John Cena -- One person's thoughts

[NoCalMike 0]

In WWE wrestling ability's importance is reserved for people who aren't excellent on the mic. For example, last night on ECW, the crowd seemed worn out prior to the RVD/Angle match, however as the match went on and got heated, the crowd got into it because of the match itself, not a tagline, or a "sing along with my move"-fest. That is where workrate does come into play.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

The most important thing isn’t wrestling ability or working hard. The most important thing is the ability to get the crowd involved in your matches. Whether it’s by some fancy spot, mic work or mannerisms, you have to be able to get the crowd involved in your match. You can have all the wrestling ability in the world, but if you cannot do the little things, no matter what they are, to get the crowd into your match, then you’re just a guy in tights doing a bunch of moves.

[Wrestlefreak 0]

People have to remember that wrestling ability is the most important thing.

Could you say that again? I can't hear you over The Rock's crowd pop. Oh, hold on, Hogan is cupping his ear so it's getting even louder.

 

I'm not saying you can't be successful without wrestling ability, but wrestlers who are, become so largely because of casual fans who are drawn in by a character who they're entertained by. The core fans, like me, however, are entertained by the matches themselves. Thus, to the core fans, wrestling ability is the most important thing.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Thus, to the core fans, wrestling abilityis the most important thing.

You're not going to make the big bucks or draw the big gates just with wrestling ability. Wrestling ability will only get you so far.

[World's Worst Man 0]

The core fans don't drive the business to insane levels. The casuals do, and they're drawn by the characters and gimmickry, so that's where the real money is. I certainly consider wrestling ability to be the most important aspect of quality pro-wrestling, but quality doesn't equal success and vice-versa.

[Guest wildpegasus]

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[justcoz 0]

I just watched Wrestlemania 22 last night, and that is another prime example of Cena's drawing power. Everybody was going crazy for that match in the building. It wasn't the best wrestling match(Nowehere near the Triple Threat), but it had that (pardon the pun) "Big Time" feel. It made me just as interested, if not more. And anyone who could change Triple H from not too much heat(aside with some boos) to being cheered like crazy for busting out a sledgehammer and hitting a man who stands for "Hustle, Loyalty, Respect" must be a doctor(of thuganomics) that can cure fucking cancer!

 

BTW...Anyone else think they were having a competition as to who could have the most over-the-top tacky ring entrance?

That match heat and "big time feel" was due to the awesome chicago fans and thier hatred for what Cena is( a poser and absolutely shity wrestler)

 

But they weren't sitting on their hands, were they? He gets a reaction unlike anybody the business has ever seen and even though a lot of it is people who legitimately hate him for being in the position he's in, in this era where kayfabe doesn't exist, when is drawing real legit emotion from the audience a bad thing?

 

I mentioned the Pittsburgh Steelers who were dressed in his gear at the Raw show in Pittsburgh. They also ran back to their seats, taking pictures with their camera phones, when his music hit. My girlfriend was making fun of me because I wanted to leave a get together with friends to watch ECW One Night Stand and another girl at the party, someone who doesn't watch wrestling, asked me why John Cena was more important than them? That doesn't mean a whole lot except he's the star of the show right now. No, he's not a Rock, Hogan or Austin but he's the closest thing to that kind of presence currently in the company.

I will say it again: Do you actually think the 20 Steelers showed up dressed the same?? They were given the Cena gear for free.

 

I didn't catch that the first time but actually it wasn't 20 of them dressed the same. I'm not going to sit here and get all Joan Rivers on what Steelers were wearing what but it legitimately didn't look like they were just modeling perks. And there wasn't anyone on WWE staff directing them to run back to their seats like little kids, make you can't see me hand gestures and cheer like bitches. He's the star of the show. I was sitting behind them and that's who they were waiting to see.

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

I'm assuimng that before they got to their seats they were given a choice of merchandise to wear. I highly doubt they just gave them Cena shirts and told them to wear it.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I'm not saying you can't be successful without wrestling ability, but wrestlers who are, become so largely because of casual fans who are drawn in by a character who they're entertained by. The core fans, like me, however, are entertained by the matches themselves. Thus, to the core fans, wrestling ability is the most important thing.

I don't know about that. I can enjoy a very athletic worker such as Benoit, but I can also enjoy a guy who has to get by on the appeal of his promos such as Christian. I think everyone has at least one favorite who is more charisma than he is wrestling ability.

[Markme123 0]

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The fact of the matter is that if you go to a RAW house show you will see that most of the merch that people are wearing are Cena's (overwhelmingly may I add). If you go to PWTORCH or where ever and read detailed house show reports, they'll tell you that Cena is the most over wrestler on the show. (Although with DX on the circuit this past week, he may have dropped down a spot. I dunno.) Why is that? Because it's mostly Cena fans who buy the tickets to the shows. teens love the guy. Families love the guy and, according to Meltzer, more and more of them are coming to shows. And if you go to a show you'll notice that they are *passionate* (teenage Cena fans are fucking annoying though...). They love the guy.

 

Face it. It isn't April anymore. Either people have began to like Cena (out of sympathy for the boos) or his fans the ones buying most of the tickets. He makes a lot of money for the company

 

Look, I don't care if anyone hates the guy. He isn't close to being one of my favorite wrestlers either. Everyone has their own opinion and that's cool. It's just sad to see people ignore plain facts.

 

PS: Does he have great "workrate"? No. Is he energetic and able to work the audience? Yes. That alone elevates him above "bad wrestler" level...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Let me put guys into five categories:

 

Category A: The complete package. A rare breed of guys who can work and can put on a great promo. Examples: Eddie Guererro, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Chris Jericho

 

Category B: Guys who can work but have no charisma and may not be able to talk. Examples: Chris Benoit, Shelton Benjamin, Stone Cold prior to injury.

 

Category C: Guys who can compensate for being a bad worker with mic skills. Examples: The Rock, Stone Cold after injury, Scott Hall prior to self-destruction, Mick Foley

 

Category D: Guys who have little to no charisma and cannot lead a good match. Examples: Randy Orton, Mark Henry, X-Pac, Batista

 

Category E: Guys who are allowed to be lazy because the promotion is high on them. Examples: The Undertaker, Triple H, Goldberg, Bradshaw, Sting, The Big Show, Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash

 

Now then, here's now likely they are in order of getting a push, from most likely to least likely:

Category E

Category A

Category C

Category D

Category B

 

So where is John Cena? I'd say he started out as Category C, would be coming into Category D range if it weren't for the fact that management is adding him to Category E.

[benn 0]

If wrestling ability was the most important thing, then guys like Val Venis would be main eventing.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Category B: Guys who can work but have no charisma and may not be able to talk. Examples: Chris Benoit, Shelton Benjamin, Stone Cold prior to injury.

 

I love how some people have no idea what charisma is.

[justcoz 0]

Category B: Guys who can work but have no charisma and may not be able to talk. Examples: Chris Benoit, Shelton Benjamin, Stone Cold prior to injury.

 

HUH???? You could tell that Steve Austin had charisma dating back to when he teamed with Brian Pillman. You could tell he had mic skills with his ECW promos. You could tell he had star quality from the moment he won the King of the Ring and cut the 3:16 promo. What injury are you referring to?

 

Category D: Guys who have little to no charisma and cannot lead a good match. Examples: Randy Orton, Mark Henry, X-Pac, Batista

 

Category E: Guys who are allowed to be lazy because the promotion is high on them. Examples: The Undertaker, Triple H, Goldberg, Bradshaw, Sting, The Big Show, Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash

 

So where is John Cena? I'd say he started out as Category C, would be coming into Category D range if it weren't for the fact that management is adding him to Category E.

 

No charisma like X-Pac and Mark Henry? The freestyling heel John Cena that was one of the highlights of Smackdown for a good year, with the throwback jerseys, the shoe pump, you can't see me/five knuckle shuffle when it was over before getting cheesy - that guy had no charisma? I remember a heel rap he did from a graveyard on Undertaker that was one of my favorite promos since Raven.

 

Also, for the record, X-Pac could work a good match and had charisma circa NWO-early DX days.

 

I don't consider Cena a good worker but I also think he's far from lazy. He worked his ass off at One Night Stand and he can be carried to a good match. Monday night's match with RVD was very good and I don't even think he was being carried, they just clicked together.

[Guest Chris Xtreme]

I think one of the main problems with John Cena is that he is a better challenger than a champion. A babyface like him should have the title sometimes, but not forever. Cena needs to chase the belt. Hopefully, (now that he isn't champion) he will chase for awhile. I think they should wait for Mania and have him take the belt off of Edge ( who should get a long heel run soon). Austin and the Rock never were champions year round. They had their strong riegns, but they also chased a lot. Being over doesn't mean you need the belt every minute. Cena will be more over if they let him chase the title, while booking him strong.

[Fökai 0]

Category B: Guys who can work but have no charisma and may not be able to talk. Examples: Chris Benoit, Shelton Benjamin, Stone Cold prior to injury.

 

HUH???? You could tell that Steve Austin had charisma dating back to when he teamed with Brian Pillman. You could tell he had mic skills with his ECW promos. You could tell he had star quality from the moment he won the King of the Ring and cut the 3:16 promo. What injury are you referring to?

 

Perhaps it was an injury before he even started wrestling? The guy had charisma the moment you watched him carry himself. My friends and I could tell he was the next big thing back in 1992, and everyone working in WCW would've said the same thing (and most of them did say it at the time).

[Jobber of the Week 0]

HUH???? You could tell that Steve Austin had charisma dating back to when he teamed with Brian Pillman. You could tell he had mic skills with his ECW promos. You could tell he had star quality from the moment he won the King of the Ring and cut the 3:16 promo. What injury are you referring to?

I'm sorry, I did kind of screw that up. I meant to say Stone Cold before KOR, where he was mostly just getting heat for beating up other guys with gimmicks that crowd hated. I don't think Austin's earlier promos were much to talk about. I've seen a lot of his WCW promos and I don't think he discovered the magic of a good promo yet. Never seen old ECW, sorry.

 

No charisma like X-Pac and Mark Henry? The freestyling heel John Cena that was one of the highlights of Smackdown for a good year, with the throwback jerseys, the shoe pump, you can't see me/five knuckle shuffle when it was over before getting cheesy - that guy had no charisma? I remember a heel rap he did from a graveyard on Undertaker that was one of my favorite promos since Raven.

This one's your fault. If you read what I had wrote I said he started off with a great speaker, but then slowly turned to the X-Pac region when I believe that his character was watered down, and the jerseys and unique character elements were tossed out for his smiling good guy routine. Now, whether he continues to be a milquetoast face or regains his edgy persona is of little relevance, Vince is sure that Cena is the future regardless.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Little late to the party, but still...

 

 

Cena doesn't have "go away heat". It's more "you used to be cool, what the fuck happened heat". People resent the fact that his character has been watered down and underneath the booing, I think the vast majority are begging for the chance and the reason to cheer for him again. It's like he's being booed because people want the best out of him, waiting for him to snap back into his former self.

 

Cena's wrestling ability, or argueably lack there-of, is just an excuse to boo him. If Cena had kept an edgier character, people wouldn't care about the terrible hiptoss or how weak his three 'money' moves are, because he'd entertain them. Look at Hogan. When the boom came along, people loved him. The fans gradually turned on him because the character was stale, the fact he was weak in the ring was just a fuel to the fire. The moment he freshened up the character with the heel turn, BAM, nobody really cared that he wasn't a workrate king again. Same deal with Nash.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Cena's run as champion would have been better if he turned heel again ala The Rock.

[hyperchord24 0]

Cena's run as champion would have been better if he turned heel again ala The Rock.

agreed 100%.

 

You know, so many people have an opinion on Cena, and love to talk about him. People here may resent that as a reason to consider him a top teir guy, but for a while I would watch RAW just for the crowd reactions (and consequently Cena and WWE's reaction to the crowd) and mark out like a little kid when they started booing him.

[Guest burth179]

One thing I see nobody saying is that Cena is not as bad as people make out in the ring. He's no technician by any stretch, but a lot of why he is such a "bad worker" is not even his fault. They dumb down his moves to fit the gimmick, I"m convinced of that. I do remember saying to myself "I thought this guy looked like he wasn't too bad when he first arrived on Smackdown" at one point in time. And after ONS, I realized I was correct, and that he is "dumbed down" to a street brawler.

 

I don't know if "carried" is the correct word, but he certainly did more to make the match at ONS pretty good than RVD did.

 

He's not my favorite or anything, but my god he's sooooo much better than RVD. Talk about "same old shit". I think the EC-dub fans should have been chanting that at RVD, not Cena. I don't find Cena's matches as reptitive as RVD's (save the final sequence of course, which is the same every single time).

 

I used to not care for Cena until I realized what I stated in the 1st paragraph, and after I saw him at ONS I was mildly impressed. And plus, I started liking him a little more when it became "cool" to hate Cena.

 

And let's not forget, he is good on the mic. While his character may have gotten stale there for awhile, I think he is "back" now. He's been doing very well with his character as of late in my opinion.

[goldengreek 0]

One thing I see nobody saying is that Cena is not as bad as people make out in the ring. He's no technician by any stretch, but a lot of why he is such a "bad worker" is not even his fault. They dumb down his moves to fit the gimmick, I"m convinced of that. I do remember saying to myself "I thought this guy looked like he wasn't too bad when he first arrived on Smackdown" at one point in time. And after ONS, I realized I was correct, and that he is "dumbed down" to a street brawler.

 

I don't know if "carried" is the correct word, but he certainly did more to make the match at ONS pretty good than RVD did.

 

He's not my favorite or anything, but my god he's sooooo much better than RVD. Talk about "same old shit". I think the EC-dub fans should have been chanting that at RVD, not Cena. I don't find Cena's matches as reptitive as RVD's (save the final sequence of course, which is the same every single time).

 

I used to not care for Cena until I realized what I stated in the 1st paragraph, and after I saw him at ONS I was mildly impressed. And plus, I started liking him a little more when it became "cool" to hate Cena.

 

And let's not forget, he is good on the mic. While his character may have gotten stale there for awhile, I think he is "back" now. He's been doing very well with his character as of late in my opinion.

Who are you kidding?? You sound like a HUGE Cena fan. And saying Rvd's moveset is more boring or repetitve that Cena's is assinine and insane! Did you ever see any of RVD's matches when he was in the real Ecw? His moveset is limited because of the "WWE style". He has ablout 30 diffrent moves compared to Cena's 5 or 6. Also when he is 'losing " during the match his ability to sell moves and take a beating makes the other wrestlers offense look even better. Have you ever seen Rvd sell a piledriver ot ddt?

[hyperchord24 0]

Who are you kidding?? You sound like a HUGE Cena fan. And saying Rvd's moveset is more boring or repetitve that Cena's is assinine and insane! Did you ever see any of RVD's matches when he was in the real Ecw? His moveset is limited because of the "WWE style". He has ablout 30 diffrent moves compared to Cena's 5 or 6. Also when he is 'losing " during the match his ability to sell moves and take a beating makes the other wrestlers offense look even better. Have you ever seen Rvd sell a piledriver ot ddt?

I've seen an ECW match with hm (not the "new" ECW) where he was hung up on the top rope, took a chair shot in the head, and while his opponent was turned, stopped selling the chair, and did a springboard sidekick. I'd say RVD and Cena are equals when it comes to the art of selling.

 

A ddt is about the only thing I've seen RVD sell well.

[Guest burth179]

I never said he couldn't sell moves, although he really can not do that either. I agree that he does sell the DDT well, and I also admit that he does take some nice bumps also (but may get up 10 seconds later and so he can flippity flop his rolling thunder). I was mainly referring to his weak ass offense, that doesn't look like it would hurt anybody. I like the Van Daminator though.

 

He does the same moves every match. Split legged moonsault, rolling thunder, that stupid spinning heel kick when he catches the guy, the spinning kick with the guy's throat on the rail.... He did them in the "old" ECW also. The only "wrestling" maneuver I see him pull is a german suplex (which I admit he does well). Everything else is a flip, a kick, or some kind of spot. I thought it was "wrestling" not a "spot fest" or "monkey flipping and kickboxing"...

 

Although I admit RVD was MUCH better in the "old" ECW when he wasn't as repetitive there is no doubt. But let's face it, the "old" ECW is DEAD. D.E.A.D. Either adapt to the WWE style, quit and wrestle for TNA or other indies instead, or fall by the way side...

 

While RVD and Cena are both restricted by the WWE, BOTH of them are not great in ring workers to begin with. I never said Cena was awesome. I just said he is better than he is showing because of his gimmick. And he's better than a lot of people give him credit for. And RVD is not as good as people give him credit for.

 

RVD doesn't have the same problem because his gimmick is the same as it always was for the most part.

 

So Cena has to not only adjust to the WWE style, but also his GIMMICK restricts him to the 5 moves you referred too.

 

In the "ECW environment", Cena outwrestled RVD. It's arguable, but he did from my perspective.

 

My buddy, who is an old school ECW mark, agreed also...

 

I am becoming a Cena fan, but I am really not as much a Cena fan as an RVD hater. RVD is lame plain and simple. People talked about him as the "best to never hold a World Title" (until now), I find that laughable... Mr. Perfect, now THAT is a wrestler who deserved the WWE title (I guess he was an AWA World champ though, but does that even count?)

 

Everything about RVD I can't stand (except his love for the reefer I can identify with!), from his stupid hair cut, to the weak ass interviews, no charisma, basically the same damn tights he had in 1995, to the "same old shit" he does in the ring...

 

 

sorry for turning this into an RVD bash instead of a Cena thread....

[Wally Balls 0]

I never said he couldn't sell moves, although he really can not do that either. I agree that he does sell the DDT well, and I also admit that he does take some nice bumps also (but may get up 10 seconds later and so he can flippity flop his rolling thunder). I was mainly referring to his weak ass offense, that doesn't look like it would hurt anybody. I like the Van Daminator though.

 

He does the same moves every match. Split legged moonsault, rolling thunder, that stupid spinning heel kick when he catches the guy, the spinning kick with the guy's throat on the rail.... He did them in the "old" ECW also. The only "wrestling" maneuver I see him pull is a german suplex (which I admit he does well). Everything else is a flip, a kick, or some kind of spot. I thought it was "wrestling" not a "spot fest" or "monkey flipping and kickboxing"...

 

Although I admit RVD was MUCH better in the "old" ECW when he wasn't as repetitive there is no doubt. But let's face it, the "old" ECW is DEAD. D.E.A.D. Either adapt to the WWE style, quit and wrestle for TNA or other indies instead, or fall by the way side...

 

While RVD and Cena are both restricted by the WWE, BOTH of them are not great in ring workers to begin with. I never said Cena was awesome. I just said he is better than he is showing because of his gimmick. And he's better than a lot of people give him credit for. And RVD is not as good as people give him credit for.

 

RVD doesn't have the same problem because his gimmick is the same as it always was for the most part.

 

So Cena has to not only adjust to the WWE style, but also his GIMMICK restricts him to the 5 moves you referred too.

 

In the "ECW environment", Cena outwrestled RVD. It's arguable, but he did from my perspective.

 

My buddy, who is an old school ECW mark, agreed also...

 

I am becoming a Cena fan, but I am really not as much a Cena fan as an RVD hater. RVD is lame plain and simple. People talked about him as the "best to never hold a World Title" (until now), I find that laughable... Mr. Perfect, now THAT is a wrestler who deserved the WWE title (I guess he was an AWA World champ though, but does that even count?)

 

Everything about RVD I can't stand (except his love for the reefer I can identify with!), from his stupid hair cut, to the weak ass interviews, no charisma, basically the same damn tights he had in 1995, to the "same old shit" he does in the ring...

 

 

sorry for turning this into an RVD bash instead of a Cena thread....

 

 

I knew I couldnt have been the only one who thought this. I wish you guys would have defended Cena when I did, it would have made me look a lot less dumb about wrestling..but anyway...Yeah, like I said before Cena is the best thing going for the WWE right now in terms of drawing fans and selling tickets. And I also don't understand why some of you think that just because someone is female or a child, it means they can't be a wrestling fan...its nonsense. Women and Children are just as much of fans as the ridiculous full grown men who chant "E-C-DUB!!!" and make signs that say things like "If Cena Wins, we Riot". Sorry, but I never saw it as a bad thing to attract a wide variety of fans.

 

Now, about Cena's wrestling ability. It's not that he is lacking wrestling ability, but it's been very restricted. If you remember correctly, "Ruthless Agression" John Cena was very impressive in the ring with a very broad moveset. I thought he did a great job in his earlier matches and even when he was a heel white rapper, he still was very impressive in the ring.

 

Hmm...I'm not sure if you guys would agree with me on this one, but I believe that Austin, Rock and Hogan are the top of the mountain...that part I think we all can agree on....but I believe Cena is already right under them with guys like HBK, Randy Savage, Undertaker, Bret Hart, and HHH.

 

In a nutshell, I'm basically saying what I've said all along, except now people agree with me which is nice.

[goldengreek 0]

I never said he couldn't sell moves, although he really can not do that either. I agree that he does sell the DDT well, and I also admit that he does take some nice bumps also (but may get up 10 seconds later and so he can flippity flop his rolling thunder). I was mainly referring to his weak ass offense, that doesn't look like it would hurt anybody. I like the Van Daminator though.

 

He does the same moves every match. Split legged moonsault, rolling thunder, that stupid spinning heel kick when he catches the guy, the spinning kick with the guy's throat on the rail.... He did them in the "old" ECW also. The only "wrestling" maneuver I see him pull is a german suplex (which I admit he does well). Everything else is a flip, a kick, or some kind of spot. I thought it was "wrestling" not a "spot fest" or "monkey flipping and kickboxing"...

 

Although I admit RVD was MUCH better in the "old" ECW when he wasn't as repetitive there is no doubt. But let's face it, the "old" ECW is DEAD. D.E.A.D. Either adapt to the WWE style, quit and wrestle for TNA or other indies instead, or fall by the way side...

 

While RVD and Cena are both restricted by the WWE, BOTH of them are not great in ring workers to begin with. I never said Cena was awesome. I just said he is better than he is showing because of his gimmick. And he's better than a lot of people give him credit for. And RVD is not as good as people give him credit for.

 

RVD doesn't have the same problem because his gimmick is the same as it always was for the most part.

 

So Cena has to not only adjust to the WWE style, but also his GIMMICK restricts him to the 5 moves you referred too.

 

In the "ECW environment", Cena outwrestled RVD. It's arguable, but he did from my perspective.

 

My buddy, who is an old school ECW mark, agreed also...

 

I am becoming a Cena fan, but I am really not as much a Cena fan as an RVD hater. RVD is lame plain and simple. People talked about him as the "best to never hold a World Title" (until now), I find that laughable... Mr. Perfect, now THAT is a wrestler who deserved the WWE title (I guess he was an AWA World champ though, but does that even count?)

 

Everything about RVD I can't stand (except his love for the reefer I can identify with!), from his stupid hair cut, to the weak ass interviews, no charisma, basically the same damn tights he had in 1995, to the "same old shit" he does in the ring...

 

 

sorry for turning this into an RVD bash instead of a Cena thread....

 

 

I knew I couldnt have been the only one who thought this. I wish you guys would have defended Cena when I did, it would have made me look a lot less dumb about wrestling..but anyway...Yeah, like I said before Cena is the best thing going for the WWE right now in terms of drawing fans and selling tickets. And I also don't understand why some of you think that just because someone is female or a child, it means they can't be a wrestling fan...its nonsense. Women and Children are just as much of fans as the ridiculous full grown men who chant "E-C-DUB!!!" and make signs that say things like "If Cena Wins, we Riot". Sorry, but I never saw it as a bad thing to attract a wide variety of fans.

 

Now, about Cena's wrestling ability. It's not that he is lacking wrestling ability, but it's been very restricted. If you remember correctly, "Ruthless Agression" John Cena was very impressive in the ring with a very broad moveset. I thought he did a great job in his earlier matches and even when he was a heel white rapper, he still was very impressive in the ring.

 

Hmm...I'm not sure if you guys would agree with me on this one, but I believe that Austin, Rock and Hogan are the top of the mountain...that part I think we all can agree on....but I believe Cena is already right under them with guys like HBK, Randy Savage, Undertaker, Bret Hart, and HHH.

 

In a nutshell, I'm basically saying what I've said all along, except now people agree with me which is nice.

Put the crack pipe down kid

[Bruiser Chong 0]

You had to quote all of that to write one sentence? An unfinished one, at that.

[goldengreek 0]

Yup

[bob_barron 0]

I'm so glad we have goldengreek explaining to all those pro-Cena fans why are they so wrong

[goldengreek 0]

I'm so glad we have goldengreek explaining to all those pro-Cena fans why are they so wrong

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