NFL Week XIII

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

The only two teams in the NFL that I absolutely cannot stand are the Packers and the Patriots.

 

I don't like the Rams or Vikings at all, but there's no visceral hatred.

[Gert T 0]

Tyler, you and Joey Porter can't call us the Bungles anymore (Although I really cannot disprove your theory, the Dayton area does seem to have a lot more Bengals fans they I remember pre-Marvin Lewis ).

 

My hatred teams are the Steelers (but much respect to the organization, Rooney's have always known their shit, and I hate having to play Cowher twice)

 

Broncos - My Dad's favorite team.

 

Browns - Shitload of local fans (mostly because Browns have been around longer)

 

Not a big fan of most of the NFC East teams, mainly because we always have to get certain match-ups on PrimeTime every year whether the teams are good or not.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Ah, they'll always be the Bungles to me

[nl5xsk1 0]

I liked how Richard Seymour went off on fans for cheering Gisele Bundchen more than they did the players. Hey, not the fans' fault for that game being an absolute bore to sit through.

 

While I agree that the Jets game was an absolute horrid game to sit through, PK, I do agree with his assessment that the local fans are spoiled. It seems that not many current fans were fans pre-Parcells, so don't remember sitting through seasons with less than 5 or 6 wins. And now that the Pats aren't the best team in football, many fans are kind of laissez-faire about it all. When the team was a dominant franchise, the fans were super loud. But now that they're average, the fans are much more quiet (even though common sense would say make more noise NOW, when the team might need it more.)

 

I also like how he called out the coaches for finally letting the D attack rather than react. The reaction approach works well when the team is fully healthy and people like Harrison, Johnson, Law, etc are there to be doing the reacting ... it doesn't work as well when you have the unproven safety of the week, Monty Beisel, and rookie CBs doing the reacting.

 

And, Dama, not to bring it back up (and not to troll, I swear) ... but in your post that you quoted, you named the 3 division rivals, Atlanta, the Seahawks AND three other NFC teams. But now it's just the the rivals, Atlanta & Seattle that you hate. While I will give you that you've mentioned hating the 'hawks before, I do have to point out that you now seemingly hate St Louis, Minnesota, and Green Bay less.

 

Lastly, since this is seguing to a 'teams we hate' thread, I hate:

Denver - going to school out there at a time that the Broncos were killing the Pats gave me enough ammunition to hate them for life. Sharpe's "Call the Nat'l Guard, we're killing the Patriots" shtick makes me sick to this day.

Green Bay

Philly - I hate most of their fan-base, and the city itself.

Normally it'd be the three AFC East rivals, but since none of them are that good right now, it's hard to really hate them.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Denver - going to school out there at a time that the Broncos were killing the Pats gave me enough ammunition to hate them for life. Sharpe's "Call the Nat'l Guard, we're killing the Patriots" shtick makes me sick to this day.

Hey, that's not too bad for a football player.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Green Bay

 

No reason, niskie?

[Guest Vitamin X]

Here's a good article regarding the Colts' march to perfection, but moreover how annoying the "undefeated" talk gets.. didn't quite look at the `72 Dolphins this way before the article, but the guy has a point..

 

Open-and-shut case

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports

December 6, 2005

 

I am not sure at what point the 1972 Miami Dolphins went from perfect champions to perfectly annoying, but it might have been during one of Mercury Morris' blowhard television appearances.

 

Hey, the Dolphins were great back in the day. Winning the Super Bowl as the only undefeated team in NFL history is a magnificent accomplishment. Even the idea that all of these old guys would quietly root for some recent juggernaut to trip up and preserve their place in history was amusing. At least the first 500 times I heard the story.

 

But years of one more Morris "interview," one more "back in our day" round of self-congratulation and one more silly champagne celebration as some likeable team (John Elway's Broncos, Tom Brady's Patriots) finally loses have been about as palatable as a DVD on the genius of the Matt Millen era in Detroit.

 

So, for the sake of my sanity and what should be fond memories of those Dolphins, I am begging Tony Dungy to go for it.

 

The Indianapolis Colts coach needs to go all in (even if his stack is three times bigger than his opponents) and take a shot at history and a perfect season. He needs to keep the Peyton Manning machine roaring even if a single blown gasket (or ACL) would make this the most second-guessed decision in league history.

 

If you haven't contemplated the great football debate for the ages – if the Colts are still undefeated when they wrap up home-field advantage, should they continue to play all out or rest the starters for the playoffs? – you will.

 

This is a question with no real, clear-cut answers, and that's ideal for newspaper columns and talk radio chatter.

 

The dreamers among us want the Colts to go for broke, even if 53 bad things (injuries) can happen as opposed to only one good one (perfection). And not even that is assured.

 

The cooler, calmer heads look at it as a no-brainer. Why risk the ultimate goal (Super Bowl) for a largely meaningless achievement – a 19-0 season? The risk-reward calculations do not favor exposing Manning to any more rolled ankles than necessary.

 

Dungy and his players, of course, are focused on the present, not the hypothetical. At 12-0 and heading into a major road test at 9-3 Jacksonville on Sunday, Indy is in "one game at a time" mode.

 

The remaining schedule is no breeze. If the Colts survive the Jaguars, they host San Diego, travel to Seattle and then finish at home against Arizona. Presumably they will need every weapon to run the table. But at 14-0, they would have nothing left to play for.

 

Back in November, Dungy told Sports Illustrated's Peter King he wouldn't press for perfection.

 

"Your whole plan is to win the Super Bowl," Dungy said. "While it would be nice to be 16-0, it doesn't change our plan. If we happen to be that fortunate, to have a chance to clinch home-field before the end of the season, the plan would be the same whether we were 12-3 or 15-0. We'd be playing to win, but we may be playing some different players.

 

"It's really kind of a no-brainer," Dungy continued. "As soon as the games aren't meaningful in the standings, (resting starters to preserve them for the playoffs) is something we'll think about. They don't give out rings for being 16-0. They give out rings for winning the Super Bowl. And everything we do will be with that goal in mind."

 

Dungy is correct. If the Colts were to lose a megastar to injury while chasing a record and subsequently lose in the playoffs, his decision would go down as a cautionary tale for the ages.

 

This debate would probably have a different feel to it if the Colts had been able to beat the Patriots and won a Super Bowl at least once in recent years. The 1996 Chicago Bulls, with three NBA titles already captured, made a concerted effort to set the NBA's regular season record (72-10) and won title No. 4 to boot.

 

But with no titles, Indy is still on pins and needles. No matter how dominant this team looks, in the back of fans' (and perhaps players') minds are doomed playoff runs past.

 

So Dungy the pragmatist shouldn't care about 19-0 because 18-1 is fine if the Colts win the Lombardi trophy.

 

But I am not looking for pragmatic. I am looking for peace and quiet. I am looking to be done with the Dolphins.

 

I understand they want to own the only perfect season. But at this stage of the game, classy record holders are supposed to recognize others' greatness and at least outwardly applaud being joined in the pantheon.

 

Even Roger Maris's family cheered Mark McGwire and his Andro bottle.

 

The Dolphins, though, root against, denigrate and pound their own chests. It makes you cringe. You wish they were better than this.

 

They aren't. Which is why the Colts need to go 19-0. Manning, Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison and Dwight Freeney need to play. We know it isn't the smart thing to do, but we need to be saved from those old Dolphins.

 

And those great Dolphins need to be saved from themselves.

[Black Lushus 0]

I hate Green Bay, Kansas City, Denver, Minnesota and Chicago simply because my regional coverage forces me to watch them every week...god, I wish Cox was able to get the NFL Ticket...otherwise, there aren't really any teams I hate outside of the Bills AFC East rivals...no, I take that back, I do hate the Cowboys...

[Guest Vitamin X]

Oh really, who doesn't hate the Cowboys other than a Cowboys fan? It's just like the Laker/Yankee rule.

[Black Lushus 0]

Oh really, who doesn't hate the Cowboys other than a Cowboys fan? It's just like the Laker/Yankee rule.

 

heh exactly...but I like the Knicks and everybody hates them outside of Knicks fans...

[Guest Vitamin X]

Not true! I'm completely apathetic towards them.

 

Must be a Northeastern thing though, in which case I could understand considering they're the New York team.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Green Bay

 

No reason, niskie?

 

Only small, petty reasons, VX, most of which are out of the team's control. This biggest one is that I dislike the fellatio that Favre gets from the media - it seems like he can do no wrong in the eyes of the announcers. (Even if he throws a ball into triple coverage, the announcer will say, "that's the kind of gamer Brett Favre is", trying to justify the stupid play.) I also had a roommate from Oshkosh that was a die-hard Packers fan, and he used to sing the "Packerena" which was evidently a local radio 'parody' of the Macarena using the Packers names.

 

I think that when Favre retires and the idiots at ESPN get over their school-boy crush on the franchise, I'll get over my hatred of the team. Until then, though, they're one of the few teams that I really, really like to see lose.

 

Oh really, who doesn't hate the Cowboys other than a Cowboys fan? It's just like the Laker/Yankee rule.

Count me as apathetic about the 'boys as well. I hated them when they had Irvin, but that's because I hated (and still hate) Michael Irvin. Nowadays they have a few players I actually like to go along with their players that I'm apathetic about. I don't care if they win or lose. And the Knicks aren't good enough anymore to justify hating (Sorry, Lushus). The Yankees & Lakers, though, I hate.

[Black Lushus 0]

the Knicks suck now, of course, but during the 90s when Riley was running them, EVERYBODY hated them...they hated their slow defensive play, their "dirty" tactics, Ewing in general...they were the major heels for the Bulls for most of that decade...

 

I don't like Green Bay but i DO like Brett Favre, for the record...

[Guest Vitamin X]

Green Bay

 

No reason, niskie?

 

Only small, petty reasons, VX, most of which are out of the team's control. This biggest one is that I dislike the fellatio that Favre gets from the media - it seems like he can do no wrong in the eyes of the announcers. (Even if he throws a ball into triple coverage, the announcer will say, "that's the kind of gamer Brett Favre is", trying to justify the stupid play.) I also had a roommate from Oshkosh that was a die-hard Packers fan, and he used to sing the "Packerena" which was evidently a local radio 'parody' of the Macarena using the Packers names.

 

I think that when Favre retires and the idiots at ESPN get over their school-boy crush on the franchise, I'll get over my hatred of the team. Until then, though, they're one of the few teams that I really, really like to see lose.

 

Media fellatio? Favre's a record-setting quarterback, there haven't been a whole lot of other quarterbacks (two, actually- Marino and Elway) who've done as much in terms of records, so he kinda deserves it, but yeah he does make stupid decisions, it IS his style however. ESPN has shunted the franchise since Holmgren and White left in `98, really, the only thing you ever hear about Green Bay is Favre this, Favre that, which is understandable. I guess I don't watch ESPN 24/7 or something, because I don't see the same media fellatio everyone else does.. they've been a winning franchise for over the past decade or so, of course they're going to get some love. And to think this talk about media fellatio/ESPN schoolboy crushes is coming from a Pats fan!

 

Your other reasons though (especially about the Packerena Oshkosh kid) are quite valid.

Edited December 6, 2005 by Vitamin X

[The Czech Republic 0]

Nobody from Boston is allowed to resent a quarterback for "media fellatio"

[Guest Leelee]

And they're responsible for Flutie.

 

Fuck Boston.

 

And I mean it as You Fuck Boston You. Or something.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I CAN'T STAND THESE BRETT FAVRE MEDIA BLOWJOBS!

 

 

[Special K 0]

Ditto on not being too fond of the Packers, but liking Favre. Whether you like it or not, he's a hell of a QB, he's clutch, and he's tough.

 

The only teams I really hate are the Pats, Vikes (mostly because I just detest Culpepper.) Cowboys and Rams (just because I'm from Seattle)

[strummer 0]

I would say the Packer love has died down but then I see they get 3 Monday Night games guarenteed every season. They've been a good team since 93, but they didn't deserve all those Monday Night games EVERY season (mainly post 98). They were getting them because of Favre, plain and simple. They got 3 this year despite being a rather mundane (altough division winning) team last year.. I can't see him being that big of a ratings draw. Every segment on Monday Night Countdown for a Packer game is FAVRE FAVRE FAVRE., ohh and they have this new guy name Gato too.

[nl5xsk1 0]

And to think this talk about media fellatio/ESPN schoolboy crushes is coming from a Pats fan!

 

Nobody from Boston is allowed to resent a quarterback for "media fellatio"

 

I CAN'T STAND THESE BRETT FAVRE MEDIA BLOWJOBS!

 

 

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ESPN's mouth is big enough to fellate multiple QBs at once. Just because I think they blow too much smoke up Favre's ass doesn't mean that I pretend that they don't blow smoke up Brady's. It just doesn't bother me when they do it to the player that I like. I fully recognize that ESPN has spent the better parts of the last 2 years making love with the Patriots. Now that the team has fallen back to the pack, though, the love making has slowed down ... somewhat.

 

And they're responsible for Flutie.

 

Fuck Boston.

 

And I mean it as You Fuck Boston You. Or something.

While most of my home state wants to wash Flutie's balls, I'm willing to put my hatred of Flutie up against anyone else's. I'd rather have Rob Johnson as NE's back-up that Flutie. One great play 21 years ago, and people forget the fact that he's average at best as a QB.

[MrRant 0]

I'm not entirely sold on Seattle yet. Both of their losses came to teams with extremely physical defenses (Jacksonville and Washington) and the only truly impressive wins on their schedule were against Dallas and New York. When they can beat a physical defense, then I'll start thinking about them as Super Bowl contenders.

 

I'm just going to point this out. Seahawks defense allows 17.3 pts per game and the offense score 28.1 pts per game. I think the Seahawks have a very good shot against the Bears (if either team makes it that far) since the Bears don't have a good offense and the Seattle defense allows only 1 TD more a game then the Bears.

[alfdogg 0]

Oh really, who doesn't hate the Cowboys other than a Cowboys fan? It's just like the Laker/Yankee rule.

Anyone with the moniker "America's Team", for that matter.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I CAN'T STAND THESE BRETT FAVRE MEDIA BLOWJOBS!

 

 

 

No shit. Fuck Tom Brady. They remind me of those good 49ers teams with Montana, and Montana getting best ever nods. Neil O'Donnell could've won a ring with the Niners.

[Guest]

I'm not entirely sold on Seattle yet. Both of their losses came to teams with extremely physical defenses (Jacksonville and Washington) and the only truly impressive wins on their schedule were against Dallas and New York. When they can beat a physical defense, then I'll start thinking about them as Super Bowl contenders.

 

I'm just going to point this out. Seahawks defense allows 17.3 pts per game and the offense score 28.1 pts per game. I think the Seahawks have a very good shot against the Bears (if either team makes it that far) since the Bears don't have a good offense and the Seattle defense allows only 1 TD more a game then the Bears.

I think Seattle would have a good shot, provided Orton makes a ton of mistakes. Carolina would give Seattle a tougher game.

Edited December 6, 2005 by Kingofthe909

[therealworldschampion 0]

Javon Walker cuts ties with Drew Rosenhaus...

[Robert 0]

I actually agree with you Agent, the Montana love is just disgusting. I mean, he was good but he was a product off good receivers, coaching, and system. I even hate the Favre love, but getting MNF games during the 70's and 80's we rare, and my ABC station would refuse to air them for awhile.

 

Thank god, Walker cut Rosenhaus. Next up, he'll take the Possums as his new agents.

[2GOLD 0]

I CAN'T STAND THESE BRETT FAVRE MEDIA BLOWJOBS!

 

 

 

No shit. Fuck Tom Brady. They remind me of those good 49ers teams with Montana, and Montana getting best ever nods. Neil O'Donnell could've won a ring with the Niners.

 

No, Neil would have won a ring for the Bengals when his worthless ass would have gotten picked off for a touchdown. Montana may not have been all that but there are just some guys who don't have the brains to win it all. Neil is one of those guys.

[Guest Vitamin X]

YESS!!!!!! YES YES YES! WALKER DOES HAVE A SOUL!

 

Oh man, you know I think at this point, the best thing that could happen with this situation is that Green Bay sign him to an extension, backloaded a bit just to see if he's going to be worth the big bucks after rehabbing from the injury he got at Detroit.

 

I would say the Packer love has died down but then I see they get 3 Monday Night games guarenteed every season. They've been a good team since 93, but they didn't deserve all those Monday Night games EVERY season (mainly post 98). They were getting them because of Favre, plain and simple. They got 3 this year despite being a rather mundane (altough division winning) team last year.. I can't see him being that big of a ratings draw. Every segment on Monday Night Countdown for a Packer game is FAVRE FAVRE FAVRE., ohh and they have this new guy name Gato too.

Green Bay gets all those Monday Night games because their fanbase is incredible. How they were able to continously sell out Lambeau during the shitty teams of the 70's and 80's is ridiculous, and few other teams in the league, if any, have that kind of support- and of course the fact that they haven't had a losing season since 1991 (that's nearly a decade and a half's worth... and also coincidentally the year before Favre came to Green Bay) alll the way up until this year, then there's the 3 straight division titles and all that. People knew Green Bay wasn't going to be as good as in years past this year, with every other team in the NFC North seemingly getting better, but I don't think anyone predicted the kind of fall they took this year. In other words, they deserve the MNF games because they're guaranteed ratings from the fanbase, and have been consistent enough performers to deserve having a spotlight game. I can't speak for the Green Bay-Baltimore matchup coming up in a couple weeks, though...

Edited December 6, 2005 by Vitamin X

[Guest Vitamin X]

No shit. Fuck Tom Brady. They remind me of those good 49ers teams with Montana, and Montana getting best ever nods. Neil O'Donnell could've won a ring with the Niners.

Yeah, but it's doubtful the Patriots would've had that kind of success under a different quarterback. This year's basically proven that Brady wasn't just a "system quarterback", and deserves his spot among the QB elite. He doesn't audible at the line or has the same cannon for an arm that Peyton does, but he has more touch on his throws and is more athletic.

 

And the Montana/49er comparisons are accurate. I guess that would make the Colts the current generation's version of the Cowboys from back then, except without all the criminal activity and super bowls.

Edited December 6, 2005 by Vitamin X

[therealworldschampion 0]

Brian Westbrook is done for the year with a Lis Franc injury. No obstacles to losing out now for the Eagles and getting a possible top 10 pick...