Guest Human Highlight Reel Report post Posted January 15, 2006 How many main event hosses are there on Smackdown? Mark Henry? Maybe a heel Lashley? Rey can work good little man vs big man matches and these can be believable wins if booked right. Otherwise he'll be feuding with guys like Angle, Benoit and Orton, and it's not unbelievable for him to beat them. And the Cena comparison is bullshit, Cena sucks in the ring and has a stale gimmick. Mysterio can have a good match with anyone and his gimmick is his in ring skills. Smarks go to WWE shows too, you know. They'll be behind Mysterio, and being a face, so will the marks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Papacita 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2006 Rey's not the guy I'd build a promotion around, but I think he should get a run (even if it's a short one a la Foley in 99) since it's one of the few legit feel-good moments they have left. If I was booking it I wouldn't do it at Mania (too predictable and it would take away from the moment, IMO) but I think they'd be stupid not to pull the trigger on Rey sometime this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2006 Yeah, we're not talking about building WWE around him. Even I think that would be foolish. I just think it would be cool to see, and it would pretty much guarantee us some fantastic main events. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nathan Report post Posted January 15, 2006 It would have saved a lot of explanation if Angle had just won the Elimination Chamber, and Edge used his MITB to enter that battle royal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Well, Batista got injured the same day Edge won the title at the PPV. I would guess they had no idea what they were going to do at that point. Batista had not been checked out by a doctor since it had just happened. In retrospect it is easy to say that would have been a better idea with less explaining, but it wasn't something that was even thought about until after the PPV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Plus the fact that Rey does pretty solidly as a draw. I think that was part of the Meltz argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 What were his numbers when those ratings were releases that told how many viewers were lost/gained for certain guys? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 What were his numbers when those ratings were releases that told how many viewers were lost/gained for certain guys? Rey got pretty high, but a lot of that was down to his segments with Eddie drawing gangbuster numbers. I know one segment pulled in an extra 1,000,000 viewers. Whether that storyline did good in the ring or not, it carried the ratings on Smackdown over the summer. And Rey should get a run as World Champion. He might not be the guy to build around, but he's definitely worth giving the ball to and seeing what happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dam(o)nYankees Report post Posted January 16, 2006 How many main event hosses are there on Smackdown? Mark Henry? Maybe a heel Lashley? Rey can work good little man vs big man matches and these can be believable wins if booked right. Otherwise he'll be feuding with guys like Angle, Benoit and Orton, and it's not unbelievable for him to beat them. I'm not entirely sure where all these big tall fat men that Rey would be feuding with are either. The main stars, yes, even The Randy Orton Face (And God willing, he won't get a title program) are all pretty averaged size men. Henry won't be in the main much longer, and Lashley is nowhere near ready for a title shot. Even then, he's not so big that he cannot lose to Rey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LivingLegendGaryColeman 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 It would have saved a lot of explanation if Angle had just won the Elimination Chamber, and Edge used his MITB to enter that battle royal. I agree, but they want Angle on Smackdown because he is established. Giving Edge the belt on Smackdown would be no different than letting one of the guys already there win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Name one traditional wrestling move that Mysterio regularly executes that doesn't involve him spinning/flipping in the air or bouncing off of the ropes. So I guess all those hammerlocks, bridges, and restholds he does were just figments of my fucking imagination. And I've absolutely never seen him chain wrestle. Seriously, what fucking guy have you been watching? You have absolutely no CLUE what the hell you're talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Name one traditional wrestling move that Mysterio regularly executes that doesn't involve him spinning/flipping in the air or bouncing off of the ropes. So I guess all those hammerlocks, bridges, and restholds he does were just figments of my fucking imagination. And I've absolutely never seen him chain wrestle. Seriously, what fucking guy have you been watching? You have absolutely no CLUE what the hell you're talking about. Agreed. Even Bret Hart has praised Mysterio's in-ring ability (and rightly so). It would be a gross injustice to look at Mysterio as only a high-spot artist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 The Hispanic demographic is carrying Smackdown right now. The Hispanic audience went through the roof during the Rey-Eddie segments, and Rey still draws huge among that audience. With WWE actually making money off of the SD ratings, which they don't do with Raw, you could do a lot worse than put the belt on a guy who draws big numbers in the demographic that is keeping the ratings for one of your primetime shows from sinking into the basement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 The Hispanic demographic is carrying Smackdown right now. The Hispanic audience went through the roof during the Rey-Eddie segments, and Rey still draws huge among that audience. With WWE actually making money off of the SD ratings, which they don't do with Raw, you could do a lot worse than put the belt on a guy who draws big numbers in the demographic that is keeping the ratings for one of your primetime shows from sinking into the basement. I don't disagree with the business aspect but Rey being booked as a champ would almost by definition make his opponents look silly, and that's not something SD can really afford at this time considering he'd be facing guys with limited heat/credibility like Orton and Henry who by the way tower over him. He's never been booked as a pure technician, he's certainly not a power wrestler and there's really no one close to the ME level that's a relatively speed guy save Angle and maybe Benoit who I'm guessing are both going to be faces for a while since they're the only guys on SD who can work that way at the top. The WWE doesn't book Rey where he's just that much faster than everyone else, they usually book it so that Rey's opponents look stupid, stiff and plodding. There's only so many times I can see a JBL or someone of that ilk swing a foot over Rey's head in slow motion and seem stunned when Rey ducks or slides through their legs to escape. The 619 and West Coast Pop just don't strike me as legit finishers and the 'rana where the victim has to put his legs in the air like a prostitute so Rey can hook them just don't make me see how him being a champion is the smartest thing to do given the staff of monkeys in charge. I guess I can't buy a guy who relies on contrived looking comebacks and flash/fluke pins as a marketable babyface champ. If Rey was able to work as a heel and hooked the tights or otherwise cheated to win every match for a few months I wouldn't really have a gripe with it, but then he'd lose everything that makes him who he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 If WWE had any real brains, I'd have faith in them to be able to work around those limitations. And they can be worked around, don't mistake that. But this is WWE we're talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eclipse 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Not sure if it has been said on this thread, but this has to be part of reason. They capitalized on the fact Angle is so over, that he would be a great champion for Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 I'm just glad WWE is respecting the boundaries they set forth for the brand split. I totally believe that there are two seperate brands and everything! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SickMoveFiend Report post Posted January 16, 2006 I don't disagree with the business aspect but Rey being booked as a champ would almost by definition make his opponents look silly, and that's not something SD can really afford at this time considering he'd be facing guys with limited heat/credibility like Orton and Henry who by the way tower over him. 1: Last I looked, Randy Orton needed help from his fucking DAD to beat Rey Mysterio who had the match won (Smackdown show leading into Suervivor Series I believe), a move that made Orton look incredibly weak. 2:Mark Henry is a fat, slow piece of shit, a job to Rey can happen easily if booked right. And if Rey ever faced impossible odds against a big wrestler, he could pay tribute to his late friend Eddie Gurrero by Lying, Cheating and Stealing like a motherfucker, which would get him huge pops. The possibilities with Mysterio are endless, people who cant see that are well and truly blind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DuDe Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Uh, yeah. Ever heard of Chris Benoit? Brian Kendrick? Paul London? Super Crazy? Fucking Nova? Credibility: demolished. Elaborate please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 I don't disagree with the business aspect but Rey being booked as a champ would almost by definition make his opponents look silly, and that's not something SD can really afford at this time considering he'd be facing guys with limited heat/credibility like Orton and Henry who by the way tower over him. And if Rey ever faced impossible odds against a big wrestler, he could pay tribute to his late friend Eddie Gurrero by Lying, Cheating and Stealing like a motherfucker, which would get him huge pops. No no no no no, God NO! Maybe it's just me, but putting the belt on a guy who's main crowd reaction is chanting his deceased best friend's name doesn't seem like a good option. Enough with the Eddie stuff. They need to distance themselves from that endless connection ASAP and realise "Eddie" chants aren't good for Rey, or Chavo for that matter. The fact people are chanting "Eddie" at Rey and Chavo pretty much says they'd rather see Eddie than them. Hell, the chants have/had pretty much died down towards Benoit and Batista. And you didn't hear "Owen" chanted at Bret everywhere he went. Aside from that, they need to give Rey some sort of finisher and refine his moveset. I agree with what was said earlier, his offence looks pretty weak. That Seated Senton in particular is terrible. And unless they find something other than the WCP, any title reign Rey has will probably have so many roll-up wins it'd make Carlito blush. If WWE had any real brains, I'd have faith in them to be able to work around those limitations. And they can be worked around, don't mistake that. But this is WWE we're talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SickMoveFiend Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Maybe it's just me, but putting the belt on a guy who's main crowd reaction is chanting his deceased best friend's name doesn't seem like a good option. Yes, It's just you. Enough with the Eddie stuff. They need to distance themselves from that endless connection ASAP and realise "Eddie" chants aren't good for Rey, or Chavo for that matter. The fact people are chanting "Eddie" at Rey and Chavo pretty much says they'd rather see Eddie than them. Nonsense, It's not as if the fans have not stopped chanting Rey by his name, you know the Eddie chants are out of respect. They even gave the chants to Benoit when he started using Eddies 3 amigos suplexes, the only reason Chavo gets them is because of the relation, and it's gotten him quite over infact. Aside from that, they need to give Rey some sort of finisher and refine his moveset. The 619 is a decent move by crowd standards but I agree the West Coast Pop wont cut it unless he starts using it as a counter from the top rope like he used to do in WCW, ECW and Mexico. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 I've been pushing for Rey as champ for a long long time now, mentioned it ad naseum on this board...there's really nothing more I can add that other posters haven't already covered...the WWE would be retarded to not capitalize on this guy: he's mad over, his best friend died, his close friend went down to injury, he's the scrappy underdog...the story writes itself...a No Way Out/WM thru Summerslam run is completely doable and SHOULD happen. The End. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Prediction: Rey gets moved to Raw (Compensation for Angle) to feud w/ Tomko & Snitsky in time for WrestleMania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Prediction: Rey gets moved to Raw (Compensation for Angle) to feud w/ Tomko & Snitsky in time for WrestleMania. an addendum, Millennium, if you will allow me to do so, good sir: he will be moved to Raw, built up HEAVILY, only to lose to HHH (somehow he gets the belt back) at WM a la Booker T circa 2003! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Prediction: Rey gets moved to Raw (Compensation for Angle) to feud w/ Tomko & Snitsky in time for WrestleMania. an addendum, Millennium, if you will allow me to do so, good sir: he will be moved to Raw, built up HEAVILY, only to lose to HHH (somehow he gets the belt back) at WM a la Booker T circa 2003! Well, it IS a race Triple H hasn't proven himself superior too. Oh all the funny racist jokes and speeches that would come from that feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tino Standard 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 I don't like the whole "Rey is not big enough to be the world champion" arguments. Are we forgetting how much suspension of disbelief you need to follow wrestling in the first place? By the "too small" logic, Mysterio shouldn't be able to beat anybody above jobber status. If he beats a guy like Bradshaw or Orton and there's no title on the line, people are fine with it. But if he does it in a title match, NOW it is ridiculous and implausible? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Prediction: Rey gets moved to Raw (Compensation for Angle) to feud w/ Tomko & Snitsky in time for WrestleMania. an addendum, Millennium, if you will allow me to do so, good sir: he will be moved to Raw, built up HEAVILY, only to lose to HHH (somehow he gets the belt back) at WM a la Booker T circa 2003! Well, it IS a race Triple H hasn't proven himself superior too. Oh all the funny racist jokes and speeches that would come from that feud. How could I forget HHH getting to squash another potential cash cow? *smacks self in forehead*. Everyone knows that any money drawn in by "those" kind of superstars is dirty money anyway. Plus, imagine those devastating Pedigrees on Mysterio. But, ya got to admit, the ensuing feud w/ Tomko & Snitsky would definitely pump up the Backlash buyrates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dam(o)nYankees Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Uh, yeah. Ever heard of Chris Benoit? Brian Kendrick? Paul London? Super Crazy? Fucking Nova? Credibility: demolished. Elaborate please? I'm pretty sure he was referencing you calling Nova among the best on Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dam(o)nYankees Report post Posted January 16, 2006 I don't disagree with the business aspect but Rey being booked as a champ would almost by definition make his opponents look silly, and that's not something SD can really afford at this time considering he'd be facing guys with limited heat/credibility like Orton and Henry who by the way tower over him. And if Rey ever faced impossible odds against a big wrestler, he could pay tribute to his late friend Eddie Gurrero by Lying, Cheating and Stealing like a motherfucker, which would get him huge pops. No no no no no, God NO! Maybe it's just me, but putting the belt on a guy who's main crowd reaction is chanting his deceased best friend's name doesn't seem like a good option. Enough with the Eddie stuff. They need to distance themselves from that endless connection ASAP and realise "Eddie" chants aren't good for Rey, or Chavo for that matter. The fact people are chanting "Eddie" at Rey and Chavo pretty much says they'd rather see Eddie than them. Hell, the chants have/had pretty much died down towards Benoit and Batista. And you didn't hear "Owen" chanted at Bret everywhere he went. Rey was pretty damned over before Eddie died. Rey was also out there beating Angle and Benoit and Bradshaw belivably and too big pops before Eddie died. Chavo is a completely different matter. No one gave a damn about Chavo before Eddie died, and honestlty no one does now. That is TOTAL Eddie heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DuDe Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Uh, yeah. Ever heard of Chris Benoit? Brian Kendrick? Paul London? Super Crazy? Fucking Nova? Credibility: demolished. Elaborate please? I'm pretty sure he was referencing you calling Nova among the best on Smackdown. Actually it was me bolding Nova's name to begin with, and if you've seen the stuff that this man could do in ECW you would also understand why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
