Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 Back when he was on the Celtics, I LOVED David Wesley. I remember listening to almost every game the season they only won 15 games(and somehow didn't get the first pick, otherwise we'd have Tim Duncan) and he seemed to play so hard. I remember he even once played a whole game, all 48 minutes, and wondering how he wasn't on the All Star team. I think he ended up being part of the great Rick Patino release a thon which also cost us Rick Fox, although I never thought he was great. I'm also a fan of Tim Wakefield, because the knuckleball is just so cool, and he was the best pitcher for the Red Sox the year I got into baseball, 1995. Troy Brown has only recently been getting the love he deserves. Anyone else have players they love who get little/no attention? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 Wakefield gets a pretty good amount of attention and respect for a guy who you don't know what to expect from start to start. He could go 7, with 3 hits and no runs or he could go 3 with 9 runs and 15 hits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson G 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 My favorite basketball player of all time is Sam Perkins, if that says anything. I also really liked Olumide Oyedeji when he was playing for the Sonics. Seemed like he came on the court for 5 minutes in a game and racked up 5 rebounds, a block, and a couple of points. This was when Jerome James blew donkeys, mind you, so I was wondering why he wasn't starting with that kind of production. Hell, he was the third center behind Predag Drobnac for God's sake! I guess I'll have to live with the way Nick Collison, Reggie Evans, and Danny Fortson are playing now, though. Here's some from the Seattle scene: Underrated Sonics -Sam Perkins -Vincent Askew -Antonio Daniels -Reggie Evans -Detlef Schrempf -Dale Ellis -Olumide Oyedeji -Nick Collison -Danny Fortson -Ruben Patterson Underrated Mariners -Harold Reynolds -Edgar Martinez -Tino Martinez -Mike Blowers -Freddy Garcia -Carlos Guillen Other Underrated Players -Lance Johnson (MLB) -Dominique Wilkins (NBA) -James Worthy (NBA) -Rafael Palmeiro (MLB) -Harold Baines (MLB) -Fred McGriff (MLB) -Steve Smith (NBA) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2005 How is Raffy Palmeiro's hoops game? He seems tall and able to get a fair amount of points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2005 I always liked Perkins and Schrempf, they were good role players. I don't think Wilkins was really under rated, he was promoted to a pretty decent degree in the old NBA videos, I always thought Drexler got overlooked though, but I didn't see him much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted July 23, 2005 Steve Tasker of the Buffalo Bills, easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2005 Art Monk, sure he wasn't underrrated while playing, but idiots like Peter King and Dr. Z don't think he should be in the HOF, basically because he wasn't a loudmouth with an asshole-esqe personality. When you ask most receivers that are retiring in this era or veterns with a few years left, they say they looked up to Rice and Monk. Art Monk was automatic, he was a possession receiver sort of like Irvin, but much better IMO, it will be a fucking travesty if Irvin goes in before Monk, and no I am not only saying that because I am a Skins fan(and Dallas hater) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson G 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2005 How is Raffy Palmeiro's hoops game? He seems tall and able to get a fair amount of points. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks, I fixed that. I echo the sentiments on Art Monk, NoCalMike. I'd like to add: Rickey Jackson (NFL)-Saints Linebacker Mark Carrier (NFL)-Cleveland Wideout Rodney Hampton (NFL)-Giants Running Back/Kick Returner Dave Meggett (NFL)-Giants Running Back/Kick Returner Christian Okoye (NFL)-Chiefs Running Back Dave Krieg (NFL)-Seahawks Quarterback Bill Swift (MLB)-Mariners Pitcher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2005 Casey Clausen, when he was with Tennessee. Yeah, the commentators and media referenced his ability to stay cool in high pressure situations, but the dude was so much more than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2005 Steve Tasker of the Buffalo Bills, easily. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's routinely referred to as the best Special Teams, or one of at the Very LEAST, of all time. I wouldn't call that underrated, but I'm not saying that praise is undeserved either, because he was. I kinda get what you're saying though, he's like Rudy, except he didn't suck, so maybe deceptively good or overlooked is a better term. John Madden on the NJ Devils. He grew up on the same street I did, bonus points. Kyle Turley, he'd be a perennial pro bowler if other coaches didn't hate him so much. They'd love him on their team though. Not by the media, but by a lot of fans, especially on this board, Michael Vick. I'm with everyone that hates the fellatio ESPN gives him but on this board he gets way too much hate, especially considering he's only had like two or three full seasons in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vampiro69 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2005 I have to give props to the following players NFL Aeneas WIlliams-played in AZ for years and is finishing up w/ the Rams. I my opinion he should be in the HOF. Thurman Thomas: Was a great player, but always forgotten when talking about the best players Tom Waddle: WR for the Bears. Man would take an ass kicking on the field and sadly that ended his career MLB Carlos Silva: Doesn't get the K's but rarely walks a man Darin Erstad: The man plays 100% NBA Eric Piatowski Sam Perkins: Man could shoot the 3's Rex Chapman: The guy was fun to watch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2005 John Madden on the NJ Devils. He grew up on the same street I did, bonus points. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> About 30 seconds after I read this, my dad came in and told me that he was talking to the guy who lives across the street who said his daughter has a couple of friends from school over this weekend and one of them is Madden's sister. Weird. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2005 John Madden on the NJ Devils. He grew up on the same street I did, bonus points. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> About 30 seconds after I read this, my dad came in and told me that he was talking to the guy who lives across the street who said his daughter has a couple of friends from school over this weekend and one of them is Madden's sister. Weird. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> School as in College? Where do you live? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devo 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2005 John Olerud. He's always been a real solid player, both offensively and defensively. In his prime, he would consistently hit over .300 and be one of the best first basemen in the majors at the same time. I always admired his hitting style because he rarely ever tried to hit the ball out of the park; he was a pure line-drive hitter and had great success with it. Not to mention that he never started shit of any kind and always added to any team he was on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted July 24, 2005 Definatly agree with Meggat. As for current players, Matt Cooke and Bryan Allen for me. Plus Dan Morgan in the NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted July 24, 2005 I sort of get the feeling Curtis Martin has fallen off the map, I mean, he always seems to put up good numbers, but ask someone to name a Jet and you'll get Pennington 99% of the time. I, of course, know him better from his days with the Patriots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted July 24, 2005 Randy Bruer was the better player while at Minnesota than Kevin McHale. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 They're both pretty young, but Chris Gamble and Keary Colbert are both guys I really enjoy watching. Chris Gamble led the NFC in interceptions in his rookie year and Keary Colbert had a rookie year second only to Michael Clayton as far as wide receivers go, yet neither of them are hardly talked about anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 They're both pretty young, but Chris Gamble and Keary Colbert are both guys I really enjoy watching. Chris Gamble led the NFC in interceptions in his rookie year and Keary Colbert had a rookie year second only to Michael Clayton as far as wide receivers go, yet neither of them are hardly talked about anywhere. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Uh no Lee Evans would be 2nd only to Clayton.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 Most of the Red Barons from this season. Gavin Floyd, Pedro Liriano, Mike Bacsik, Eude Brito, Brian Sanches, Martire Franco, Kevin Hodge, Yoel Hernandez, Danny Sandoval, Chris Coste, Carlos Ruiz, A.J. Hinch, John Castellano, Anthony Medrano, Juan Sosa, Jim Rushford, Shane Victorino, Mark Budzinski, Buzz Hannahan, and Sean Fesh. A special nod to Fesh and Floyd, who were most gracious when I met them personally. Marlon Byrd of course, and I'll throw a nod to the recently retired Dan Giese. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 For the Bengals I would say TJ Houshmanzhdeh & Madieu Williams. TJ is a the antithesis of Chad Johnson, no blazing speed, no big mouth, but he makes a lot of big catches. Madieu Williams has a lot of Ed Reed like qualities of getting to where the football is at on the field. I thought he had just as good of a season as Johnathan Vilma, and I think if the Bengals pass rush gets better Williams will have a huge season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 As a habs fan I've always thought Oleg Petrov was a great second line scorer. I also think Pierre Dagenias of Montreal was underrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 Nick Boynton ... I remember being at a game his rookie year and Primeau cheapshotted a Bruin (yeah, big surprise there) ... even though he was unproven, smaller, and less skilled as a fighter Boynton went right after Primeau and dropped the gloves with him. He didn[t win the fight but held his own, and that's exactly what I look for in a hockey player: sacrifcing himself to defend his teammate. I was also a huge Ken Belanger fan, and was uber-bummed when he went to the Kings. And was even more bummed when his brain got scrambled in a fight and he had to hang up his skates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 (edited) Nick Boynton ... I remember being at a game his rookie year and Primeau cheapshotted a Bruin (yeah, big surprise there) ... even though he was unproven, smaller, and less skilled as a fighter Boynton went right after Primeau and dropped the gloves with him. He didn[t win the fight but held his own, and that's exactly what I look for in a hockey player: sacrifcing himself to defend his teammate. That's the line on P.J. Stock too, isn't it? Edited July 25, 2005 by Masked Man of Mystery Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 Yes and no, MMoM ... Stock was a pugilist, who was only in the league to fight. He had to fight against bigger and stronger goons, or else he'd have been useless to the B's. Boynton was (is) a skilled d-man that wasn't called up to fight at all ... he just did it because it was the right thing to do. Stock's someone I almost mentioned, but he really wasn't underrated as a fighter ... he got plenty of love, I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tully316 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 NFL Neil Lomax (Cardinals) Danny White (Cowboys) Dave Krieg (Seahawks) NBA Ron Harper (Cavs) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 Mike James. The Pistons never should have gotten rid of him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2005 Yes and no, MMoM ... Stock was a pugilist, who was only in the league to fight. He had to fight against bigger and stronger goons, or else he'd have been useless to the B's. Boynton was (is) a skilled d-man that wasn't called up to fight at all ... he just did it because it was the right thing to do. Stock's someone I almost mentioned, but he really wasn't underrated as a fighter ... he got plenty of love, I think. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stock didn't really add anything to the team other than fighting. His business was fighting and waving to the crowd before getting tossed in the box, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2005 Aramis Ramirez. Guy has stacked up an incredible season, but he still gets little press. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
