HHH's Motivation

[Epic Reine 0]

I agree with the sentiment that HHH just needs to fued with someone in the mid-card for a while and have nothing to do with the world title. I would say with Christian if he wasn't going to Smackdown. Like what's been said, he's more than likley gonna get the title back at Vengeance which is a shame considering it'll make Batista's WM vistory seem like a joke. All last year post mania, HHH has been involved in theworld title scene. Let's look at last year:

 

WM20 - Loses the title to Benoit in a triple threat also involving HBK

Backlash - Rematch from WM with Benoit making HBK tap out

Bad Blood - Wasn't in the world title picture but his HIAC match with Michaels was the main event of the show and the fued dominated Raw every week anyway.

Vengeance - Once again in the main event title picture, losing to Benoit after interference by Eugene.

- Had a rematch with Benoit for the title on Raw in an iron man match and lost once again due to Eugene interference.

Summerslam - Beats Eugene

-Unforgiven - Beats Orton for the world title and dominates the rest of the year, losing the title in a controversial decision following a triple threat match involving Benoit and Edge only to win the title back again during the first week of 2005.

 

So the only time last year that HHH wasn't world champion or in the world title picture was the 2-3 week fued with Eugene. That's sad. I just think HHH should be in a extended fued with someone and just stay out of the world title picture for now so new contenders can be made.

[Sass 0]

Does Triple H, because of the quad injury, see himself as more mortal than ever, and that's why he's trying to milk whatever he can out of his career/legacy, and that's why he pulls the shit he does?

Maybe.

 

Athlete's can't see weaknesses. They're supposed to be perfect at what they do. Any imperfections can send one spiraling into a depression or increase their insecurities.

 

HHH's first major knee injury in late '98 probably rattled him badly. But the '01 knee injury collapse in the middle of a match was probably a complete mind fucking.

[Dandy 0]

Not to mention that in his line of business, HHH needs to be on the active roster to make the most money. Athletes in most sports have guaranteed contracts where they make a high dollar bottom line no matter if they are injured or not. Sure, there are incentives or cases like Kellen Winslow II or Jay Williams, but a wrestler's income varies greatly with his position in the company, level on the card, merchandise, PPV revenue, and such.

 

I know that if I were HHH, and I almost lost my career with the quad injury, I would not only be slightly scared it or something similar could happen again, but also try to make the most money I could before my career was over.

[The Decemberists 0]

But Trips doesn't need to make money; the McMahon's do have some spare cash floating around somewhere you know...

[The C Man 0]

Is this what the bitching was like when Austin was all over the shows back in the 'good old days'?

[Epic Reine 0]

Difference is Austin was 1. A great worker and 2. Drew a lot of money

[The C Man 0]

In some people's opinions Triple H was (and maybe still is) a great worker.

I'm sure during his (extremely) long run at the top of the card that Triple H has also drew a lot of money.

I'm not trying to justify Triple H being all over the shows or comparing him to Austin, I'm just trying to play Devil's Advocate here. Austin was the reason I got into wrestling in the first place.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

And Austin was over the shows for 2 years tops, HHH has been over the shows for about 6 years.

[The C Man 0]

Good point. Six years, damn. Until you think about it you forget how long it's actually been. Where have all the years gone?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

People may come back with "Well Hogan was on top for 8/9 years", but that wasn't in the age of Monday Night television (and Thursday Night television) and monthly PPV's. HHH got waaaaaaaaaaaay more airtime in his 6 years than Hogan did in his 9. Actually, in 1 year HHH probably got more TV time than Hogan from WM 1 - KOTR 93. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that one guy should get that much time on top, with the same character, doing the same things... for 6 years. And there is no end in sight.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

His spot is absolutely justified. Sure, he needs time off and the like but to not give the guy credit as one of the biggest draws in the history of the business is crazy.

 

So wait...because he managed to draw money during the WWF's hottest year, while wrestling some of the WWF's biggest draws, that somehow makes HHH a draw?

 

I could have drawn money wrestling Austin or the Rock in 2000. HHH just happened to be there at the time.

 

I wouldn't put too much credence in the WM XXI bit either. Yeah, the show did big numbers, but if you think those numbers are soley due to HHH, you're nuts.

 

Question: Has HHH ever drawn big money based on his appearance alone? I mean, you can't give him the credit for drawing well with Austin and the Rock, because, like I said, anyone could have done that. Also, while not anyone could guarantee big WM numbers, the fact that it's WM does guarantee at least a decent number.

 

So, was there ever a PPV built soley around HHH that actually did good in both ticket sales and buyrate? Because I really don't think you can consider him one of the best draws ever, considering he's not even in the same league as Hogan or the Rock. I mean, those guys are household names; does anyone who doesn't watch wrestling know/care who HHH is?

[JasonX 0]

Everyone is forgetting Triple H's REAL motivation: he's a selfish little shit who thinks he DESERVES to be on the top regardless of his ruining the WWE these last four years. WORSE he's utlra-fucking paranoid skullcunt shitface regarding the fact that he might lose his his "God" status if anyone else is given a chance to become popular, since HHH is still a bitter cuntface regarding the fact that both Steve Austin and The Rock both became INSANELY popular in spite of the WWE marking HHH as their top guy.

 

Anything else is just Triple H's way to cover up his evil, cancerous nature. He doesn't give a fuck about the WWE being around and surviving for future decades, he's purposely burn the company to the ground and run it out of business that give up the spotlight....

[CBright7831 0]

Not to mention he's made himself to be the most decorated wrestler of all time.

 

+ Grand Slam Champion

+ WWE/World Champion (10)

+ IC Champ

+ Tag Team Champion

+ European Champion

+ Royal Rumble Winner

+ Wrestlemania Main Event (5)

+ Retired Mick Foley

+ Defeated Stone Cold Steve Austin (clean)

+ Unmasked Kane

+ '97 King of the Ring

+ Married to Stephanie McMahon (daughter of WWE Owner Vince McMahon)

+ Formed Evolution and Degeneration X

+ Managed by Ric Flair

+ Praised by Hulk Hogan

+ Hell In The Cell (undefeated)

+ 2-1 in the Elimination Chamber

+ Acted in Blade 3

 

Of course, he did some of this stuff back when I actually liked him.

[Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0]

Um, shouldn't that 6 man HIAC match at Armeggedeon 2000 count as lost for HHH?

 

 

Oh and he was a guest star on Mad TV.

[CBright7831 0]

Um, shouldn't that 6 man HIAC match at Armeggedeon 2000 count as lost for HHH?

 

 

Oh and he was a guest star on Mad TV.

Don't worry, Triple H and the WWE have also forgot about the 6-Man HIAC match in 2000 as have many people.

[Promoter 0]

This is my honest take on HHH. He hasn't forgotten the Madison Square Garden incident and he is making sure nothing like that happens again where his career suffers. Seriously. I don't rag on the guy as much as the net does, but he is getting beyond ridiculous with the main event scene. HHH is a main event guy and has the tools, but his monster push doesn't match his drawing power or talent imo. The guy is/was a good wrestler and somewhat of a draw, but anyone who has watched the mighty wwf years in the last 20 years knows this guy is a joke champion trying to place himself with Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, The Rock, and Steve Austin. People may rag on the masses, but I can bet money A LOT of friggin people off the net don't see HHH in their league. My friends who watched the HOF ceremony on tv were really PISSED how HHH's face was always shown. My friends who aren't even die-hard smarks know he is married into the family and believe me that is what some people see him as. One of my friends said the look on HHH's face when Hogan got the fan response seemed to be like he wishes he will be loved like that in the future, but I highly doubt it especially if he just tries to break Flair's record. HHH's only way to manufacture this legend status with the wwf holy trinity and the NWA/WCW's greatest poster boy is to create this legacy on raw. A lot of people believe he is manufactured and is even trying to surpass Shawn Michaels. There was a time when people were saying all he was doing was copying HBK and to some extent in DX he was a copycat in promos, but that's another story.

 

I've read comments by HHH himself in those spotlight magazines that he wanted to be the Babe Ruth of the wwf. That Vince gave other wrestlers chances, but they never really took him up on it. This magazine was released just a few weeks before Hogan signed back with the company in 2002. Don't think it's just coincidence the man was bulked up like Incredible Hulk in 2002 when Hogan made his comeback. In that same magazine, HHH ripped on Hogan as just being a puppet of Vince Mcmahon and a poser. He belittled Hogan in the mag for no reason. That's why all this crap I see with him praising Hogan now seems hollow imo. Hogan returned and BLEW HIM AWAY as a face. Austin's heel turn flopped and he also blew HHH away as a face. The Rock was still above him as a face as well. HHH probably didn't want to turn face last fall for the Orton program because of how badly he stunk up the joint as a babyface in 2002. He knows he can't win the contest for the most over babyface of all-time when he is clearly leagues behind Hogan, Austin, and Rock. So, we won't see him in a face role of that magnitude again. He jobbed to Hogan at Backlash 2002 because even Vince wasn't blind to the opportunity of milking Hogan's last title win. Of course, HHH went along with it because he would get a win over Hulk Hogan later on to add to his resume, but honestly who remembers that and everyone knows Hogan in his prime would destroy HHH in a traditional feud anyways.

 

Vince Mcmahon chose HHH as the future of the company in 2002 because Rock was leaning towards movies and Austin was all banged up(HHH went over Austin in 2001 and Rock in 2000). There was a reason why Austin and Rock were booked the way they were. Vince was really trying to position HHH as the top guy and look what has happened ever since. The buy-rates and tv ratings have fallen. It's not all his fault, but with putting him as the focal point it has made business drop. You really can't point to 1999 as being HHH being a massive draw when you take things into context. HHH WAS NOT OVER when he first got the title. That is why Austin made that veto for SummerSlam and it was turned into a triple threat. HHH still went over Austin that year at No Mercy or something. The guy didn't get over until the Rumble match with Foley. The funny thing is HHH probably makes all kinds of excuses for guys like Benoit, Golberg, Orton, and Batista being champions without really giving them a REAL CHANCE like he got in his initial main event championship days. Add to that Foley was retiring and at his peak of popularity along with The Rock. The whole angle that got HHH over for good was breaking a tradition at Mania by going over two of the biggest babyfaces on the planet bar Austin that year(wcw didn't have anyone as the nWo fad long past). People say Hogan was in the right place and the right time in the 80's, but I beg to differ. HHH was in the right place in the right time with the added luck of Steve Austin being out of the picture because I've read rumours that the WM 17 storyline for Austin was planned for WM 16 with Rock's growing popularity.

 

They did monster business for those months, but right after KOR '00 things started to slide. The Rock's popularity was not the same for obvious reasons such as not beating HHH for the belt, but Vince Mcmahon. Kurt Angle was rising as the top heel, but we know what happened there and when you take into account what I said above it's obvious why HHH put himself back into the picture as a heel against the returning Austin. It's the same damn deal perhaps why he didn't turn face the night after Mania 17 when fans were begging for it. The 2 man power trip was a smart way of having Austin play second fiddle. Really study HHH and the wwf since he's been on top and you realize he's done much more damage than what Hogan did in wcw imo. It's just that the wwf is so well run and it also split into two that ratings and attendance aren't even worse than they are. Hell, HHH has even scored the biggest coup by having Flair and HBK(two men many always called the greatest ring performers of the last 20 years) kissing his ass. It's really coy when you look at it. HHH has made it seem like he is the "evolution" of the business. Sure he's married to Vince's daughter, but he knows all too well how wrestling relationships end up and he could just be securing his spot in history by running things now. I totally agree this guy is being selfish and disguising the whole thing as doing what he feels is right for business. The numbers showed Benoit was getting good numbers as champion. Orton was also being groomed very well and all wrestling logic and booking was thrown out the windo with how they made him champion and kicked out of Evolution. He made Evolution his group when it should have been the other way around with Orton being the youngest in the clan. HHH even makes his own damn matches on the show.

 

With all that said, I think the guy is valuable and just needs to take a damn chill pill and allow others to main event. The ONLY time this guy is not involved in the main event or the title chase since 1999 has been the time he has been injured with his quad. THAT IS RIDICULOUS when comparing him to Hogan, Austin, and Rock's run at the top. Hogan held the title for 4 years in a time when the last babyface wore the title for 6 years. Hogan however was not ALWAYS the main event storyline or championship level scenario on television weekly. Austin was not also given this monster push this long either EVEN when he was rising in 1996 and 1997. The Rock the same.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

For the record, Austin never refused to put Hunter over at Summerslam in 1999.

[Promoter 0]

Well, that's what his buddy HBK allegedly proclaimed in rumours as he thought HHH should have won. With HBK's past at the time and having Vince's ear I can believe it's possible that Vince might have HHH win especially since he was the pet project(My Time). If it isn't true, why didn't they just have HHH go over Austin the night after on RAW? I already know the excuse about having Jesse Ventura raising the hand of a heel champion to end the show(funny how that was excused for the second biggest show of the year, but at Mania it was pulled off with the generous Rock). Austin jobs the month before he has to go do surgery seems like a forced job to me. By the time NWO 2001 came around HHH had enough star power to get a clean win(Austin even claimed that things were different as Vince wasn't listening to him as before).

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Mankind was put in the mix because Austin was banged up, and it was felt that that would mean he and Hunter would be unable to have the ****+ match that was expected.

 

HBK's comments got him both heat and derision, because it was felt he was the last person who should have a go at anyone for not wanting to do a job.

[Promoter 0]

HBK in this scenario IS RIGHT because he was in much worse shape when he put AUSTIN OVER at WrestleMania 14. People were expecting a star bonanza with that match before it got out that HBK was banged up too. You didn't see them put another wrestler in there with that excuse.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

The points remain that Austin NEVER refused to do the job, and HBK still isn't in a position to have a go at anyone for refusing to job.

[Promoter 0]

Can you PROVE Austin never wanted to do the job?

 

It could be just like HBK didn't know anything about the screwjob

 

I mean, people were saying Austin didn't want anything to do with Hogan, yet this week on the LAW Austin said he would be open to doing a match with the guy if the money was right. Austin even praised Hogan for having the greatest run ever. This is completely opposite from what people were inferring with Austin and Hogan around Mania time this year.

 

So, I guess it wasn't possible for Austin vetoing a program with Jarrett as champion that year either right?

 

I'm an Austin mark, but we all know the guy isn't an angel. That is why I don't vilify HHH as much as the rest of the net because all the top guys play dirty politics at one time or other. For the record I think Austin was right with both HHH and Jarrett.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If Austin had genuinely not wanted to put over Hunter, it would have come out long ago, if only when everyone and their mother was looking to make Austin out to be the devil for hitting Debra.

 

And Austin at one point didn't want to do anything with Hogan, but they long ago cleared things up, and he's fine with it.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

When it comes down to trusting HTQ or Shawn Michaels, I go with what God tells me.

 

[Promoter 0]

Long ago was LAST MONTH. The rumours were flying last month about Hogan and Austin having too much ego to be in the same building. Yes, I know it's rumours, but you never know(it was clearly false). I usually try to tie things up with what is presented on television. In 1999, Austin was the top babyface champion and they wanted HHH as the top heel. It made no sense to see HHH go over Mankind on RAW the night after SummerSlam. Then in October Austin jobbed to HHH and the company starts promoting a triple threat match they knew wasn't going to happen. They knew to help give HHH's reign credibility he had to go over Austin before he went for surgery. What choice would Austin have in that case? The ironic thing is in 2000 HHH did not give Rock's reign from KOR credibility by having him go over Vince Mcmahon. It could just be a case of stupid booking as well.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Mankind dropped the belt to Hunter the next night because they wanted Hunter to have belt at Summerslam, but had to put it off, but they didn't want to put it off for long, so they did the title change the next night.

 

In WWF's defence, they only knew that Austin wouldn't be at SurSer about a week or so before. Sure, they could have done more once they did know he wouldn't be able to wrestle, but for most of the build up, everyone thought he would be there.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

HHH is exactly the reason why I still motivate myself to watch shitty SD show after shitty SD show.

[Guest JerichosHi-Lite]

I have my own opinions on Triple H and his spot. Triple H has been my third, maybe second, favourite wrestler of all-time since his early DX days. But in 2003 even I started to resent how much he was on TV and how much he held the title. It takes a lot for somebody who was (and still is, really) a huge HUGE fan and admirer of a guy to start resenting him. I even started to groan, in the room on my own, when he came out.

 

But even though I resent how much he's on TV, I do honestly think WWE needs him. Well not NEEDS him, but is better with him. He's a legitimate main eventer, even though people hate him, fans, marks and smarks, take him seriously, he understands wrestling, he loves wrestling, he's talented, he can work, talk, understands psychology. WWE DOES need him because its already lost Austin, Foley, Rock, Taker won't be here long, who knows when Kurt'll go, Hogan's not getting the title again, they let Goldberg slip away from them when he could've made them monster money. The only other lasting main-eventer I can think of is Michaels.

 

Despite what some people may say, HHH is extremely talented. His matches 2004-present are extremely watchable, he is a good heel, he's charismatic (I think he is anyway) and has a position as top heel that could make stars. But that's where the problem starts. He's not making any stars.

 

I think H does deserve his spot as top dog on Raw and should stay there as long as his body allows him to deliver in the ring. but booking himself over every jobber and HHH-jobber on Raw isn't going to achieve anything. What he needs to do is push younger stars. Imagine what a clean victory over Triple H, title or no title, would do for Chris Jericho. One big step towards saving his dwindling career.

 

So I believe the problem is not that he's at the top spot but what WWE's doing with it. If they booked him to where he's actually helping the company and helping younger stars. I'd like to see them change this, but it's unlikely.

[Silence 0]

So I believe the problem is not that he's at the top spot but what WWE's doing with it. If they booked him to where he's actually helping the company and helping younger stars. I'd like to see them change this, but it's unlikely.

So you're saying that it is SOLELY WWE's fault that guys like Jericho, Benoit, RVD, etc. are buried by HHH, instead of HHH himself being responsible for it with his politics AND WWE allowing him to use them? News to me.

 

Edit: Forgot to look at the above paragraph. My apologies. As long as HHH is in power, though, it'll seem almost impossible for WWE to get him to put over anyone that's meaningful in the long run, won't it?

[Si82 0]

HBK in this scenario IS RIGHT because he was in much worse shape when he put AUSTIN OVER at WrestleMania 14. People were expecting a star bonanza with that match before it got out that HBK was banged up too. You didn't see them put another wrestler in there with that excuse.

Didn't Shawn Michaels refuse to do that job until Undertaker threaten to knock the shit out of him if he didn't?

 

As for Triple H, as much as I hate the guy and what he has done over the past few years he does need to be kept in the top spot until they can build new stars. Triple H is one of the few guys on Raw who is seen by fans as a real superstar. He need to put people over and fast. WWE need new guys on top and Triple is one of the guys to help do that.

 

However, it's never going happen is it? I mean not even Pat Patterson could talk some sense into Vince McMahon regarding Triple H and the writers are just a bunch of gutless cowards who wouldn't dare to put anything new forward because Triple H's wife is the head writer.