The ECW ONS Thread

[cabbageboy 0]

I don't think the initial buyrate really matters here. I think the buzz after the show about how good it was is what matters. With that you'll get people buying the DVD, that sort of thing.

 

Also, I had a wild thought. Anyone else think that the ECW faction could become a sort of NWO type group? Just wreak havoc all over WWE shows, Heyman takes over commentary for the hell of it, they attack people for no reason other than they are WWE guys. It presents some problems though since ECW has been positioned as a face in this whole deal, whereas in such an invaders angle they'd have to switch to being heels.

[Downhome 0]

You cant order a ppv that early.

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I ordered the show yesterday.

[Aero 0]

I'm still debating whether or not to order. The show looks great on paper, but the invasion part is sort of lame. If it's kept to a minimum of one major segment that lasts about 20 minutes, tops, with WWE getting their asses handed to them... then it has potential, I suppose.

 

Tazz had better choke Angle out, also. That's really the only aspect of the invasion I'm interested in seeing. If and when it happens, I get the feeling that Angle gets drafted to Raw the next night or something, unless they really want to have him continue to feud with Tazz. Like someone suggested Sharmell beating Angle last week, it would be a proper embarrassing good-bye... kind of.

 

Yeah, so I'm leaning towards ordering it, but I would have to go through the trouble of going down to Comcast and getting a digital box for the night since I just got rid of it a few weeks ago.

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

Tazz had better choke Angle out Sunday. He's been one of the most over people the last couple weeks, and if they let Kurt get the better of him and the ECW wrestlers, then the PPV was a waste.

[Downhome 0]

Just order the show, fuck it, it'll be better than pretty much any normal WWE show if you ask me. This will be the best PPV in a very long time, I've got to the point where I really believe that.

 

I know people who haven't ordered a PPV in years who are dishing out the money for this one.

[Guest JRE]

...HH got me thinking. Is there any reason Mick Foley wouldn't be at this?

[Fro 0]

...HH got me thinking.  Is there any reason Mick Foley wouldn't be at this?

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Foley is pretty much confirmed to do commentary with Joey Styles.

[GreatWhiteNope 0]

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2005/06/11/1081788.html

 

RVD primed to talk

 

By TJ MADIGAN - Calgary Sun

 

At ECW One Night Stand, Rob Van Dam will be given the chance to do something he hasn't been allowed to do since signing with WWE in 2001 -- He will pick up a microphone and talk.

 

"I never get mic time to showcase myself," Van Dam told the Calgary Sun this week. "WWE fans don't know RVD can talk because, even when I am on the mic, I get two ridiculous lines to read. I get to say 'that's cool' or something."

 

But at the ECW event, which goes out on pay-per-view tomorrow night, the man they call Mr. Monday Night will have no script to follow, no censors to deal with, and no qualms about telling it like it is.

 

"It's my chance to tell the fans I hear what they're saying," Van Dam said. "I hear them saying 'RVD, WWE is holding you back', 'RVD, they're not letting you do your s---', or 'RVD, what do you think about Shane McMahon stealing your move?'. I'm going to tell them, yo, I hear you. It's going to be a heart to heart out there."

 

One thing that's clear from talking to Van Dam is his genuine desire to connect with his followers.

 

"I count on my fan base to support me," he said. "If I could just do an autograph session with a big line of fans every day, I wouldn't even care if I wrestled again. The fans realise the conditions that are put upon me, and still appreciate what I'm able to produce within those guidelines. I trust them more than I trust a pencil pusher that thinks it's a good idea to have an invasion at the ECW pay-per-view."

 

Pencil pusher? It's not the term most WWE wrestlers would use to describe company management -- at least not in a WWE-sanctioned interview with a WWE media rep sitting a few feet away -- but this is vintage Van Dam. He's blunt, brutally honest and raw in a way WWE's Monday night franchise could never hope to be.

 

"I'm a genuine guy and that's something that's always earned me my fan base," Van Dam said. "My nature is to be straight and to say these things that other wrestlers won't. With the amount of controversy that I get credit for on my interviews, it's amazing that no one in WWE comes to me with reports from it. Although I don't think they even listen, or else they would know that I can talk and would give me a microphone more often."

 

Despite his strong opinions on the booking of his character, Van Dam chooses to stay out of the political wrangling behind the scenes in WWE.

 

"I'm not someone that's going behind that closed door in the office, pitching ideas on how to cut other people's throats and how to stomp their careers down so I can get ahead. When it comes to whether a guy with these initials (HHH) is really holding me back, I hear the fans, but I stay away from that."

 

However, when RVD returns to action in August -- he's currently recuperating from major knee surgery -- the question is whether WWE management will finally give him the main event spot he deserves.

 

"I wouldn't mind having a little more respect," Van Dam said. "I wouldn't mind if RVD was missed so much that they wanted to spend a little time actually showcasing me. Not that they're going to know how to do it correctly, but if they give me a little room, I know how to do it myself."

 

Until then, he's happy to be involved in tomorrow's pay-per-view, celebrating the ECW brand which first put him on the map.

 

"One Night Stand is going to be a pivotal night in the history of the industry," he said. "I would miss Wrestlemania and a whole year of wrestling just to be there."

 

Despite his injury, Van Dam says he may be fit enough to do more than just talk, if push comes to shove.

 

"I'm doing some amazing stuff in therapy," he laughed. "And I know I feel good enough to kick somebody in the face."

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Wow...sounds like RVD doesn't care too much about staying in good wtih McMahon at this point.

 

As far as people complaining about the WWE guys being involved in the show...I agree to an extent, but I also think Heyman realizes that the event shouldn't happen "in a vacuum." Would it make sense if just the former ECW guys were aware of, and appearing on, the show? Not really.

[cabbageboy 0]

I have two reactions to this RVD thing, both of which are on the extreme end of things. First, he is liable to just go out and trash anyone and everything to the point where they end up firing him soon after. Second, Vince and Co. could just listen to it and take it in stride and make it part of a major storyline once RVD gets back.

 

I used to read RVD's hilarious webchats on his website, god those things were scathing and funny. Stuff during the Barely Legal era where he wasn't booked and basically went out and said "Fuck the PPV."

 

RVD circa 1998-99 was the coolest wrestler. He'd talk all sorts of shit about his opponents as a FACE (or at least I assume he was a face, the crowds cheered him), he did some of the most wild and flamboyant things in the ring, he was hilarious and dangerous. Hell, the real RVD makes Cena seem like Vanilla Ice in terms of coolness. The real Van Dam is too raw for the WWF Attitude era, with the blatant pot promotion, the profane promos, etc.

 

I think this could be as big as his tirade at the Barely Legal PPV, where he trashed ECW and said he was too big to stay there and wanted to showcase himself on Mondays to the highest bidder. For newer fans who are used to the laid back, almost silent RVD on WWE TV, they'll get a kick out of this.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

RVD'd profane promo's pale in comparison to the works of Mike Awesome and Rhino.

[Guest Ronixis]

RVD from 1997-2000 was the best in his weight class. He could BEAT anybody. (and even the higher eshsion WWF stars, via the Invasion angle, I still think Austin passed the torch to RVD on that Smackdown when they faced off, much to the shagrin of my buddies.) Like I posted before, Vince needs to hear the brutal truth- and the rest of the company needs to learn. Its the only way Vince is ever going to fix his company on a semi-perment basis. Cena is only one tenth of what RVD is, and hes going to know that Sunday. HHH is no where near the class of Benoit, Gurrero...or even Tommy Dreamer on his best days, and hes going to know that on Sunday. JBL is going to know on Sunday, Kurt, Edge, Christian, Carlito, Morgan... all going to KNOW- that they cannot CONTINUE to langush and be lazy for every long. HHH, can be way better than he IS. Hes not because is full of it. Cena KNOWS hes better, but he WWE big man style needs tweeking badly. The WWE lacks heart. Period. ECW will show them the heart it had or close to it. Its up to WWE to respond or die off, period.

 

And when RVD does come back in August (maybe earlyer) where ever he goes, he better just be himself, and FIGHT like hes the greatest living wresler alive outside of Liger. Period.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I remember when that level of markdom was alive and well in me.

 

BTW, RVD didn't even cause a blip on the radar of top ten workers from 1997-2000, regardless of weight class.

[King Cucaracha 0]

...HH got me thinking.  Is there any reason Mick Foley wouldn't be at this?

 

Money.

 

That would be the only reason, since he was (and regularly does) apparantly asking for a whole bunch. Although, how reliable that is, I'm not sure.

 

And when RVD does come back in August (maybe earlyer) where ever he goes, he better just be himself, and FIGHT like hes the greatest living wresler alive outside of Liger.

 

 

I'm an RVD fan (probably because I enjoy spotfests), but RVD can only DREAM of being a fifth of Liger in terms of wrestling. What he did from 97/01 worked for him brilliantly. He was one of the top talents in America. He was never near best 'wrestler', but he was a very good entertainer and probably the best at entertaining in the ring.

 

To compare him to Liger is pretty funny though.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

This promo is the defining moment of RVDs WWE career.

 

He's either going to throw the last bit of dirt on the amazing burying job that the WWE has done since 2001...

 

Or he's going to give his character a whole new life blood that they can...well...bury again I suppose.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I'm hoping for dirt.

 

He caps it all off by revealing that HHH and Steph occasionally "switch roles" in the bedroom and runs off through the crowd while security chases him, all the while doing the RVD thumb-pointing.

[Guest nokia]

Anyone thinking that RVD will have the attention of the "whole wwe" tomorrow and that he'd be in every sort of trouble if the McMahons + HHH has theire way ?

[Guest *KNK*]

You do realize if Vince McMahon was so concerned about this, he'd just pull the plug on it. Vince McMahon clearly knows what RVD will say and won't care.

 

Triple H is already characterized as a mainipulative man in control of the WWE. What damage can HHH endure? NONE.

 

that is why Vince has no problem with this, it wont hurt his son in law's perception to the masses.

 

It's just a ruse to get the ecw faithful's panties in a bunch, because RVD's going to be saying the same shit he's said in other public forums before and the same stuff that didnt cause him to get fired yet.

 

Triple H won't be bothered by this because he controls RVD's future and it would only give him more heat anyways.

 

You tell me what Vince and Co. have to lose by giving RVD 10 minutes of open air.

[humongous2002 0]

Well either the (worked?) shoot interview at ONS is going to make him or break him, RVD is in the doghouse for life and he's been there since he "injured" HHH's larinx back in 2002 so he shouldn't give 2 shits if he gets in trouble or not.

I'm an RVD fan (probably because I enjoy spotfests), but RVD can only DREAM of being a fifth of Liger in terms of wrestling. What he did from 97/01 worked for him brilliantly. He was one of the top talents in America. He was never near best 'wrestler', but he was a very good entertainer and probably the best at entertaining in the ring.

It seems somebody jumped into the RVD bandwagon.

[Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0]

I'm hoping for dirt.

 

He caps it all off by revealing that HHH and Steph occasionally "switch roles" in the bedroom and runs off through the crowd while security chases him, all the while doing the RVD thumb-pointing.

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If that happened tomorrow, it would be the best PPV ever. I'm more excited and intrested in this than HHH retaining the World Title (oh wait Batista is the champ...) in the HIAC. ECW will out do Vengeance in buys.

[Scroby 0]

Tazz had better choke Angle out Sunday. He's been one of the most over people the last couple weeks, and if they let Kurt get the better of him and the ECW wrestlers, then the PPV was a waste.

 

You know honestly, I think Tazz could have been one of the most over guys in the WWE today if he'd had stayed in the ring and maybe stayed away from the Hardcore divison, when he first came in. If things happen a bit differently for Tazz after he came into the WWE I think he would be one of the most over guys today.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Like people have said before, it's a credit to the man that all he has to do is stand up and take off the sunglasses to pop the fuck out of the crowd. It's a mark of a good character when certain things are imprinted in the fans mind.

 

Did he ever officially retire?

[RedJed 0]

Just as an FYI - from this week's Torch....

 

"Coach and Al Snow will be cohosting the Extreme Heat pregame show on Spike TV this Sunday before the ECW One Night Stand PPV show"

 

Just out of curiousity, do you think Extreme Heat will be the usual WWE style hour long pre-game show for the ppv or will it actually be an interesting show of its own with live matches from the ppv as well?

 

If they did give Heyman and Dreamer the power to book this as well, this could be way better than any Heat show ever...who knows. For what its worth, Snow is supposed to be on the ECW show, so he could go completely ECW babyface here against Coach, even setting up a match with them to lead into the ppv?

[Papacita 0]

Did [Tazz] ever officially retire?

Not on air, but I remember WWE.com doing an article back in 02 where he pretty much said that he was done. He basically said he lost passion for wrestling, as when he and Spike won the tag belts in MSG he didn't have butterflies in his stomach.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Is Vince going to be at least backstage? It'd be wild to see him addressing an ECW crowd.

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

Did [Tazz] ever officially retire?

Not on air, but I remember WWE.com doing an article back in 02 where he pretty much said that he was done. He basically said he lost passion for wrestling, as when he and Spike won the tag belts in MSG he didn't have butterflies in his stomach.

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I remember reading that as well. But retirements in wrestling last for two to three years tops. Whenever a wrestler says he's "retiring", I never believe it.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Tazz's neck is fucked up, too. He needs the neck fusion, but he's put it off since he's not an active wrestler.

[Precious Roy 0]

Is "Extreme Heat" going to be live from the Hammerstein, or will it be done in studio? It would be pretty cool if they do it live...

[cabbageboy 0]

Let me comment on that post about RVD being the best in his weight class. I think that was meant as a comment on "Who would win what match?" dream scenarios. As in "Who would win between Eddie and RVD?" circa 1998 or so. RVD would have. Or Benoit, anyone. Hell aside from possibly Bill Goldberg circa 1998 there was no one who was more unbeatable.

 

With RVD on SMDN he should in theory be away from the HHH crap that kills Raw. Let's face it, without Cena on SMDN there really won't be shit in terms of a main event scene and I doubt Batista/JBL will rivet anyone. If RVD rants and raves and goes in a totally new character direction the main event on SMDN is a big pussy waiting to be fucked. Hell, an edgy tweener RVD could defend the title on SMDN against Eddie, Benoit, Rey, etc. and it'd be great. Compare that to Batista likely coming over, having a shitty feud with JBL and the Cabinet. Anyone wanna argue this?

[DMann2003 0]

I really want to order it but I'm having trouble figuring out how to hookup my VCR through my current digital cable so I can record, now-

 

Anyone have a VCR with AV and coaxil outputs

Have a digital cable receiver

and a TV with multiple video outputs

 

if so, how do you hook your VCR up to record from the cable