Boxing Thread

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Eh, this is what I get for chosing to view a post. Discussing balls on the internet is about as fruitless as it is in real life, ignore function saves scrolling time, I come from a boxing family(though we suck), and almost all my posts are edited multiple times.

 

Anyway, Dempsey's mauling of the 6'6" Willard is required viewing and proof that the better heavyweights of yesterday can't be discounted caue of their size. I would wager he would give most modern heavies a run for their money. I haven't read his book, sorry. Boxing lessons, I would recommend a trainer of some sort as your always going to be doing somthing wrong without knowing it. You need another set of eyes.

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Don't worry about it, I'm glad you didn't fly off the handle like some would have. I'm glad you chose to respond to the content in my post, you should take me off ignore and do so in the future, as it is quite educational!

 

Seriously, he actually writes about that fight in the intro, about how he was nervous because he was outweighed by about 50 lbs and the other guy looked like a sculpture. He then explains that it is his use of proper speed and power that caused to him to destroy the opponent, which is what he goes into in the book. The training is something that I do, but the thing is it's hard for them to go into specific technical issues when there's a large group of people training. I figure looking at some fundamentals and trying to gain an edge can't really be bad or anything. The way I look at it is that most people have bad habits, and it's hard for the trainer to correct them unless you're taking one on one lessons. I just figure to supplement my training in the gym with this would help me curb some of those bad habits before they start.

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I should probably look into that Dempsey book, sounds interesting. Footage of him is limited but what's there is wild stuff. Them thin leather gloves man...damn.

 

"I figure looking at some fundamentals and trying to gain an edge can't really be bad or anything. The way I look at it is that most people have bad habits, and it's hard for the trainer to correct them unless you're taking one on one lessons. I just figure to supplement my training in the gym with this would help me curb some of those bad habits before they start."

 

Private training is the best if it's something your really serious about doing, though I imagine it's rare or expensive in some places. I used to study old school Tyson's leg leverage for punching power...though it obviously didn't help me much. Good luck if your pursuing some sort of career in boxing, and please be fucking careful in the ring regardless of circumstances.

 

And in other news, it looks like Ruslan and Sultan is official for the first unification bout since the Holyfield/Lewis farce. From what I've seen, both were impressive against huge lugs they couldn't knock out. I see White Tyson pulling this one out with a possible decision though it's hard to say.

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I'm actually using it for MMA but thanks regardless. I figure at this point if I ever want to go far that private instruction will be necessary at certain points, but you're right in that it is expensive for the most part.

 

Where did you find the footage of him? Online or tapes?

 

I will upload the book when I get home, it's not in print but it's a small pdf file, like 5 MB so it's no biggie. I'm sure others here might have some interest in it as well.

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This is from boxingvideoclassics.com:

 

DEMPSEY, JACK TKO 4 JESS WILLARD 07-04-19 WORLD G+ -

DEMPSEY, JACK KO 12 BILL BRENNAN II 12-14-20 WORLD VG rds 1,3,4,10,12 11min

DEMPSEY, JACK KO 12 BILL BRENNAN II 12-14-20 WORLD VG rds 1,3,4,10,12

DEMPSEY, JACK KO 4 GEORGES CARPENTIER 00-00-21

VG hl rd 4

DEMPSEY, JACK KO 2 LUIS ANGEL FIRPO 09-14-23 WORLD G about 2 minutes

DEMPSEY, JACK UDEC10 GENE TUNNEY I 09-23-26

G 11 min, highlights

DEMPSEY, JACK UDEC10 GENE TUNNEY I 09-23-26

VG rds 1,6,9,10

DEMPSEY, JACK KO 7 JACK SHARKEY 07-21-27 WORLD G highlights only

 

You should be able to find some of this stuff on youtube, though it's hard to say if it's still all up.

 

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Jack Dempsey vs. Luis Angel Firpo (MUST WATCH FIGHT)

 

Honestly, I think Dempsey was overrated as a fighter. His big wins came against either large fighters with little boxing skill, or much smaller competitors (Georges Carpentier was like taking on Oscar De La Hoya). The advantage Dempsey had was that he could knock down a fighter, swarm over him and punch him immediately when he rose, before the downed fighter could even reposition himself. Check out footage of the Jess Willard fight for an example of that. Gene Tunney was the most skilled boxer Dempsey fought, and Tunney dominated the action in 19 of 20 rounds.

 

Not to discredit Dempsey. Boxing was just fought differently in those times. I'm not certain a fighter could come from that era and win today without adjusting his style.

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"Not to discredit Dempsey. Boxing was just fought differently in those times. I'm not certain a fighter could come from that era and win today without adjusting his style."

 

They were tough as nails though; insane schedules by today's standards, lighter gloves, more rounds in most instances, no rules or early stoppages to protect hurt fighters. I'm not sure some would be as dominating but someone like Dempsey would still raise some serious hell. Tunney was a great fighter as well, I believe he only had like one lost before challenging Dempsey.

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The book (which has some unintentional hilarity due to being released in 1950):

 

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F4Z8YDQG

 

Thanks for the link Al.

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Is anyone else watching this Brewster/Klitschko fight? I thought it was the first one, but apparently TSN must have bought rights from HBO to show it, as they're showing it live for free.

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I saw the last four rounds or so, was pretty much what I expected. A patient Wlad picking his spots against a shelled up survival mode Brewster. The odd stoppage was probably for Brewster's best, but not exactly for the the fans or for Wlad(who didn't even look like he turned it up yet). Evidently, Wlad injured his left hand early and that hopefully won't prevent him from fighting again before the end of the year.

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The welterweight tripleheader on HBO tonight was the best programming they've had in years. I couldn't make it out to HDC for the Margarito/Williams fight, so I stayed home. Glad I did.

 

War was on tonight. Glad Gatti didn't get hurt more than he did, shouldn't have been in the ring to begin with. Gomez was raining bombs on his head in the last round.

 

Speaking of Williams, guy needs to get in the ring with Cotto, yesterday.

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Winky Wright was robbed! He was the aggressor the majority of the fight maybe losing the last 4 and he should of gotten credit for the "accidental" headbutt that Bernard hit him with. I don't know how a fighter can win by clitching for 6 straight rounds!

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That was a shitty fight. The Michael Katsidis fight on the under was the FOTY and the shitty main nearly made me forget about it.

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DAMN the Aussie! that fight should of been called early due to his eye being all kinds of fucked up! I swear is his eyelid was going to fall off if it took any more damage! Some fight of the year I tell you what.

 

You're winner, Katsidis with 2 cuts on the eyelid and one on the lower right eye + a cut on the lower left eye!

 

By Ronnie Nathanielsz

PhilBoxing.com

Sun, 22 Jul 2007

 

Czar Amonsot who engaged undefeated WBO lightweight champion Michael Katsidis in a total war over twelve rounds in Las Vegas is in the ICU at a Las Vegas Hospital after a CT Scan detected what appeared to be a “little blod clot in his brain.”

 

Respected boxing patron Tony Aldeguer told Viva Sports/Manila Standard Today that his son Michael who was with Amonsot is by his side and a specialist has been called in to evaluate the situation .

 

Howeve, doctors initially said it was nothing serious but they wanted to make sure and confined him to the ICU for observation.

 

After the fight Katsidis looked the beaten man with his face a grotesque mass with cuts and swelling on both eyes and cheeks while Amonost didnt even have a scratch.

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LONDON (AP) - Ricky Hatton and Floyd Mayweather Jr. look set to fight before the end of the year.

 

Hatton's father said Saturday that his son (43-0, 31 knockouts) has reportedly agreed in principle to fight the American, probably in Las Vegas in November or December.

"The date and venue is up in the air, but we agreed via our lawyers what the financial side of it is going to be," Ray Hatton said. "I can't honestly tell you a deal has been done until I see the signatures on all the documents.

 

"Both sides were happy with what we finalized verbally."

 

The BBC reported that an official announcement could be made as early as Monday.

 

Ray Hatton did not say what weight the pair would fight at, although Hatton will likely move up to meet Mayweather, who won the 154-pound WBC super welterweight title against Oscar De La Hoya in May.

 

As much as I like Floyd, nothing would please me more than to see Hatton beat him into the ground.

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Ricky would lose a close one. That hold and hit won't work against Floyd.

[Guest]

Holyfield's getting his title shot against Ibragimov.

 

hehe

 

I hope Evan Fields wins.

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For what alphabet belt is that for IBO. IBC, IBF, WBO, WBC, WBA, NABF, other?

[Guest]

WBO.

 

I know he'll win it.

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In Russia? What is this a remake of Rocky 4 staring Cedic the Entertainer and Oleg Tarkalov?

[Guest]

Vazquez/Marquez tonight is required viewing for all boxing fans. Find a way to get a look at it.

 

Erik got robbed tonight. That was fucking bullshit. Damn, I thought he had it.

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That was some hometown judging for Diaz on Saturday.

 

I hope Marquez & Vasquez fight again next year.

[Guest]

Cotto/Mosley on November 10.

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Cnnsi is reporting that Shane Mosley started an 'elaborate doping regimen' for his rematch with Oscar.

 

Sad.

[Guest]

I can't wait to see Taylor eat fist tomorrow.

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Sleep well, Jermain.

 

 

[Guest]

I thought Pavlik was out to lunch in round 2. Smoger is the only ref that wouldn't have stopped it.

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Whichever judge gave Taylor five out of six rounds needs to have their eyes checked.

 

It was a great fight, and you can argue Taylor was ahead on points (although I had Pavlik 57-56 at that point), but to say Taylor won five rounds is ludicrous.

 

I'm almost glad the KO took it out of the judge's hands.

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Why aren't you glad? A definitive finish is always better than a judges' decision.

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I like fights going the distance. Especially when they're that entertaining.