The return of Matt Hardy!!!

[UZI Suicide 0]

Holy fuck man. That was honestly one of the best things I've ever seen in wrestling. I'm shocked the WWE can still draw up something like this.

[Guest KingofHarts]

Honestly I have no clue whats real and whats worked but i can say this...When Benoit & Sullivan had there Shoot match (Over Woman) you could tell it was shot. Honestly unless the WWE issues an official statement saying this was all worked, I believe we all will be able to tell at the PPV. I firmly believe us Smarks on this board can tell the difference between a shoot and a worked shoot when it comes to the actual match...until then its gonna be all speculation.

 

As far as where the should go with his character. I've heard rumors he is gonna be a Punisher type character (i.e. You've taken everyting good in my life away from me now I have nothing to lose, so I'm on a suicide mission to take you down with me.)

[Guest]

You are a nugget.

[UZI Suicide 0]

http://rapidshare.de/files/2987682/hardy.mpg.html

 

Thats the video of Matt attacking Edge backstage.

 

Hard to tell but when he gets him on the ground it sounds like he's really giving him some stiff shots if you listen closely.

[snuffbox 0]

Some of you actually think this is a shoot?

[ANKLELOCK 0]

This....is....utterly.....and.....completely.....a.....work.

[UZI Suicide 0]

Some of you actually think this is a shoot? 

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I know it's a work, but at the same time I think Matt probably took a few liberties for himself when he got a few free shots at Edge.

[snuffbox 0]

Some of you actually think this is a shoot? 

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I know it's a work, but at the same time I think Matt probably took a few liberties for himself when he got a few free shots at Edge.

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You know, guys like Stan Hansen, Vader, Steiners, Bulldogs, Valentine, Benoit etc would sometimes use 'stiff' punches and chops and the like. Its not all that uncommon in wrestling, and is only used to add a sense of 'realism' to the action.

[art_vandelay 0]

It's easy to know that this is not a complete work simply because it is an established universal law that WWE writers can never pull off something this good.

 

It's a worked-shoot gone wrong. The cameras and crew were informed in general terms beforehand what would take place, but they didn't know what would come out of Hardy's mouth and they didn't know how real the situation would have gotten. I think it's likely that the crew were just confused as we were watching it.

 

There were just too many subtleties that I can never in a million years even attribute to a writer such as Paul Heyman.

 

You could see Edge and Lita get angry at the Agents after the first beating. No matter how "shoot" they were going for, they would never have the sense to tell Edge "after you get beat by Matt, act angry at our agents and act as if you felt like they knew what was happening and you didn't. Act like you were being screwed. Oh, and also say 'fuck' a few times. And let's not bleep them." You just simply don't go from pisspoor writing to such intricate and subtle depth over the course of one week.

[Styles 0]

New thought: Matt "appears in the crowd" at the TNA PPV. Ok, I need to go to sleep, I know.

[iggymcfly 0]

I think that the thing is that we all know this is a work, but it's so funny and easy to pretend it's a shoot that we all want to do it. From now on, let's just say that Matt hates Edge and let's leave it at that.

[art_vandelay 0]

That's how I felt about it. I just liked thinking about it so much that I didn't even want to look up the "truth" on the net. But after seeing the proof, or lackthereof, it really seems to me like the ones who are so adamant about this being a preplanned work are the real marks here.

[Guest QUP2CME]

Why is their no mention of Matt Hardy's return on the WWE.com?

[art_vandelay 0]

Why is their no mention of Matt Hardy's return  on the WWE.com?

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a) The nature of the angle, or b) They want it wiped out from our collective memories.

[snuffbox 0]

It's easy to know that this is not a complete work simply because it is an established universal law that WWE writers can never pull off something this good.

 

It's a worked-shoot gone wrong. The cameras and crew were informed in general terms beforehand what would take place, but they didn't know what would come out of Hardy's mouth and they didn't know how real the situation would have gotten. I think it's likely that the crew were just confused as we were watching it.

 

There were just too many subtleties that I can never in a million years even attribute to a writer such as Paul Heyman.

 

You could see Edge and Lita get angry at the Agents after the first beating. No matter how "shoot" they were going for, they would never have the sense to tell Edge "after you get beat by Matt, act angry at our agents and act as if you felt like they knew what was happening and you didn't. Act like you were being screwed. Oh, and also say 'fuck' a few times. And let's not bleep them." You just simply don't go from pisspoor writing to such intricate and subtle depth over the course of one week.

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And despite all this...they still kept the camera on Hardy/Police/agents all the way up the ramp, and caught his final comments clearly on the live mic. They didnt drag him away off camera at any point, and they actually went backstage via the ramp. They kept the live mic on the whole time...they went up the ramp...the camera NEVER panned away.

 

Dont be a 10 year old...its a work. Damn, this is funny.

[The Decemberists 0]

Anyone else think that it looked like Matt had been, shall we say, "working out" Scott Steiner-style?

 

What more proof do you need that he's definatly still a WWE guy

[art_vandelay 0]

Alright, I concede. I guess I tried to keep up the fantasy but it was just getting too hard. Damn you for breaking my 10 year old heart.

[Guest Shark]

Call me crazy but I think he was there for a work which turned into a shoot.

 

He obviously had to be invited backstage because he wouldn't just be wondering around without check. So he was invited for something - my guess is to either negotiate something or cut a promo for the Angelic Diablo if he is coming back.

 

Then he attacked Edge backstage - I think you could argue either way whether it was a work or a shoot. It looked like a shoot, he got some really stiff shots in and Amy seemed to be genuninely panicking about it. She looked on the verge of tears.

 

As for when he got to the ring, I think it was shoot from then on out definitely.

 

Him and Edge looked as though they were really going for each other outside - this didn't strike me as something worked. Their shots were stiff, everything about it suggested that the fight was pretty much real.

 

Then Matt went to the mic and yes, the WWE could have cut him off or gone to a commercial but why would they want to do that? As much as I dislike Matt Hardy and believe he is undeservedly so, he is popular. So why not let him speak? See what he's got to say? All publicity is good publicity according to Vince - he showed that with the blatant terrorist Hussan insensitivity (I'm not talking about the London bombs, I'm talking about terrorism in general). So they let him shoot but I don't believe anything he said was scripted. No way. First off, he seemed like he was a bit drunk. Secondly, it was too full of raw anger.

 

He said "Adam, you bastard!". Now he's breaking the Edge character by calling him Adam. To me, its like calling Hogan Terry or Triple H Paul. It would not be scripted to happen - no matter how big the story is on the Net. And if it was scripted, he'd have been required to work out his differences with Adam so they don't injure each other so he would know to call him Edge. Yet he didn't. Suggests a shoot to me.

 

The ROH mention. Although the WWE are on good terms with ROH to the best of my knowledge, I doubt they'd want another company pimped on their time. It was definitely a Matt line.

 

And then he shouts "screw the WWE". The WWE would not shit on their own product imo for Matt Hardy or anyone. That was real - in kayfabe Matt has no reason to hate the WWE.

 

Then, he was taken down hard by the guards and "police". Probably teaching him a lesson and dragged out of there. Yes, the camera was still on him because although I think it was a shoot, the WWE are opportunists. They'll use this in the future, even if it is a shoot. The WWE wouldn't of cut Matt simply because its not good for business. People want to hear what he has to say and he will be spoken about.

 

Now, people say the commentators silence and the lack of anything on WWE.com is a sign that we are being fooled online. I doubt it. The commentators seemed genuinely stunned. Even at the wedding episode, JR gave a stunned reaction. Now, it was nothing. I believe he knew Hardy was gonna be there and maybe coming out but he didn't know that things would go down like that. And the WWE's silence on the matter is unexplained because if they were not posting anything to do with Matt, why post Heyman's attack on Edge? I don't think the WWE are manipulating the Net - its not their market. Wanting Matt has dropped into an arena chant - if it was just the Net sounding off there would be no problem. But it looks like its filtered through to the marks now so if it was worked, the WWE would have nothing to gain by not posting info - even in kayfabe.

 

As for Matt being arrested, I believe that was possibly thrown in to make it seem more realistic. I think he was handcuffed and thrown out of the building legit but arrested? Nah

 

So that, in a nutshell is why I think it started out as something that could have been a work but then Matt Hardy screwed the WWE. He put his own spin onto the situation and did what he did.

 

I may be proved wrong one day but from what we have to go on, that is the conclusion I have come to

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

I think the Hardy firing, Edge/Lita "relationship", Matt "hating" Edge/Lita, Edge's wife's "shoot" etc. is all bullshit and a large work by the three of them to freshen their characters and have a hot summer angle.

[art_vandelay 0]

I think the Hardy firing, Edge/Lita "relationship", Matt "hating" Edge/Lita, Edge's wife's "shoot" etc. is all bullshit and a large work by the three of them to freshen their characters and have a hot summer angle.

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I think you want it to entirely be a work so that you can regain your faith in the WWE's ability to entertain us. Tonight was a great job but let's not get carried away.

[Fökai 0]

Some of you actually think this is a shoot? 

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I know it's a work, but at the same time I think Matt probably took a few liberties for himself when he got a few free shots at Edge.

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You know, guys like Stan Hansen, Vader, Steiners, Bulldogs, Valentine, Benoit etc would sometimes use 'stiff' punches and chops and the like. Its not all that uncommon in wrestling, and is only used to add a sense of 'realism' to the action.

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Everything up until this week was a shoot.

 

You don't think Matt planned on being a little snug with his punches?

[Guest Ransome]

Purpose two--To make Adam Copeland, Amy Dumas, and the WWE regret what they did to me, what they did to us.

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The irony is that what Edge and Lita 'did' to Matt Hardy made him more popular than he's ever been in his career and has inadvertedly put him in a high-profile feud when he would have surely been floundering in the midcard otherwise.

[snuffbox 0]

Damn, theres alot of misguided fuckers coming out of the woodwork tonight/this morning...

[Fökai 0]

Really. I can't see how anyone believes any of this was even a worked shoot. The last week, which includes the new commentary on Edge, as well as tonight's angle, was a complete work. Matt and Amy agreed to be civil to each other for the sake of the program, but he didn't say anything about taking liberties on Edge when he was able to.

[Enigma 0]

It's a total work now.

 

WWE.Com just posted an article on Matt, transcribing the message Matt had on the website.

 

Also, they announced that Lita would be on Wednesday night's Byte This to respond to Matt.

 

Woooooooooooooooooooork.

[Guest jumpingbombangel]

I think the Hardy firing, Edge/Lita "relationship", Matt "hating" Edge/Lita, Edge's wife's "shoot" etc. is all bullshit and a large work by the three of them to freshen their characters and have a hot summer angle.

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The WWE doesn't think that far in advance. The best stories always have written themselves, and that's what they saw in all this post-breakup drama. They would've been insane to let an opportunity like this pass them by.

 

Hope for their sake that the WWE can hold on to this and not ass it all up.

[snuffbox 0]

I want more conspiracy theories damnit!

 

I think its still a shoot because Matt could have easilly hacked into wwe.com. Plus, he said 'fuck', 'ring of honor', and used stiff punches...its gotta be a shoot I says!

[Black Lushus 0]

Purpose two--To make Adam Copeland, Amy Dumas, and the WWE regret what they did to me, what they did to us.

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The irony is that what Edge and Lita 'did' to Matt Hardy made him more popular than he's ever been in his career and has inadvertedly put him in a high-profile feud when he would have surely been floundering in the midcard otherwise.

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which is where he'll return once they've sapped one or two PPVs out of this lame fued...hopefully they cut all 3 of them once this is all over...

[redbaron29 0]

Thats right folks...hopefully the WWE will get some miles outta this fued...and then...thanks for comming Matt see you in the unenployment line!

[Guest jumpingbombangel]

I don't understand all the hero hate at thematthardy.com. Are these douchebags destined to be malcontents for the rest of their lives? Their idol does something that puts him more over than he's been in years and somehow they find a way to make this about them and how they feel betrayed. What the fuck ever.