Exposing the Biz

[Guest DRH 502]

I hate Dave Prazak as a commentator. He has the world's most annoying voice and I HATE when he tries to explain why Chris Hero's matches go so fucking long (he likes to take his time, wear down his opponent blah blah SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPPPPPP)

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Al Snow claims those X Division stars in Ultimate X when the X fell and they looked for a restart instead of jumping on the X exposed the business.

[Guest DRH 502]

I was unaware of this occurance, but yes, that is pretty fucking buisness exposing.

 

ROH and indy wrestling's 400 false finishes a match is really killing the buisness too...Indy buisness anyway...hence my LOVE for the omoplata finish between AmDrag and Strong the first time around.

[Just John 0]

Another big thing I thought of...

 

Repeating a spot after a botch. Definitely gives off excessive "these guys are clearly cooperating" vibes. One example would be when Orton did the infamous R-K-Whoa to Chris Jericho. In kayfabe, why wouldn't Jericho start kicking Orton after he fell on his ass right in front of him? Instead, he just stood there for a few seconds and let Orton come back with the same move!

[World's Worst Man 0]

I was unaware of this occurance, but yes, that is pretty fucking buisness exposing.

 

ROH and indy wrestling's 400 false finishes a match is really killing the buisness too...Indy buisness anyway...hence my LOVE for the omoplata finish between AmDrag and Strong the first time around.

 

You'd probably want to qualify that with "in matches where that many near falls don't make sense". If Joe and Dragon wrestle, you'd expect there to be a lot of nearfalls, since both guys are at the top of the game, and it would logically take a lot of offense to finish them off. Ring Crew Express and The Carnage Crew? Not so much.. Just saying is all.

[Guest DRH 502]

Yeah I should have you are right. I make alot of statements on the basis everyone here understands that there are always exceptions to the rule. Maybe I should have said something about the overabundance of excessive pinfalls when not warranted...

[Guest Fook]

Any of Russo's "he's not following the script" angles. Nothing kills the illusion like outright telling your audience to stop suspending disbelief.

 

It's like a magician getting halfway through his act, then stopping and saying "Hang on folks, the mirror I use to do this trick broke."

[Guest wildpegasus]

Backstage skits and the mysterious rules that accompany them which are always conviently changing.

[Hasbeen1 0]

The backstage lack of logic could be helped a lot, if the talent just acknowledged there was a camera back there every now and then: Cena: "I hope you're watching this Edge" after a skit, or Vince: "Get that camera out of here" after a DX stunt.

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

Need I mention the infamous Jackie Gayda match from RAW several years ago?

[Jericholic82 0]

Ah and here you go

 

 

oops.

 

Reminds me of wm 3 when andre went to headbutt hogan and he moved so he "butted the post" except that he put his hands in front of him and his head came nowhere near it. And the camera was zoomed in on the time.

 

The Ken/Ryan Shamrock "slap me" incident at Valentines Day Massacre 99, or any match where wrestlers loudly call spots, HHH is notorious for this(like at Rumble 99 when he literally screamed to val venis 'If I throw you,can you hang on?')

 

anytime Shawn hits SCM on the guys hands or chest.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I guess you could put that under "putting someone in a wrestling match when it's blatantly obvious they're not a fully trained pro-wrestler." I remember WCW did this towards the end with some of the Nitro girls, and it was god awful.

[Jericholic82 0]

Need I mention the infamous Jackie Gayda match from RAW several years ago?

That was wwes fault for putting someone so green on RAW. But yea, Trish was pissed

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

The Canadian Destroyer

[Guest Macaroni]

The Irish whip.

[Guest Oblivious Heel]

Young guys in their prime selling for Ric Flair.

[alfdogg 0]

Steiner kind of looks like a robot whose arms suddenly rusted and he couldn't move them.

[hyperchord24 0]

I would add that a lot of WWE's garbage "hardcore" matches of the last five years or so have been pretty business exposing. It's hard to get into a match or find it believable when the garbage can lids and cookie sheets the guys are hitting each other with look like tin foil.

 

Also, any time a referee gets knocked down and lays unconscious for more than 30 seconds or so.

 

At least most of the chair shots you see on TV nowadays generally look good, and are sold like death.

That reminds me of Balls Mahoney's terrible sell of Cena's chair shot a few weeks ago. Balls was bent over, Cena hits him in the back with the chair, then Balls sells it by falling backward?

[haws bah gawd 0]

Just goes to show you that Steiner's muscles have gotten so developed, he can send you face-first into the mat with a mere flick of his fingers.

 

Really though, the irish whip has to be, hands-down, the most business-exposing technique in wrestling history.

 

I'll throw in the FU for honorable mention. Who would lay there, submissively across this guy's shoulders, while he plays to the crowd, knowing hes about to flip you to the mat?

[Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0]

At the end of the Three Stages of Hell match at NWO '01, HHH is blading and the camera zoomed on to it.

Blading in general exposes the business.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

At the end of the Three Stages of Hell match at NWO '01, HHH is blading and the camera zoomed on to it.

Blading in general exposes the business.

I don't think that Hunter was blading at the end. He got hit with a can of drink and it looked like he was reacting to that.

[haVoc 0]

HHH was blading. Austin was the one who got hit with the beer can.

[razazteca 0]

I guess you could put that under "putting someone in a wrestling match when it's blatantly obvious they're not a fully trained pro-wrestler." I remember WCW did this towards the end with some of the Nitro girls, and it was god awful.

Mr. T vs Kevin Sullivan from WCW Starcade 1994. Is one of the worst if not the worst celebrity wrestling match in the history of pro wrestling! This match is worse then the Jay Leno, Kevin Ewbanks, Karl Malone, Dennis Rodman matches that happened years later. Coming to think of it WCW had a bad habit of putting celebrities in the ring for the hell of it thinking "Hey it worked for WWF in the 80's it has to work for us!".

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I never understood why they brought in Mr. T to WCW in the first place. He hadn't really been popular or in the national spotlight for almost ten years.

 

But, yeah, looking back, WCW had a bad habit of putting celebs in wrestling matches...Jay Leno, Dennis Rodman, Kevin Greene, Mongo, Reggie White, David Arquette, etc.

[spman 0]

I guess you could put that under "putting someone in a wrestling match when it's blatantly obvious they're not a fully trained pro-wrestler." I remember WCW did this towards the end with some of the Nitro girls, and it was god awful.

 

 

WWE still does this to this very day putting women like Ashley Massaro, Torrie Wilson, Stacy Keibler, Maria, and others who have absolutely no serious wrestling training at all, in legitimate wrestling matches on TV and Pay Per View, and the results are always horrible.

 

The biggest business exposing move in my opinion is when a wrestler botches a spot severely, and then just gets up and repeats the spot.

[razazteca 0]

I never understood why they brought in Mr. T to WCW in the first place. He hadn't really been popular or in the national spotlight for almost ten years.

 

But, yeah, looking back, WCW had a bad habit of putting celebs in wrestling matches...Jay Leno, Dennis Rodman, Kevin Greene, Mongo, Reggie White, David Arquette, etc.

I go back to my orginal post in the thread.....Hulk Hogan. From the time he entered WCW in 1994 the company went downhill from the bad PPVs that featured Hogan vs Vader with the undercard consisting of Brutus Beefcake, Jim Duggan, Kamala, Dugueon of Fat Bastards lead by Sullivan who was trying to kill Hulkamania but killed my passion for pro wrestling when it got so fucking predictable that I could not watch. It also had Hulk Hogan changing his colors from the traditional mustard & ketchup to black at a rate of every 5 months because it got stale real fast. In a time period of about 5 years of doing the same ol shit Hulk Hogan KILLED pro wrestling on TBS/TNT. When the great orange goblin could'nt suck anymore heat out of Hall, Nash, Sting, Flair the company died.

 

FUCK YOU HULK HOGAN!

[spman 0]

I never understood why they brought in Mr. T to WCW in the first place. He hadn't really been popular or in the national spotlight for almost ten years.

 

But, yeah, looking back, WCW had a bad habit of putting celebs in wrestling matches...Jay Leno, Dennis Rodman, Kevin Greene, Mongo, Reggie White, David Arquette, etc.

I go back to my orginal post in the thread.....Hulk Hogan. From the time he entered WCW in 1994 the company went downhill from the bad PPVs that featured Hogan vs Vader with the undercard consisting of Brutus Beefcake, Jim Duggan, Kamala, Dugueon of Fat Bastards lead by Sullivan who was trying to kill Hulkamania but killed my passion for pro wrestling when it got so fucking predictable that I could not watch. It also had Hulk Hogan changing his colors from the traditional mustard & ketchup to black at a rate of every 5 months because it got stale real fast. In a time period of about 5 years of doing the same ol shit Hulk Hogan KILLED pro wrestling on TBS/TNT. When the great orange goblin could'nt suck anymore heat out of Hall, Nash, Sting, Flair the company died.

 

FUCK YOU HULK HOGAN!

 

The Doomsday Cage match at Uncensored 96 single handedly killed killed WCW, until it was miraculously revived by the NWO Angle. Had the NWO and Hogan's heel turned not taken off like a rocket, that match alone would have been the death of WCW 5 years early.

[razazteca 0]

WCW could of survived if it continued trading talent with Japan and Mexico and if people did not leave for WWF.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

A spot you see in a lot of Indy matches where one guy will sweep the legs of the other and go for a cover only to roll off him himself and then the other guy will sweep the legs, go for the cover and then roll himself off. It looks so contrived.

[BUTT 0]

I never understood why they brought in Mr. T to WCW in the first place. He hadn't really been popular or in the national spotlight for almost ten years.

 

But, yeah, looking back, WCW had a bad habit of putting celebs in wrestling matches...Jay Leno, Dennis Rodman, Kevin Greene, Mongo, Reggie White, David Arquette, etc.

I go back to my orginal post in the thread.....Hulk Hogan. From the time he entered WCW in 1994 the company went downhill from the bad PPVs that featured Hogan vs Vader with the undercard consisting of Brutus Beefcake, Jim Duggan, Kamala, Dugueon of Fat Bastards lead by Sullivan who was trying to kill Hulkamania but killed my passion for pro wrestling when it got so fucking predictable that I could not watch. It also had Hulk Hogan changing his colors from the traditional mustard & ketchup to black at a rate of every 5 months because it got stale real fast. In a time period of about 5 years of doing the same ol shit Hulk Hogan KILLED pro wrestling on TBS/TNT. When the great orange goblin could'nt suck anymore heat out of Hall, Nash, Sting, Flair the company died.

 

FUCK YOU HULK HOGAN!

 

The Doomsday Cage match at Uncensored 96 single handedly killed killed WCW, until it was miraculously revived by the NWO Angle. Had the NWO and Hogan's heel turned not taken off like a rocket, that match alone would have been the death of WCW 5 years early.

 

Just because a match has achieved Wrestlecrap infamy on the 'net doesn't mean it "killed the company". Sure it was horrible, but so was a lot of other stuff during that period and I don't see how you can seriously state that it almost killed WCW.