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More late inning heroics from Delgado, as his pinch-hit RBI single in the top of the ninth ties the game at four.

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I think the Phillies should trade Rowand in the offseason. Victorino in my opinion is just a flat out better player. Rowand when a ball is hit deep in the outfield will run into a wall to make the catch. Victorino is standing there with his back to the wall waiting for the ball. His game has no holes in it. He can make contact, has reasonable discipline, has some pop, runs like hell, has great defensive instincts, and an absolute cannon for an arm (11 outfield assists, 4th in the NL).

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I completely agree with everything you said.

 

Rowand has also been noticeably not the same player since the Facecrusher Catch against the Mets.

Rowand's an overrated player for two reasons. One, he had that great offensive season in 2004 where he hit .310, and fans sometimes expect to see that again. He's pretty much established himself as an average offensive player. Second, he's a hard-nosed player which is nice sometimes, but if Abreu's a losing player, what does that say for Rowand? Both the Phillies' hot streaks came with Rowand on the shelf.

 

EDIT: Upon further review I think I'm off on the hot streaks. Still, what good is a "winning" player when the team doesn't win?

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Valentin scores from third on a wild pitch and the Mets take a 5-4 lead in the top of the 11th. Didn't see that coming.

 

Edit: Annnnd then a throwing error to third allows Ricky Ledee to score from second. 6-4.

 

Edit the second: Lo Duca RBI single. 7-4.

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Yes, that lazy Bobby Abreu.

 

Wow, he acts un-lazy because he's playing in the most popular baseball city in America. Wow. And actually has a spotlight on him. And has management that pressures him to perform. As opposed to Philadelphia, where baseball is the 4th most popular sport following the Eagles, Flyers, and 76ers, and no one cares about baseball at all, and the management probably doesn't know half of the players' names.

 

Abreu having a good month for an actual contender doesn't take away the years of lazyness and untapped potential he wasted in Philly, smartass.

How the hell does a .411 career OBP, .303 batting average, 190+ home runs and 241 stolen bases equate into lazyness and untapped potential?!

It's a frat thing, Al.

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How the hell does a .411 career OBP, .303 batting average, 190+ home runs and 241 stolen bases equate into lazyness and untapped potential?!

 

His OBP is only so high because he's too lazy to swing at pitches

 

Re: The Braves

 

I concur with labeling their run 'great' but not 'excellent'

 

Excellence implies success of the highest degree. In my eyes post-season success is what seperates the excellent from the merely good and great. Post-season success defines true excellence. The Braves were a great regular season team, an excellent regular season team, but the true measure is championships, and when you make the post-season 14 times in a row and only win ONE championship, that's coming up short. When you make the WS 5 times and only win once, that's coming up short.

 

The Bills won 5 AFC East titles in 6 years and went to 4 straight Super Bowls. But they didn't win anything. Were they a great team? Yeah, I guess, but they weren't excellent.

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I was impressed with Rowand when he made great plays and hit over .300 to start the season before getting injured.

 

However, when the ridiculous "Roward: Philadelphia Hero" crap started circulating after he made the catch, including WIP calling it "One of the Greatest Catches in Baseball History" and by far "The Greatest Play in Phillies History", it bothered me for two reasons:

 

1) Neither is true.

 

and 2) The fans would suddenly "riot" if Rowand was dealt, released, or traded when and if he slumped or they needed to trade him to free up room for someone else. We'd be stuck with him because of that catch.

 

Glad to see Victorino contintuing to hit and outshine him. :)

 

I plan on attending one of every home series left that I can get to. And the playoffs, obviously, which would just be amazing. These $4 off "College Days" are sweet, 1 each series!

 

Team Canada's Joey Devine in to pitch for the Braves in the 9th.

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I'll be at fan appreciation day on the 24th, section 303.

 

Excellence implies success of the highest degree. In my eyes post-season success is what seperates the excellent from the merely good and great. Post-season success defines true excellence. The Braves were a great regular season team, an excellent regular season team, but the true measure is championships, and when you make the post-season 14 times in a row and only win ONE championship, that's coming up short. When you make the WS 5 times and only win once, that's coming up short.

 

Postseason success these days is a crapshoot. The playoffs are an eight team, single elimination tournament. The odds are stacked against every team.

 

The measure of a great team is uncommon success. Consider these points.

 

-The Braves from 1995-99 were one of only two teams in MLB history to lead their league in wins for five consecutive seasons.

 

-The Braves from 1997-99 are one of only five teams in MLB history to win 100 games or more for three consecutive seasons.

 

If we didn't have divisions, it's possible the Braves would be every bit as impressive as the 1949-53 Yankees. After all, would they have won five World Series if they had to play two more rounds?

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Marlins really pissed the last two games away against the Mets. They should have realistically swept the series. Oh well - hopefully they can get hot one more time and even if they can't... great year.

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I'll be at fan appreciation day on the 24th, section 303.

 

Excellence implies success of the highest degree. In my eyes post-season success is what seperates the excellent from the merely good and great. Post-season success defines true excellence. The Braves were a great regular season team, an excellent regular season team, but the true measure is championships, and when you make the post-season 14 times in a row and only win ONE championship, that's coming up short. When you make the WS 5 times and only win once, that's coming up short.

 

Postseason success these days is a crapshoot. The playoffs are an eight team, single elimination tournament. The odds are stacked against every team.

 

The measure of a great team is uncommon success. Consider these points.

 

-The Braves from 1995-99 were one of only two teams in MLB history to lead their league in wins for five consecutive seasons.

 

-The Braves from 1997-99 are one of only five teams in MLB history to win 100 games or more for three consecutive seasons.

 

If we didn't have divisions, it's possible the Braves would be every bit as impressive as the 1949-53 Yankees. After all, would they have won five World Series if they had to play two more rounds?

 

Oh, believe me, I see your point, and I won't even try and argue it. It really comes down to a semantics argument. I'm not disputing the sustained, unparalleled greatness of the Braves. But IMO you win or go home. The Braves won a whole lot of division titles just to go home losers every year.

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The guy who does the lead in to Mike & The Mad Dog's YES network show just said Liriano may need Tommy John surgery. I'm not a fan of the Twins by any means, but it's never good to see a promising young pitcher's career possibly be over before it starts.

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The guy who does the lead in to Mike & The Mad Dog's YES network show just said Liriano may need Tommy John surgery. I'm not a fan of the Twins by any means, but it's never good to see a promising young pitcher's career possibly be over before it starts.

 

You are talking about Joe Benigno. If Liriano needs Tommy John surgery he is going to be out for 18 months. The talk is how Tommy John surgery makes the arm stronger and adds a couple of mph to the pitches.

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The guy who does the lead in to Mike & The Mad Dog's YES network show just said Liriano may need Tommy John surgery. I'm not a fan of the Twins by any means, but it's never good to see a promising young pitcher's career possibly be over before it starts.

 

You are talking about Joe Benigno. If Liriano needs Tommy John surgery he is going to be out for 18 months. The talk is how Tommy John surgery makes the arm stronger and adds a couple of mph to the pitches.

 

No, I think his name is Chris Schneer or Sheer. He's the baldheaded guy that's on the TV as the "pre/post game" guy. TJ surgery may make the arm stronger, but everyone responds to surgery differently. Liriano was looking like one of the top 5 or 10 pitchers in all of baseball this year, and now he's possibly done until opening day 2008.

 

EDIT: I just heard one of the most retarded statements of all time right now as some idiot just called in and stated without equivocation that Melky Cabrera is just as good a hitter as Matsui. He then went on to support his argument by saying that Melky's half season of play is comparable to Matsui's entire career.

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Al, what's the record for most errors in a nine-inning game? The Cubs now have six on the night and probably should have seven.

Sorry it took me awhile. The record for errors is 24, set by the 1876 Boston Red Caps in a game against the St. Louis Brown Stockings. Of course, they weren't playing with gloves or well groomed infields then. The post-1900 record is 12, by both the 1901 Detroit Tigers and 1903 Chicago White Sox.

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The guy who does the lead in to Mike & The Mad Dog's YES network show just said Liriano may need Tommy John surgery. I'm not a fan of the Twins by any means, but it's never good to see a promising young pitcher's career possibly be over before it starts.

 

You are talking about Joe Benigno. If Liriano needs Tommy John surgery he is going to be out for 18 months. The talk is how Tommy John surgery makes the arm stronger and adds a couple of mph to the pitches.

 

No, I think his name is Chris Schneer or Sheer. He's the baldheaded guy that's on the TV as the "pre/post game" guy. TJ surgery may make the arm stronger, but everyone responds to surgery differently. Liriano was looking like one of the top 5 or 10 pitchers in all of baseball this year, and now he's possibly done until opening day 2008.

 

EDIT: I just heard one of the most retarded statements of all time right now as some idiot just called in and stated without equivocation that Melky Cabrera is just as good a hitter as Matsui. He then went on to support his argument by saying that Melky's half season of play is comparable to Matsui's entire career.

 

 

Melky is having a great season for someone his age but he is nowhere near Matsui's level yet. I think Yankee fans just want to see him play lf in the playoffs due to his defense.

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Melky isn't that far away from Matsui territory. He's a better fielder than Matsui, and is still really young, but I agree, Matsui is still better.

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Speculation runs rampant that the Astros and Woody Williams are interested (very interested) in working together next year. An Astros team with Woody Willams could win anywhere from 75-140 ballgames. I like Woody.

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Speculation runs rampant that the Astros and Woody Williams are interested (very interested) in working together next year. An Astros team with Woody Willams could win anywhere from 75-140 ballgames. I like Woody.

 

Huh? He wasn't that good in San Diego, a pitching park. How is he going to be any better in a hitter's park?

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According to the AP, Francisco Liriano does not have structural or ligament damage to his left arm, according to an MRI scan.

 

That is good news for the Twins which means that it is quite possible that he could be ready to return by the start of next season.

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Speculation runs rampant that the Astros and Woody Williams are interested (very interested) in working together next year. An Astros team with Woody Willams could win anywhere from 75-140 ballgames. I like Woody.

 

Huh? He wasn't that good in San Diego, a pitching park. How is he going to be any better in a hitter's park?

 

Woody hasn't been THAT bad. He's got a career K:BB rate of about 2:1 and an ERA in the low 4's. He'd be a mostly effective as a 4th starter in Houston. And Houston's not an extreme hitter's park. It's played mostly neutral since it opened. I, for one, will welcome the Woody era with open arms.

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Speculation runs rampant that the Astros and Woody Williams are interested (very interested) in working together next year. An Astros team with Woody Willams could win anywhere from 75-140 ballgames. I like Woody.

 

Huh? He wasn't that good in San Diego, a pitching park. How is he going to be any better in a hitter's park?

 

Woody hasn't been THAT bad. He's got a career K:BB rate of about 2:1 and an ERA in the low 4's. He'd be a mostly effective as a 4th starter in Houston. And Houston's not an extreme hitter's park. It's played mostly neutral since it opened. I, for one, will welcome the Woody era with open arms.

He's 40 years old. How long do you think this era is going to last?

 

This season is an aberration, and it's not even a particularly good aberration. He stunk last year, and he was average at best the two seasons before that.

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But he won 18 games in 2003. And his career ERA at Minute Maid Park is extremely good. And his name is Woody. Think of all the sexual inneundos the writers could use as headlines:

 

"Woody proves STIFF competition for Cubs"

"Woody proves HARD to beat for Fish"

"Astros break out their WOOD for Woody"

 

And so on....

 

Either way, I think Woody would be a good, cheap 4th starter. He's a hometown guy, so he'd be cheap and easy enough to get out from under if he did really bad. Pick up Woody, another middle of the rotation guy, and Carlos Lee and that'll be the end of that chapter.

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Tomorrow is going to be the last game Jim Kaat is going to call. Kaat is probably the classiest commentator there is right now, and he's had a hell of a career both on the field, and off it.

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