Fuzzy Dunlop 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2005 A Chicago-Anaheim ALCS is looking more and more likely every day. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh great, that's like the Marty Jannetty vs. Jim Neidhart of baseball matchups. And even worse, they're capital smallball offenders, so you can bet we'll be hearing about productive outs! Blah. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> White Sox small ball is a myth. It's been perpetuated because they have crappy hitters like Podsednik, Crede, and Pablo Ozuna starting every day, so they can afford to try lots of bunts and whatnot, but it's been proven already that they have a run scored via homer rate almost as bad as the Cubs'. The only reason the White Sox are winning is because of their pitching, which I'll admit is incredible, but I still think that to hang with Anaheim, Boston, or New York, they're going to have to score some runs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2005 Jeff Conine owes Jason Vargas a steak dinner, tonight. He totally blew that play in the outfield, costing Vargas three earned runs. I came home from work and the Marlins were up 7-0. Now it's 7-5... they better not lose this one. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They won't. It was a great inning, but the Cubbies are dead in the water. The last couple of innings featured Lee in position to tied it or put them ahead and both times, he struck out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2005 Just saw on ESPN.com that the Jays are shutting Halladay down for the rest of the year. Probably for the best, but it still pisses me off. Fucking Kevin Mench. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2005 Fuck. My fantasy team has as much luck as the Cubs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2005 Czech made fun of my team, comparing them to Marty Jannetty, despite the fact that he likes a team who is actually performing much worse than the team he just made fun of... get it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 Because outside of White Sox fans, not many people have a desire to see them win. You can hate the Cubs if you'd like, but even passive baseball fans want to see them win it all. Or at least, more than they'd like to see the White Sox win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big McLargeHuge 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 Matt Cain has been promoted to the bigs by the Giants today. Giants fans are pissing their pants in anticipation. I, personally, am not expecting the next Felix Hernandez (which is how a few Gents fans are touting him), but he's certainly got more upside than Bret Tomko. Outside of Noah Lowry's recent streak of brilliance, there hasn't been alot to be excited about, so I will gleefully welcome this with open arms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 That's fine, but my point is that until the Cubs do, he should keep his fucking mouth shut in regards to the White Sox. I get offended easily when it comes to that. It's like being a Bears fan (which I am) and making fun of the Eagles, despite the Eagles being heads and shoulders above the Bears. That's all I'm saying. I don't care if you and Czech like the Cubs, and I'm all for it, but please refrain from calling the White Sox slugs or whatever Czech was implying. Because it just paints him as a bitter Cubs fan that wants nothing more than to dress down the successful redhaired stepchild of Chicago. I'm sorry for sounding a bit bitchy, but that's just how I felt. And I do apologize for the Cubs low blow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 A few interesting points here. First, Nolan Ryan. Looking over win shares, the pitcher with the most win shares in the 1980s was Dave Stieb. I think that is slightly misleading though. Stieb had less win shares for his career than many of the other candidates, and it seems he comes out ahead just from the luck of where we set the boundaries. Before I continue, here are the top ten pitchers of the 1980s, according to win shares... 1. Dave Stieb (175) 2. Jack Morris (154) 3. Dan Quisenberry (153) 4. Bert Blyleven (139) 5. Charlie Hough (134) 6. Bob Welch (134) 7. Fernando Valenzuela (132) 8. Lee Smith (125) 9. Nolan Ryan (123) 10. Frank Viola (121) Two of ESPN.com's top five aren't even on the list. The leader in career win shares on the above list is not in fact Ryan, but Bert Blyleven. Nolan Ryan had some great seasons, but he never won more than 16 games a season in the 1980s. If you only focus on the '80s, it is clearly Stieb. Stieb went to six All-Star games in the decade and led the league in Adjusted ERA+ twice. Arm injuries ended his career prematurely, or he might have had a Hall of Fame career. It is also worth noting Dan Quisenberry on the list. Quisenberry walked 1.4 batters per nine over his career. What is not often seen however is that nearly half of those walks were intentional. In over 1,000 innings Quisenberry issued 92 walks, hit 7 batters, and threw just 4 wild pitchers. He ranks among the greatest control artists in MLB history, and not many people realize it. As for Ryan, he grew an aura because of his large strikeout totals. Everyone in the game feared and respected him, and sportswriters worshipped him. Ryan was an entirely unique pitcher. What hurt Ryan is that along with the strikeouts, he walked many, many batters. Twice Ryan walked over 200 batters in a season. He led the league in walks eight times. Ryan was never creamed however because he was so damned hard to hit. The walks did hurt Ryan's ERA however, as Ryan does not rank among the top 100 pitchers in ERA or Adjusted ERA. Let me address a point about the White Sox. They play in one of the most home run friendly parks in baseball. So if they score a disproportionate number of runs via the home run, it is not necessarily reflective of their strategy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 As an aside, the Mariners claimed Francisco Cruceta off waivers from the Indians. Cruceta has a great deal of potential, and I'm surprised Cleveland let him away so easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 Watching the Braves play the Braves is just...strange. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 Yea, I was flipping back and forth to the Braves game, and the uniforms were confusing the hell out of me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big McLargeHuge 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 Jesus H. Christ, Steve fucking Trachsel is no hitting this pathetic Giants offense. The only baserunner they've had so far is the fucking pitcher. Makes me fucking sick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 Enough with the jinxing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devo 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 Seriously. That's like three for the Mets alone this year. >_> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 >_> Yea, let's not do this. Oh and the Braves are just a very uninspired team offensively right now. And Hampton went on the DL. Again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 If the Braves keep this up Barron will need to return another hat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 I don't know where my Braves hat anymore just because it was really showing the effects of being worn everyday for 5 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 Jesus Christ even Inning-Endy Chavez has decided to hit for the Phillies tonight. After tonight, only 2 1/2 back in the division... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devo 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 >_> Yea, let's not do this. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Pretty sure I'm allowed to use whatever emoticon I wish (within reason) without being condescended to, thanks. Mets win 1-0 in San Fransisco after a fantastic return start from Steve Trachsel (8 IP, 2 H, 0 ER). Phillies are whomping the D'Backs (there's a surprise), so they won't gain any ground there, but are now within four of the NL East. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 What would happen if 3 teams tie for the Wild Card? A triple threat match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 What would happen if 3 teams tie for the Wild Card? Bud Selig's head explodes? Pretty sure I'm allowed to use whatever emoticon I wish (within reason) without being condescended to, thanks. No, sorry. But yea, the Braves really need to get their shit together. They seem to delight in getting the first two guys on, and then doing jackshit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 wait, the Brewers were wearing Milwaukee Braves uniforms against the Atlanta Braves?? I'm surprised that Selig would allow them to oh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 Matt Lawton close to being a Yankee, according to ESPN. I would imagine this is more of a defensive move than anything else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 wait, the Brewers were wearing Milwaukee Braves uniforms against the Atlanta Braves?? I'm surprised that Selig would allow them to oh <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yea, the Brewers were wearing Milwaukee Braves uniforms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest *KNK* Report post Posted August 27, 2005 What would happen if 3 teams tie for the Wild Card? A triple threat match? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm guessing they do a coin flip scenario with the winning team getting to host the winner of a game between the other two teams... I.E Yankees/Indians/A's all tie....Indians win the first coin toss, they host the winner of the Yankee/A's game...whoever wins that game play Cleveland the next day to determine the wild card spot. That would appear to be the logical move, it's either that or they use win/loss records... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fartsauce 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 Roy Halladay out for the year. It looks like the final nail in the coffin for the Jays this year unless a complete miracle happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 What would happen if 3 teams tie for the Wild Card? A triple threat match? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm guessing they do a coin flip scenario with the winning team getting to host the winner of a game between the other two teams... I.E Yankees/Indians/A's all tie....Indians win the first coin toss, they host the winner of the Yankee/A's game...whoever wins that game play Cleveland the next day to determine the wild card spot. That would appear to be the logical move, it's either that or they use win/loss records... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I did some searching, and here is the best I have at this point. If there is a three team tie, the three teams would be seeded according to their combined record against the other two teams. So if the three teams are tied, Oakland would play a game at Cleveland, and the winner would play at Yankee Stadium for the wild card. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 What would happen if 3 teams tie for the Wild Card? A triple threat match? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm guessing they do a coin flip scenario with the winning team getting to host the winner of a game between the other two teams... I.E Yankees/Indians/A's all tie....Indians win the first coin toss, they host the winner of the Yankee/A's game...whoever wins that game play Cleveland the next day to determine the wild card spot. That would appear to be the logical move, it's either that or they use win/loss records... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I did some searching, and here is the best I have at this point. If there is a three team tie, the three teams would be seeded according to their combined record against the other two teams. So if the three teams are tied, Oakland would play a game at Cleveland, and the winner would play at Yankee Stadium for the wild card. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If I remember correctly, There is a coin flip in case 3 teams tie for the wild card. The team that wins the flip gets a bye in the first game, and then the winner of the first game would host the coin clip winner for the wildcard spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2005 The season ends on a Sunday, and don't the playoffs begin on Tuesday? Would everything get pushed back a day or something and cause more logistical hell? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
