Raven out of Bound for Glory

[Guest JesusJuiced]

Raven as of now will not be wrestling at Bound for Glory. Management is unhappy with his recent attitude and some comments he has made in media interviews that were being used to hype iMPACT and Bound For Glory. Raven had no problem losing the NWA Title to Jarrett and thats not an issue in the situation but as usual the only thing that matters to Raven is himself. The main comment that bothered them was one made on The Gerweck.net hotline. They asked Raven if he was going to be at the Bound For Glory fanfest and his answer was "Who knows and who cares ? Its just some thing to meet the fans". Dont look for Raven to be pushed or even used much any time soon after what has gone down.

 

Monty Brown was originally going to be facing Raven at the PPV but now he is set to face Lance Hoyt in a one on one match.

 

Credit: October 8th Pro Wrestling Torch, Wrestling Observer, and Gerweck.net

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Yes, because Heaven forbid a man KNOWN FOR SPEAKING HIS OWN MIND INSTEAD OF TOWING THE COMPANY LINE does exactly that.

 

Jeez, they act like Raven being an arrogant prick is new, or something. Of course he's arrogant about himself: the guy is, arguably, the most over wrestler of the past 15 years to never have a main event position in the WWF or WCW. He gets over on his own by doing his schtick, and connects with the disenfranchised, cynical members of the audience (which usually turns out to be most of the audience).

Yeah, just don't use him because he spoke his mind. Why not just go "hey, Raven, I know you love to speak your mind, no matter how controversial it may be, but c'mon, dude: we're trying to promote our product here, so ya mind just saying what the facts are and hyping the show a little?"

If he says "no"? Don't let him do the interview, duh.

[Guest MikeSC]

In TNA's defense, having a top guy rip the company is not something you can tolerate.

[Dangerous A 0]

I agree with Mike.

 

While I appreciate honesty and people telling it like it is, with TNA still out trying to establish themselves to a broader audience, you can't have a guy out there with a "who cares" attitude. You kind of have to pick and choose your spots when echoing your sentiments.

[2GOLD 0]

Saying that meeting the fans isn't important doesn't exactly help things either. Being frustrated is one thing, saying you don't really care about a fanfest is another.

[Guest *KNK*]

Maybe, just MAYBE Raven was kayfabing it? Isn't Raven supposed to be depressed and angry about "losing the title"?

 

Would explain the "who cares" attitude.

 

I know it's not the real excuse but it's an easy excuse for Raven to use.

[gWIL 0]

I doubt they leave him off of Bound for Glory, he's one of their main selling points.

[2GOLD 0]

Maybe, just MAYBE Raven was kayfabing it?  Isn't Raven supposed to be depressed and angry about "losing the title"?

 

Would explain the "who cares" attitude. 

 

I know it's not the real excuse but it's an easy excuse for Raven to use.

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Then he kinda should of told management beforehand or he should have added that all that mattered was getting his title shot. SOMETHING to make it seem like he was kayfabing it.

[tekcop 0]

Wow... I agree with Mike. I can't talk shit about my job if I'm wanting a raise or promotion or shit.

[Guest *KNK*]

Wow... I agree with Mike. I can't talk shit about my job if I'm wanting a raise or promotion or shit.

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I don't think Raven is fishing for a raise. I think he's tired of being jerked around the card.

 

Raven is never happy.

[Guest Fook_Theta]

What the fuck? He was stupid for dropping the title. He should have known he would get screwed with sooner or later.

 

Hopefully he'll update his side of the story in a few days. Very strange. Raven has been fan friendly for a long time, especially considering how many indie dates he does every year.

 

For those upset at ECW Hardcore Homecoming that I didn’t stay longer for the Q and A, well, I’m sorry but if that’s not good enough, tough titties, because:

 

A) I came out after the last match and signed for an hour against the back wall.

B) Nobody told me there was a Q and A until that night during the show and that is when they were telling me that it was cancelled. This is how the conversation transpired.

 

Them: “Hey, the Q and A was cancelled”

Me: “What Q and A?”

Them: “The one after the show.”

Me: “So, I gotta do a Q and A?”

Them: “No, its cancelled.”

Me: “O O O-kay?”

 

C) I was exhausted, beat up, tired and had nothing left.

 

Some people were mad I wouldn’t take a photo with them. First of all, if I take a photo with one, I’d have to take one with everyone and that includes every moron who can’t or doesn’t know how to work their camera. That includes everyone who wants me to hold something or sign something in a particular marker color, not the marker color I have in my hand. It also includes everyone trying to squeeze in next to me when there is no room or table between us. Smaller show - no problem. That big a crowd, that many people wanting pictures - grow up. If I have a limited time, a chance to sign x amount of autographs or only take a small percentage of x amount of pictures, I would rather accommodate more people. Besides, I don’t even actually have to come out if I don’t want to. I do it for 2 reasons.

1) To sell stuff. Hey, I am trying to make a living here. And …

2) because I like seeing the joy it gives people.

 

But, have a little respect, people. What we do in the ring hurts. Its tiring,. Coupled with the travel, it’s exhausting and, bottom line, it is a job. I guarantee that if a couple of hundred people show up after your job ended and wanted you to sign autographs and take pictures, (even if you were making money) that it would get old real fucking quick. Also remember, I’m just a flawed human being like you, if not more flawed, so sorry if I show human emotions. Remember, there is a very good reason why I am still in therapy.

 

Working stiff rant: I hear the boys say all the time, ‘Ooh, let’s work stiff.’ What a bunch of marks. Anybody can hit somebody for real. There is no art in that. The art in this business is to make it look as real as possible without actually hurting the other guy. Although impressive that people can take punishment, there is not one iota of art to it. This is an artform. I love Rhino’s stuff: it looks stiff as hell, but doesn’t hurt a bit. That is what we should all aspire to.

This was in reference to the ECW event but is along similar lines.

[Magus 0]

THANK YOU, SCOTTY.

 

TNA has been spinning Raven's wheels for two years now. OF COURSE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO HE FACES! It's painfully obvious that they'll never let him reach his full potential in the company. They have no clear direction and they'll never use him properly, so it doesn't matter what Raven was gonna do at BFG.

 

TNA's the only loser. They coulda made money off of Mr. Levy, but choose instead to push so-called stars down our throats.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Whatever.

 

If the loss of Raven leads to more time for actual talented workers...then I'm all for it.

 

He was given top treatment on the only other national show in town. If that's not good enough for him...nothing will be.

 

He's Waltman...with fans.

[David Blazenwing 0]

I like Raven, and I can understand where he's coming from. Personally I don't blame the guy, but can understand the arguments on both sides.

 

Hey, at least he's not as big a dick to the fans as Test (or so I've heard).

[dubq 0]

Raven, I can take or leave. He's very mediocre in the ring, but great on the mic. I'd rather see him in a speaking role ONLY rather than a boring the hell out of me with his seen-it-all-before hardcore wrestling style role.

[Fro 0]

Raven as of now will not be wrestling at Bound for Glory. Management is unhappy with his recent attitude and some comments he has made in media interviews that were being used to hype iMPACT and Bound For Glory. Raven had no problem losing the NWA Title to Jarrett and thats not an issue in the situation but as usual the only thing that matters to Raven is himself. The main comment that bothered them was one made on The Gerweck.net hotline. They asked Raven if he was going to be at the Bound For Glory fanfest and his answer was "Who knows and who cares ? Its just some thing to meet the fans". Dont look for Raven to be pushed or even used much any time soon after what has gone down.

 

Monty Brown was originally going to be facing Raven at the PPV but now he is set to face Lance Hoyt in a one on one match.

 

Credit: October 8th Pro Wrestling Torch, Wrestling Observer, and Gerweck.net

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Sounds like pure bullshit to me. Who the hell reads gerweck.net? Why is there a plug for the site in this story? Why would TNA care what Raven said on a hotline that 5 people might call? Why has no one else posted this? Why is this up on the TNA website?

 

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

I remember when I posted in the "Why Jarrett Sucks" type thread that JJ is much more reliable and thus should be the champion, not Raven, people went "NO NO RAVEN IS SUPER RELIABLE AND OVER".

 

Pfft.

[Guest JesusJuiced]

I remember when I posted in the "Why Jarrett Sucks" type thread that JJ is much more reliable and thus should be the champion, not Raven, people went "NO NO RAVEN IS SUPER RELIABLE AND OVER". 

 

Pfft.

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Yeah, because it's not like Jarrett has been thrown off a PPV for unprofessional behavior.

[TNABaddboi 0]

This Jarrett/Raven shit reminds me of Hart and HBK in 97, where what they did backstage was just as (if not more) interesting than what they did on the show. (Although there's no proof that they don't like each other, but that's not the point I'm making). If Raven misses BFG, that means they will have each missed one of TNA biggest shows for pissing off management.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

I remember when I posted in the "Why Jarrett Sucks" type thread that JJ is much more reliable and thus should be the champion, not Raven, people went "NO NO RAVEN IS SUPER RELIABLE AND OVER". 

 

Pfft.

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Difference being that though he is acting "unprofessional," Raven will still job to whoever the bookers want him to. Jarrett won't. I'd say somebody who voices his displeasure with his current situation but does what he's supposed to regardless is more reliable than somebody that just raises a fuss whenever something doesn't go their way.

[Ravenbomb 0]

...maybe the whole thing's a work?

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Likely is. And if it's revealed to be a work, they got most of the TSM TNA folder regs into it.

 

Kinda funny how it seems only TNA can really work the 'net these days without resorting to completely nonsensical bullshit, eh?

[Guest MikeSC]

You're mistaking "working the net" for people wondering and not giving a shit.

 

Hardy and Edge worked the net.

 

This?

 

Nah.

[AlaskanHero 0]

Last time Raven "wasn't planned to be at a PPV", he won the title.

 

Just saying.

[Silence 0]

Last time Raven "wasn't planned to be at a PPV", he won the title.

 

Just saying.

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Raven was actually the Champion when that happened. I think it might have been before Unbreakable, too.

[Jericholic82 0]

I met Jarrett once (at teh WWA Fan Meet and Greet in Las Vegas before their one and only US live PPV) and he was the nicest "name" wrestler I had ever met. He talked to all the fans for almost 2 hours and signed every autograph, even if people had multiple things. Talked about Owen, his Double J days, memphis, WCW, WWF, etc.

[TNABaddboi 0]

Raven was actually the Champion when that happened. I think it might have been before Unbreakable, too.

 

I believe he was talking about Slammiversary, where AJ was the champion scheduled to defend against Abyss, Jarrett, Brown and Waltman in a King of the Mountain match. Jarrett threw a fit about not being booked to win ("to protect his gimmick") and was replaced on the pre-show with Raven, who went on to win the title. It hasn't really been proved how much of that was work and how much was shoot, but people around tended to believe that it pretty much went that way. I'm not so sure though, since we've already established that that entire period was about appealing to the net, who would buy that story 10 times out of 10 times. All we know for sure is that Raven replaced Jarrett in the match after being suspended in storyline terms.

[CubbyBr 0]

I think it definitly is a work and is going somewhere. If you read the Impact spoilers, there is something on their that shows that.

[Magus 0]

I'm thinking its a work now, actually. TNA really IS good at working the net, because so many of us (me included) are chomping at the bit for reasons to hate Jarrett. I think they use that sometimes to play us. The Raven thing would be a good example, although its very thinly veiled.

 

I'd like to see Raven get involved in the BFG main event and start leading towards Raven/Jarrett III a few PPVs down the road. A drawn-out fued could do TNA some good, especially now that they're on Spike. No more PPV-to-PPV booking.

[Silence 0]

I believe he was talking about Slammiversary, where AJ was the champion scheduled to defend against Abyss, Jarrett, Brown and Waltman in a King of the Mountain match.  Jarrett threw a fit about not being booked to win ("to protect his gimmick") and was replaced on the pre-show with Raven, who went on to win the title.  It hasn't really been proved how much of that was work and how much was shoot, but people around tended to believe that it pretty much went that way.  I'm not so sure though, since we've already established that that entire period was about appealing to the net, who would buy that story 10 times out of 10 times.  All we know for sure is that Raven replaced Jarrett in the match after being suspended in storyline terms.

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Oh, now I remember, because with Raven being "suspended" in storyline terms, it meant that he wouldn't have made the Slammiversary card that night until the Jarrett situation came about.

 

I thought Rodz might have been talking about the story about TNA not being able to book 3LK and Raven on a TNA PPV not too long ago (not sure if it was Unbreakable, actually) due to money issues.