Hogan/Michaels Backstage gossip

[WrestlingFan4Ever 0]

Hunter had no problems with putting Hogan over, at least no problems that he made any noise over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, considering it wasn't exactly a clean job, it makes me wonder if it was changed.

 

 

Yeah but if you read Triple H's workout book he talks about the Backlash 2002 match and saying how he felt it was wrong for business for him to lose to Hogan and was COMPLETELY against it. But there was nothing he could do.

[Papacita 0]

You know, I'm a big Michaels mark, but if there's any truth to this at all, that's funny as hell.

 

Makes me wonder if they'll have any second thoughts about going through with Austin/Hogan at Mania.

[Guest Rrrsh]

The whole world knew Hogan was going to win, so this story isnt big news. But, that still dosn;t explain why they killed the big match vibe with the finish. They really shot themsleves in the foot with that.

[Guest deinly1]

I was hoping the mock was some "tweener" run for HBK where he's still an ass, not just his way of 'breaking the script' or however you would like to define it. So, assuming this is the 1 out of 10 Torch gets right, I guess he'll be 100% good guy HBK next week. Oh well.

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So was I, too bad we get to deal with Bible Thumpin HBK soon.

The sarcastic tone he used when talking about Hogan's in-ring prowess was pure old school HBK gold, even better than the larry king skit.

[Guest jackie fargo]

I've read so much about how HBK carried Hogan to a good match, well HBK is a outstanding performer, but last night his antics of overselling the big-boot was his way of making a mockery of the finish last night-

 

TO thier credit, they had an entertaining match and sent the fans home happy..

 

HBK needs to get over it-Hogan deserved the win-besides Hogan has two huge matches planned in the coming year-

 

Austin and Cena-which ever one happens first, Hogan needs to look strong-

 

The storyline with Hogan and Cena is going to be much like the Andre/Hogan match-

 

Hogan looked up to Andre and Andre felt disrepected because he was unbeaten and Hulk hadn't offered a title shot to him-

 

Cena and Hogan have been on TV together already, with the Tag matches, the Teen Choice awards and the Top twenty countown-also Cena was a big Hogan fan growing up, so the storyline is "already" there to have Hogan come out and challenge Cena-

 

Hulk needed the match more in terms of future matches..

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

It's either Austin OR Cena. They can't have two Hogan matches at Mania. That's when they want to do either match.

[Guest jackie fargo]

Mania-Summerslam-2006 -possibly? who knows, but if both can happen, I'm sure Vince will book those two matches sometime within the next 12 months..

[Guest deinly1]

It's either Austin OR Cena. They can't have two Hogan matches at Mania. That's when they want to do either match.

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Personally both matches sound appealing, IF the storyline is built properly. On one hand u have Cena- wanting to face his idol on the grandest stage of them all. On the other u have Austin- all that needs to be said is : golden age vs attitude era.

[Guest fanofcoils]

What about Randy Orton vs Hulk Hogan?

[BorneAgain 0]

What about Randy Orton vs Hulk Hogan?

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They won't waste Hogan losing before he faces Austin or Cena just to build up Orton.

 

Randy will kill Paul Hogan before he does Hulk.

[The Tino Standard 0]

A lot of people are roasting Michaels for his overselling against Hogan. Consider this: You are in a big-time, money match with a guy WAY past his prime. Even IN his prime, the opponent (Hogan) was a marginal worker (AT BEST). What do YOU do to make his offense look convincing?

 

Michaels knew he was in the ring with a very limited opponent. For as much of an asshole as Shawn Michaels might have been (or still could be, I don't know the man personally, so who knows), it seems pretty clear the guy prides himself on being able to make ANYBODY look good.

 

He knew he was booked to lose (not to mention lose in a way that made him look terrible: a chair shot, a low blow, two ref bumps and a superkick weren't enough to win, but one leg drop finished him). He was working with a limited opponent. The only hope he had of saving some face and trying to put on a watchable main event was to make Hogan's offense look like a million bucks.

[AndrewTS 0]

I think Tino has a good point.

 

Few people bashed Rock over the cartoony overselling in the X8 match. Of course, Rock oversells anyway in the rare instances he's getting knocked around a bit.

[WrestlingFan4Ever 0]

Good points Tino. I thought Shawn's selling added to the match and who cares if it was over the top. Hulk Hogan himself is over the top.

[Papacita 0]

A lot of people are roasting Michaels for his overselling against Hogan.  Consider this:  You are in a big-time, money match with a guy WAY past his prime.  Even IN his prime, the opponent (Hogan) was a marginal worker (AT BEST).  What do YOU do to make his offense look convincing?

 

Michaels knew he was in the ring with a very limited opponent.  For as much of an asshole as Shawn Michaels might have been (or still could be, I don't know the man personally, so who knows), it seems pretty clear the guy prides himself on being able to make ANYBODY look good.

 

He knew he was booked to lose (not to mention lose in a way that made him look terrible:  a chair shot, a low blow, two ref bumps and a superkick weren't enough to win, but one leg drop finished him).  He was working with a limited opponent.  The only hope he had of saving some face and trying to put on a watchable main event was to make Hogan's offense look like a million bucks.

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I think I see your point, and I didn't have a problem with Shawn's selling but I think that sort of logic is a little flawed because if anything, overselling Hogan's offense to the level he did makes it less believable (not that it's a problem considering the participants involved, but still). Also, overselling like that takes away from the guy giving the move and puts more focus on the move's receiver, so the idea of him doing it to make Hogan look good really doesn't hold up IMO.

[slabinskia 0]

Hogan/Cena will backfire on them.The fans will completely turn on cena in that match.

 

Hogan/Austin should happen in a larger arena and at a wrestlemania.It is the only match left that can draw a huge crowd.

[Sass 0]

Hail Hogan. He's still the king.

 

Him and Vince probably BUTT fucked at *least* once. They're like that couple that breaks up but always manages to get back together only to wish impending death on the other after they break again.

 

Rinse and repeat.

 

At least Michaels was given a rare reality check by the true king of cut throats.

[Fartsauce 0]

Would you rather the guy sell or not sell at all?

[Guest JMA]

At least Michaels was given a rare reality check by the true king of cut throats.

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Agreed. The remaining members of the Clique are powerless against the politicing of Hogan. This whole situation has got to be one of the funniest moments of the year in all of pro wrestling. It kind of makes me want Hogan to stay, but not that much.

 

You'd think that Triple H would've helped his "good buddy" out, though. He ultimately would've failed, of course, but there was no mention of him trying to help Shawn out at all.

[Sass 0]

Michaels should have just kicked Hogan in his bad knee...because God told him too.

[Guest JMA]

Michaels should have just kicked Hogan in his bad knee...because God told him too.

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"I did it for the Lord."

[NoCalMike 0]

A lot of people are roasting Michaels for his overselling against Hogan.  Consider this:  You are in a big-time, money match with a guy WAY past his prime.  Even IN his prime, the opponent (Hogan) was a marginal worker (AT BEST).  What do YOU do to make his offense look convincing?

 

Michaels knew he was in the ring with a very limited opponent.  For as much of an asshole as Shawn Michaels might have been (or still could be, I don't know the man personally, so who knows), it seems pretty clear the guy prides himself on being able to make ANYBODY look good.

 

He knew he was booked to lose (not to mention lose in a way that made him look terrible:  a chair shot, a low blow, two ref bumps and a superkick weren't enough to win, but one leg drop finished him).  He was working with a limited opponent.  The only hope he had of saving some face and trying to put on a watchable main event was to make Hogan's offense look like a million bucks.

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I have to seriously question if you even saw the match? Convincingly selling an opponents offense is one thing, but HBK was acting like an ass, and making the entire match look unbelievable which actually hurts the match. Bouncing all over the place like a mexican jumping bean from a mere punch or kick is not good selling, it is childish antics, trying to sabatoge a match or just make it a comedy match.

[Dangerous A 0]

HBK just overdid it for my tastes. He was bounced around the ring by Undertaker in their HIAC match as well, but it wasn't as cartoony. The biggest offenses that overstepped the boundaries were his flip bump midway off a turnbuckle shot and of course, the big boot spot. The rest was in context of usual HBK, small guy bouncing around stuff.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

While Michaels' late suggestion for a DQ finish was not considered, the idea of running a rematch at Unforgiven was.

 

Considering it was the main event for WWE's 2nd biggest event, this is just beyond retarded.

[Guest Brian]

Michaels and Hogn should get a room. And a seperate one for their egos.

[Guest Ransome]

Hunter had no problems with putting Hogan over, at least no problems that he made any noise over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, considering it wasn't exactly a clean job, it makes me wonder if it was changed.

 

 

Yeah but if you read Triple H's workout book he talks about the Backlash 2002 match and saying how he felt it was wrong for business for him to lose to Hogan and was COMPLETELY against it. But there was nothing he could do.

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I believe there was a HTQ post (can't find the exact thread, sorry) where it was said that the finish to HHH/Hogan was changed from a HHH win to a Hogan win on the day of Backlash itself. Perhaps it could have been, then, that HHH didn't have the time to make any political manuevrings to stop it. I realise that Hogan and Shawn Michaels were the only two people HHH put over in 2002 (nice of him to help out those two budding newcomers), but it still seems nonsensical for HHH to have lost his title so soon after his big WM return. If HHH was ever going to use his political sway to counter a finish, he should have done so at Backlash 2002.

[Guest MugumboMcgee]

I'm more interested in the latest rumour going around that because Hogan got to go over Micheals he agreed to job to Cena at WM 22.

[humongous2002 0]

 

John Cena is clearly seen by Vince as the best chance he has of creating a new top tier draw. Both Batista and Randy Orton are seen way lower than Cena in the eyes of Mr. McMahon.

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Vince is such a jackass that he doesn't realize that Cena's 15 minutes of fame is already up.

[The Tino Standard 0]

A lot of people are roasting Michaels for his overselling against Hogan.  Consider this:  You are in a big-time, money match with a guy WAY past his prime.  Even IN his prime, the opponent (Hogan) was a marginal worker (AT BEST).  What do YOU do to make his offense look convincing?

 

Michaels knew he was in the ring with a very limited opponent.  For as much of an asshole as Shawn Michaels might have been (or still could be, I don't know the man personally, so who knows), it seems pretty clear the guy prides himself on being able to make ANYBODY look good.

 

He knew he was booked to lose (not to mention lose in a way that made him look terrible:  a chair shot, a low blow, two ref bumps and a superkick weren't enough to win, but one leg drop finished him).  He was working with a limited opponent.  The only hope he had of saving some face and trying to put on a watchable main event was to make Hogan's offense look like a million bucks.

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I have to seriously question if you even saw the match? Convincingly selling an opponents offense is one thing, but HBK was acting like an ass, and making the entire match look unbelievable which actually hurts the match. Bouncing all over the place like a mexican jumping bean from a mere punch or kick is not good selling, it is childish antics, trying to sabatoge a match or just make it a comedy match.

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Yes, I did watch the match, and I have no real rooting interest for either guy, so it's not like any sort of personal bias is coming into the equation. Watching the match, I definitely thought Michaels was hamming it up a bit, but the thought that he was doing it to sabotage Hogan never crossed my mind. I mean, seriously, that's asinine logic. If he REALLY wanted to make Hogan look bad, he'd have popped right up after the 3 count and no sold Hogan's offense throughout the match.

 

When Michaels carries people, one of his trademarks is to look like he's absolutely getting the shit beat out of him, so when he loses, you can believe that the opponent's offense took its toll.

 

Did he over-do it a bit here? Maybe. But to insinuate that he did it purposely to sabotage things is ridiculous. And as someone who's followed wrestling for more than 20 years, I was a little insulted by your "I have to seriously question if you even saw the match?" comment.

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

Hogan is god. I love it.

[cabbageboy 0]

What's up with this Hogan/Cena thing? I can't believe anyone would think that would be a good match. For one, the match itself would feature two guys who don't have a lot of believable offense, and as someone already said the crowd would seriously turn on Cena and cheer for Hogan (though maybe a Cena heel turn could accomodate that?). Would this be a title match? God I hope not.