it.

 

Vince runs the show. Matt did something he shouldn't have, going public on his website and affecting characters & storylines that Vince created.

 

Vince having Edge & Lita make out on screen is his way of making an example. Don't fuck with his company. Or it'll get rubbed in.

 

Plus, Matt loses steam with the non-internet marks that may attend indy shows.

 

Matt: "Lita & Edge screwed me! Edge wrecked my relationship!"

 

Marks: "What's he talking about? Edge stole KANE's girl! This is stupid!"

 

Vince...evil incarnate and a beautiful businessman.

[Guest Lawlerm]

Well, somebody isn't happy with the Lita/Edge angle.

The guy really needs to get a grip. War is a tragedy. People dying from starvation is a tragedy. A grown woman cheating on her boyfriend is NOT "a real life tragedy".

 

He needs to get on with his life IMO.