X3 could be in huge trouble

[Rendclaw 0]

This is just sad. I hope most of it is not true.

 

I thought that Halle Berry was overkill, particularly for the role that Storm has.

 

For something like X-Men, everyone has to have a chance in the spotlight during points in the movie. I think the only thing they really did in X2 was develop Wolverine some more, and show just how much of an evil badass Magneto was. Everything else was just filler, IMO.

 

And Lushus my brother, don;t even get me started on Daredevil. I went on a big enough rant on it after I saw it.

[Anakin Flair 0]

I'll defer judgement untill I have confirmed set report, a confirmed script, and/or a trailer to watch. Besides, I won't believe that most of the actors involved wouldn't pull out if the script is to terrible. Balley doesn't want another Catwoman, Jackman doesn't want another Van Helsing, McKellen and Stewart wouldn't do something that would depart too far from what the story has been set at already.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

No matter if they mess it the third, we'll still have the brilliance that was the first two movies. But that's me, though.

 

The article seems insanely lengthy and I certainly don't have the time. (Sam Fisher occupying my thoughts lately).

 

Having read the discussion though... Storm and Wolvie? WTF?!?!?!? If there's going to be *any* romance with Storm (which there shouldn't be, but...), why not do the smart thing and go Storm and Kurt? They seemed to have a start of something in X2.

 

Cyke dies? .....Ya know, this hardly brings a reaction from me. I love all the characters, really I do, but in the movies, Cyke has been so...so... dull. Granted, he shows wonderful emotion at the end of X2, but for the most part, he's always doing one of three things: 1)wimpily fighting with Logan; 2)being all lovey-dovey with Jean; 3)acting as the leader. He does all three really well, sure, but... bleh.

 

Personally, I'd love bigger roles for Pyro, Rogue, Kurt, and Magneto instead of the weather *coughbitchcough* witch getting expanded screen time. Maybe they'll let her fly this time. I like her, the character, but Halle Berry pisses me off with her ego.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about the addition of Beast. (For a good laugh, I suggest checking out the thread on imdb; it's so amusing how the immature posters equate sophistication and intelligence to homosexuality.) I know virtually nothing of Kelsey Gramamr so I'll simply wait to give my judgement.

 

Gambit... okay, what I wanna know is, why is he such a fan fave? Sure, he's cool - thievery, staff, wild cards - but why is he always made into such a big deal? Again, I'm not denying that he has a cool power, but he's not that interesting. At least to me, anyway.

 

No matter what, though, I don't think there could be a better opening to a movie, even X3, then Kurt's attack on the White House. Seriously... that was beyond amazing.

 

Yes, I am a Nightcrawler fangirl. How could you tell?

[Precious Roy 0]

Gambit... okay, what I wanna know is, why is he such a fan fave? Sure, he's cool - thievery, staff, wild cards

 

I think you just answered your own question. People like Gambit because he's a classic anti-hero, and he has an aura of mystery to him so as you never quite know where he stands. I mean seriously, most of the X-Men are so square, a gambling, thieving rogue from the Latin Quarter spices things up a bit.

 

And having Gambit as a Magneto stooge is lazy writing, he'd be much better playing both sides.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

Hm, perhaps I did. ^^ Fun, fun.

 

But here's an interesting tidbit that I wish to inquire about: Alan Cumming/Nightcrawler. Is he in X3 or no? I read on his site the following:

 

EX X MAN!! Alan will NOT be appearing in X3. Fox has not picked up his option to play Nightcrawler for a second movie.

 

No Alan in X3? That coupled with the extremely lame schedule for filming - I heard/read six to seven weeks - is two negatives already.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Fucksakes. There goes my last lingering shread of hope for this movie.

[starvenger 0]

Gambit... okay, what I wanna know is, why is he such a fan fave? Sure, he's cool - thievery, staff, wild cards

 

I think you just answered your own question. People like Gambit because he's a classic anti-hero, and he has an aura of mystery to him so as you never quite know where he stands. I mean seriously, most of the X-Men are so square, a gambling, thieving rogue from the Latin Quarter spices things up a bit.playing both sides.

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The funny thing about Gambit is that he was never "officially" an X-Man until X-Men #1 - much like Jubilee, he was kind of a hanger-on until then. And actually, he was pretty cool up until that point - because afterward they basically made him into a straightforward hero and it didn't really work for his character.

 

But here's an interesting tidbit that I wish to inquire about: Alan Cumming/Nightcrawler. Is he in X3 or no? I read on his site the following:

 

EX X MAN!! Alan will NOT be appearing in X3. Fox has not picked up his option to play Nightcrawler for a second movie.

 

No Alan in X3? That coupled with the extremely lame schedule for filming - I heard/read six to seven weeks - is two negatives already.

Aren't he and Singer tight? That's the conspiracy theorist in me talking.

 

Anyways, Nightcrawler as they've envisioned him in the movie has been developed similar to the cartoon version, meaning that he doesn't have to be in the movie if they don't need him. Plus if what's going on with Mystique is true, then the one money plot they can use with him is wasted.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

"The funny thing about Gambit is that he was never "officially" an X-Man until X-Men #1 - much like Jubilee, he was kind of a hanger-on until then."

 

Wrong. According to the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: X-Men, 5 volumes that came out in the mid-90s.

 

He debuted in UXM 266. I'd have to check the handbook, but his status as an official team member begins at X-Tinction Agenda, I believe.

 

Remember, after the Siege Perilous, with the team splintered, it was pretty much "stay with us or go away" for membership, with the exception being those awful "Muir Island X-Men" (Moira, Strong Guy, etc.) that Shadow King enslaved, who are not official team members.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

Aren't he and Singer tight? That's the conspiracy theorist in me talking.

 

Found here:

 

Cumming is actually happy that Singer won't be back, though he would not elaborate why. "I’m not disappointed, I can’t deny it. I think he’s really talented. I’m very proud of the film. I think it’s a great film. I didn’t enjoy working with him; I don’t really want to talk about that, but I didn’t particularly enjoy the experience."

 

Besides that, Alan's journal entry mentioned that it was Fox's decision, not his.

 

When I looked that article up, I found another on the casting, dated January 30, 2005:

 

"I signed for two films, so I'm going to. The last I heard is that we're starting on the 20th of June, but they don't have a script or a director yet so that may be pushed a little bit. But they have to release it in May of 2006 for some reason so it's gonna be shot in the summer," Cumming said.

 

*sigh* If only it were true. I suppose Alan's very own site would be the best source, and the most current. But, perhaps they'll do a last minute thing as with X2?

 

I know Alan really, really, *really* hated the make-up aspect... so why not intro the image inducer? Could be fun.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

From Canmag:

 

Exactly a week ago we posted that people have gotten a hold of the movie script for X-Men 3 and that there were already reviews of it online [read here]. The reviews claimed that the script was pretty horrid, with only a few scenes that deserved honorable mention. However, after reading the script reviews I stated 'I still question whether or not the script reviewed was the old X3 script, which supposedly contained a lot of the events mentioned in the review.'

 

X3 Review on Old Script

It seems that I was correct. The X3 script that had gotten around the internet was not the latest script that Ratner will be running with. Instead, the script reviewed was a much older script that had been given the cut about four months before this latest script came into play. What this means is that the new script is probably much better, but we also probably had to throw out the mutant sex. What can I say, it is a give and take.

 

Thanks to IESB who took a closer look into this old-X3-script-review fiasco.

 

So, are things looking good again for X-Men 3? With Fox cutting characters like Alan Cumming's Nightcrawler.. who the heck knows.

[tommytomlin 0]

Nightcrawler was a great character, but there needs to be room made for new characters. X-Men 2 is one of my favourite movies because it managed to give a dozen or so characters solid, interwoven stories. But there is a limit to how many stories you can tell in a movie. Keeping all the characters from X-Men 2 and adding Beast, Juggernaut, Angel and a new villain, plus expanded roles for Shadowcat and Storm, plus Wolverine's story, plus Dark Phoenix, plus whatever else they chuck in is already a large chunk of movie.

[Black Lushus 0]

I, personally, was hoping for Colossus to get screentime as he's one of my favorite X-Men...

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

Nightcrawler was a great character, but there needs to be room made for new characters. X-Men 2 is one of my favourite movies because it managed to give a dozen or so characters solid, interwoven stories. But there is a limit to how many stories you can tell in a movie. Keeping all the characters from X-Men 2 and adding Beast, Juggernaut, Angel and a new villain, plus expanded roles for Shadowcat and Storm, plus Wolverine's story, plus Dark Phoenix, plus whatever else they chuck in is already a large chunk of movie.

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Hence a problem with the franchise; trying to do far too much at once. Why do they need to add more characters, particuraly such CG-heavy ones as Angel, Beast, Juggernaut, and Dark Phoenix? Same for Shadowcat. Teleporting and angelic self-mutilation make for a far more interesting character than 'oh, lookee here, I'm going through a wall. Like, so cool!'

 

Adding Beast to the mix just seems so ridiculous. You already have two blue mutants, both well established characters from the first two movies... and they want another? Why??

 

And don't even get me started on Halle fucking Berry's expanded role. Really, she has far more ego than talent.

 

No matter what, it is highly, highly unlikely X3 will match up to X2. There's simply no way.

[starvenger 0]

"The funny thing about Gambit is that he was never "officially" an X-Man until X-Men #1 - much like Jubilee, he was kind of a hanger-on until then."

 

Wrong.  According to the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: X-Men, 5 volumes that came out in the mid-90s.

 

He debuted in UXM 266.  I'd have to check the handbook, but his status as an official team member begins at X-Tinction Agenda, I believe.

 

Remember, after the Siege Perilous, with the team splintered, it was pretty much "stay with us or go away" for membership, with the exception being those awful "Muir Island X-Men" (Moira, Strong Guy, etc.) that Shadow King enslaved, who are not official team members.

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Yes, that was his debut. Chris Claremont and Andy Kubert, with Jim Lee doing the covers.

 

(Note: Comics history alert. Scroll down for more comments)

Basically, that story covers what happens to Storm after she emerges from the Siege Perilous. I don't remember whether the Siege de-aged her or Nanny did, but the crux is that Nanny (think an egg with legs. No seriously) was after her as Storm was reliving her youth as a thief. Gambit rescues her, and they become partners in crime. Storm regains her memories, and they then go off looking for the other X-Men.

 

By the X-Tinction Agenda the "team" (such as it was) consisted of Wolverine, Storm, Psylocke, Forge, Banshee, Jubilee and Gambit. So basically, 3 "official" members, a part-timer, Forge, and Logan and Ororo's sidekicks.

 

Anyways, Storm got de-de-aged during X-Tinction Agenda, and then they took off to the Shi'ar Empire, re-hooked up with Xavier, and went back to Earth to rebuild the school. Well, after the whole mess with the Shadow King, anyways. It's at this point where Gambit (and Jubilee) officially becomes an X-Man (because up until then there hadn't been an "official" leader of the team). Right at X-Men #1, the start of the short-lived Lee/Portacio era.

 

(End comics history stuff)

 

Cumming is actually happy that Singer won't be back, though he would not elaborate why. "I’m not disappointed, I can’t deny it. I think he’s really talented. I’m very proud of the film. I think it’s a great film. I didn’t enjoy working with him; I don’t really want to talk about that, but I didn’t particularly enjoy the experience."

Insert "lover's quarrel" joke here.

 

In seriousness, I think it may have been the makeup and greenscreen work that Alan surely had to do to make Nightcrawler come to life.

Edited June 20, 2005 by starvenger

[tommytomlin 0]

Hence a problem with the franchise; trying to do far too much at once. Why do they need to add more characters, particuraly such CG-heavy ones as Angel, Beast, Juggernaut, and Dark Phoenix? Same for Shadowcat. Teleporting and angelic self-mutilation make for a far more interesting character than 'oh, lookee here, I'm going through a wall. Like, so cool!'

 

Adding Beast to the mix just seems so ridiculous. You already have two blue mutants, both well established characters from the first two movies... and they want another? Why??

 

And don't even get me started on Halle fucking Berry's expanded role. Really, she has far more ego than talent.

 

No matter what, it is highly, highly unlikely X3 will match up to X2. There's simply no way.

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I'm going to disagree with you r.e Beast, I don't think a character''s colour should preclude them from the movie, but you're spot on with every other point. When I say Nightcrawler had to be cut, it doesn't mean I agree. Should have been a maximum of two new characters in X-3, and Halle Berry's salary should have been put towards Sir Ian McKellen's craft services. Juggernaut and Shadowcat seem like horrible choices to me, that are just going to crowd the movie.

[Precious Roy 0]

I, personally, was hoping for Colossus to get screentime as he's one of my favorite X-Men...

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Agreed. I'd like to see more screen time for all of the X-Kids (Colossus, Shadowkat, Jubilee) who've only been bit players thus far. Writing out Cyclops and Nightcrawler kind of sucks, but with Beast and Angel joining and other characters potentially stepping up it could be a blessing in disguise. Realistically, as long as Wolverine is front and center most people won't care. I just hope they have a plausable way to eliminate those two, Cyclops especially because without Marsden around to play out his death scene it could come off bad. If it's "Poochie died on the way back to his home planet" in the first 5 minutes then thumbs down.

 

I'd also like to see Psylocke on screen, she was my favorite X-Chick, but I've pretty much given up on that

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

Insert "lover's quarrel" joke here.

 

In seriousness, I think it may have been the makeup and greenscreen work that Alan surely had to do to make Nightcrawler come to life.

Heh... yes, X-Men and X2 are full of TEH SUBTEXT~!. Bobby 'coming out' to his parents for instance. (Damn, if only that had been John.. then I could make a very bad flamer joke. Ah, well, such is life).

 

I'm going to disagree with you r.e Beast, I don't think a character''s colour should preclude them from the movie

I was speaking in terms of the main stream audience. With X-Men it was Mystique, then X2 added Kurt, and now X3 with Beast...lot of blue running throughout the series. I have nothing against Beast, the character.

 

Should have been a maximum of two new characters in X-3

That, in fact, fits the quota of X2. Pyro and Kurt were the two new mutant charas, Stryker being the new 'normal'. Yes, Pyro was in X1, but only for a minute or so.

 

Halle Berry's salary should have been put towards Sir Ian McKellen's craft services.

...Craft services?

 

And I agree with you on Juggernaut and Shadowcat.

[starvenger 0]

Halle Berry's salary should have been put towards Sir Ian McKellen's craft services.

...Craft services?

 

And I agree with you on Juggernaut and Shadowcat.

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Probably means whatever food and stuff Sir Ian wants. You know, whatever riders are in his contract...

[tommytomlin 0]

I was going to write tea and crumpets, I thought craft services was the lingo.

 

I should have stuck with tea and crumpets

[Precious Roy 0]

I believe it's Kraft services, as in Kraft foods, which runs a major catering racket

[starvenger 0]

I believe it's Kraft services, as in Kraft foods, which runs a major catering racket

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And own the Patriots?

[Anakin Flair 0]

I just had to post this-

From Buffy.nu:

 

Joss Whedon says Summer Glau did read for Kitty Pryde in X-Men 3

From Serenitymovie.com - 2005-06-30th - (Buffy writer & director)

 

Here’s an odd little story:

 

Summer did read for Kitty in X3. I know because she called me and mentioned she was going to and did I know anything about the character (there were no ’sides’ to study -- they had to get them when they came in). So the girl I turned into sort of a superhero in my movie was going to read for the character that most influenced ALL my girl-heroes, Kitty Pryde. Karmically funky. Anyhoo, she called me after and said it was very emotional and kind of like when she read for FIREFLY, she just got into a very intense groove. She started telling me about the scene she read and that’s when I realized WHY it was kind of like she read for FIREFLY. ’Cause (as you may know) it was a scene I wrote for Astonishing X-Men issue #5. I assume they just didn’t have sides ready and used that but this was like a karmic moebius strip, it was just too folded in on itself. In this time of odd, I turned to beer. (No I didn’t. Stay in school.)

 

I don’t know what the X-peeps are looking for -- or even if that other girl has really dropped out -- but for my money, Summer would make a wonderful Kitty. (And I don’t say that lightly.) As long as it doesn’t interfere with SERENITY II: RICARDO MONTALBAN’S STILL PISSED -- or, much more importantly, SERENITY III: SO VERY NUDE.

 

I have shared my tail. (Lord, that’s what I actually typed! I mean "tale"! What will people think of me?) No tail sharing. Oh so lame.

 

now off to make blinis!

 

-  j.

[JasonX 0]

Regarding Gambit joining the team; the issue that is considered the issue where Gambit joins the team is UXM Annual #14. It was published weeks before Gambit's first appearance and takes place chronologically inbetween UXM #267 and #270 (#268 is a filler issue and #269 is the "Return of Rogue" issue).

[dubq 0]

Regarding Gambit joining the team; the issue that is considered the issue where Gambit joins the team is UXM Annual #14. It was published weeks before Gambit's first appearance and takes place chronologically inbetween UXM #267 and #270 (#268 is a filler issue and #269 is the "Return of Rogue" issue).

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Man, I still have all of those in mint, I wonder what they're going for these days..

[JasonX 0]

Regarding Gambit joining the team; the issue that is considered the issue where Gambit joins the team is UXM Annual #14. It was published weeks before Gambit's first appearance and takes place chronologically inbetween UXM #267 and #270 (#268 is a filler issue and #269 is the "Return of Rogue" issue).

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Man, I still have all of those in mint, I wonder what they're going for these days..

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UXM #266 goes for around $50-60 and #267-268 around $10-20. UXM #269 books for around $10 and UXM Annual #15 goes around $5-10.

[Robert 0]

I got this of IMDB, so take this for what it is worth.

 

*SPOILERS*

 

Brett Ratner is spicing up the new X-Men 3 movie with the addition of his very own fantasy - a sex siren mutant who seduces her opponents rather than battles them. Ratner takes over from departing director Bryan Singer, who made the first two movies, and the Rush Hour film maker is determined to leave his mark on the comic book series. The new mutant has not yet been cast but unknowns Kate Nauta and Aya Sumika will reportedly audition. A source tells Pagesix.com the mutant will be, "An unbelievably hot and sexy hooker. Her super power is that she secretes a pheromone that helps her to seduce men. She can seduce anyone." The source adds of the auditions, "They are open to all ethnicities who are in their early-to-mid 20s.

 

Is this man trying to kill the X-Men franchise?

[AndrewTS 0]

I wonder if this character will have a huge, muscle-bound enforcer and bombard us with plant puns.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

That's it. For the good of this world an Brett Ratner Assasination Society must be created.

[teke184 0]

More proof that people who don't know squat about certain comic books shouldn't be directing those movies.

 

 

This just smacks of the cluelessness within the leaked Superman script that had shit like Lex Luthor also being an alien then getting into a huge wire-fu fight with Supes.

[Adam 0]

I wonder if this character will have a huge, muscle-bound enforcer and bombard us with plant puns.

 

You took the words right out of my mouth.