2006-07 MLB Offseason Thread

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

LOVE the Pettitte signing.

 

The Yankees would never give Clemens the perks that he wants like what he got in Houston.

[Guest Princess Leena]

We'll see about that when their elderly pitching staff breaks down again midseason.

[geniusMoment 0]

The Houston Chronicle's Richard Justice believes that, with Andy Pettitte gone from Houston, the Red Sox may now be the favorites to land Roger Clemens, should the 44-year-old return for another season.

 

 

 

I love it. Houston might as well just parade around that fat fuck Carlos Lee on the dumbass train they have in the ballpark, as their season is done.

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

This next week around here should be fun since all the Astro fans will be flipping out and suddenly hating Pettitte. Couple that with the possibility of Vince Young beating the Texans and sports talk could be a whole lot of fun.

 

The question now is when does Clemens make his Yankees debut? May? June?

 

I'm going to find it more humorous seeing all the Yankee fans that have spent the last 3 years bitching about Andy leaving their precious team and hating on him suddenly jumping on his badwagon again.

 

Then, when his sore elbow leads to an ERA approaching 5 they'll start bitching about him again. I'm sorry folks but AP had an ERA of 4.50 in the league that couldn't hit!

 

BTW, what does the Lee signing have to do with any of this? The Astros made Hendricks a competitive offer, they refused. Big deal.

[Brett Favre 0]

He was the best pitcher in the last month of the season in the NL, and he started 35 games last year. He's not much of an injury concern.

[vivalaultra 0]

Hmmm...I guess Andy Pettitte's New York mistress makes better eggs than his wife. Hopefully for him and the Yankees he doesn't have a first half like he did in 2006. At least now we won't have to go through this "Will he or won't he?" saga with Clemens and Pettitte. Now we can go through the whole "He's a fuckin' traitor!" saga. I certainly hope that the #2 starter the Astros are shooting for is a good lefty...otherwise Wandy Rodriguez is gonna get in the rotation somewhere.

 

Edit: And now I just heard on the radio that the Astros are entering negotiations for Barry Zito. This is going to get worse before it gets better.

[Cartman 0]

Pettitte should have never left the Yankees in the first place. He IS a Yankee and always should be in my eyes. I was actually sad when he left because it just didn't seem right.

[Vern Gagne 0]

I wonder how Anglesault feels about the traitor returning to the Yankees?

[vivalaultra 0]

Suppose, hypothetically, that the 07 season starts and the Astros come out of the gates hotter than Hell. Berkman and Carlos Lee lead the charge of the "Slammin' Stros"! Roger Clemens, sitting in his season tickets behind homeplate, likes what he sees and decides on May 1st that he likes it at home; he likes the arrangement he has in Houston, so he decides to lace up the cleats for another half season. Clemens tears it up, going 10-1 with an ERA in the low 1's. The Astros easily win the division with an 8.5 game lead over the Cubs. Meanwhile, over in the AL, Andy Pettitte's comeback goes pretty well; he finishes the season with a 15-8 record and an ERA of 4.50. Of course, the Yankees win their division. Back in the NL, the 'Stros rampage through the NLDS and the NLCS while the Yankees make it all the way to the World Series. Suppose, on top of that, the National League won the All-Star game. Then the World Series features the Astros against the Yankees. It all comes down to Game 7 at Minute Maid Park with a pitching matchup of Clemens vs. Pettitte. That would be...interesting, to say the least. It'll never come down to that, though, for, in order for this scenario to take place, the National League would actually have to win the All-Star game...and that, of course, will never, ever, ever happen.

[Guest Smues]

Suppose.

 

Suppose I'm in the shower and I slip on a bar of soap.

 

....

 

OH MY GOD I'D BE KILLED!

[Guest NYankees]

Maybe Pettitte had a falling out with Clemens. If they didn't have a falling out, I cant picture Clemens leaving his man crush/love for the Red Sox.

 

Did anybody listen to Mike and the Mad Dog today? What did they have to say? I am definately going to listen to Dog's show tommorow.

[devo 0]

I caught a little bit of the show today and all they basically said was that it was a very good signing for the Yankees. They cited his ability to play in New York and his playoff experience as particularly good attributes.

[Guest NYankees]

I just read that Pettitte is going to be on a 10 day hunting trip and wont take his physical until after the trip is over. The Yankees and Pettitte have a gentleman's agreement that if he is injured he wont take the player option for 2008. The Astros only offered Pettitte a one year deal.

[geniusMoment 0]

That's the Astros for you, they come inches from greatness but just screw it up once they realize who they are.

[vivalaultra 0]

The Astros offered 1 yr./$14 million. They would've went higher in the dollar amount, but they weren't going to go more than one year. Pettitte and his agents wanted a one-year deal with a player option for a 2nd. The Astros didn't want to do that. I can understand why. That would just give Andy the right to do the whole "Will he or won't he?" thing again next season. Player options are stupid. At least go for a mutual option.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

The player option isn't so bad, because at least it sets a deadline.

[strummer 0]

Gary Carter has left the Mets organization after being passed over for the 1st base coach job (to Howard Johnson) and his unwillingness to manage the Mets AA Binghamton club due to the long bus rides buggering his knees. I was hoping Carter would make it to the big club one day as he was one of my favorite players as a kid.

[Guest NYankees]

I dont blame him. Carter is a Hall of Famer and HoJo was a steroid user who had a couple of good seasons.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

And the Cubs take a guy who no one wanted and give him a three-year deal for $20 million. Superb. I was just thinking they didn't have enough guys who rarely saw the sixth inning.

[Guest NYankees]

Was it the Cardinals who got Kip Wells for 1 year 2-4 million? That might be the most sane contract for a mediocore pitcher in this off season.

[The Man in Blak 0]

Rothschild might teach Marquis to give up that trademark hanging curveball he's been developing over the last two years, but he might have better odds teaching a rock to sing the alphabet song. An absolutely disastrous signing by the Cubs. The Royals at least have an excuse that they're trying to show free agents that they are willing to spend; the Cubs have no such excuse for giving out a three-year deal to a guy that probably enters the clubs as the thirteenth best pitcher that they have.

[Guest NYankees]

Jay Payton signs a 2 year contract with the Orioles. Marving must be jumping up and down with joy.

 

Jason Stark wrote a story of how Bud Selig was upset with the Astros for giving Carlos Lee a 6 year 100 million dollar deal and that is the reason why they didn't offer Pettitte more money and another year.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Rothschild might teach Marquis to give up that trademark hanging curveball he's been developing over the last two years, but he might have better odds teaching a rock to sing the alphabet song. An absolutely disastrous signing by the Cubs. The Royals at least have an excuse that they're trying to show free agents that they are willing to spend; the Cubs have no such excuse for giving out a three-year deal to a guy that probably enters the clubs as the thirteenth best pitcher that they have.

In fairness, he's also now one of their most disciplined hitters.

[Guest "Go, Mordecai!"]

I'm one bonehead signing away from buying a Twins cap at the mall tomorrow.

 

"He has the arm strength. I'm not sure what happened in St. Louis last year -- I have some ideas as I think a lot of people do -- but I think it was a little bit of a confidence thing."

Oooookay, if you have no confidence playing in Saint Louis, Missouri, a.k.a Baseball Heaven Where The Best Fans In Baseball Are And Players Take Pay Cuts To Play There Even Though It's Just A Dismal Small Town On The River That Gets Humid As Fuck In The Summer, I don't see how he's going to get it together in Chicago.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Well, last year might have been an aberration. There's a chance Marquis returns to his 2004-05 form, and if that happens it's a better deal.

[vivalaultra 0]

The Jayson Stark column where he alludes to Bud Selig getting mad at the Astros for offering Carlos Lee $100 million, and thus, making them not want to offer Andy more than $14 million doesn't make any sense. Considering Alfonso Soriano got $118 million, I don't see how $18 million less for the 2nd best FA hitter could raise the ire of the Commish. And, the Astros actually offered $12 million less to Lee than did the SF Giants. It's not like offering a top of the line FA a hundred million dollar contract was a ridiculous, unheard of move this offseason. It's not like the 'Stros offered $55 million to Gary Matthews, Jr. or $28 million to Jason Marquis or anything. And I'm also quite certain that the signing of Carlos Lee had nothing to do with the non-signing of Pettitte; the Astros' Front Office just don't think he's worth $30 million over the next two seasons. There's already alot of money tied up for next season in Berkman, Oswalt, and Carlos Lee, so signing Andy Pettitte for two years would've almost certainly taken them out of the running of trying to land a Vernon Wells or someone like that in the '07 offseason. I must also state that I'm more sad to see Russ Springer go to the Cardinals than I am to see Pettitte go to the Yankees. I loved Big Spring.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

I don't think Marquis is as bad as his 2006 ERA indicates, since he had two atrocious starts that pumped it up. Still, I don't see why there's a need to go three years on a guy who didn't seem to be getting any interest for a one-year deal. This also concerns me, since it suggest that if by some miracle of god, Prior and Miller are ever healthy at the same time, what becomes of Rich Hill? Not that we'll have to worry about such matters, but it's something to think about.

[Guest "Go, Mordecai!"]

I don't want to say the Cubs have been making bad deals, but when I updated my MVP 2005 rosters to put these guys on, it would say

 

Are you sure you want to add 3B Mark DeRosa?

 

[Yes] [No]

 

and I'd click [Yes] and then it'd say

 

No, really. Are you sure?

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Jay Payton signs a 2 year contract with the Orioles. Marving must be jumping up and down with joy.

 

Jason Stark wrote a story of how Bud Selig was upset with the Astros for giving Carlos Lee a 6 year 100 million dollar deal and that is the reason why they didn't offer Pettitte more money and another year.

 

The Os are really hot on Marcus Thames and I assume that signing Payton compliments that move if they eventually get it done, but in no way should Payton be a starting OF. Problem I have is that the article I saw said the main reason he's with the Os is because he felt hed be a starter in Baltimore, but at least hes better than the mess they had in the OF last year.

 

Problem is neither of them are big name enough to draw people to the Camden Yards, nor are they probably going to put up the kind of offense that the Os need. This is a lot like them signing guys like Marty Cordova and David Segui a few years ago.

[Mik 0]

Man, the D-Rays are tough. They expect too much back. I've heard rumors of them asking for a ton in return before but now I know first hand how crazy they can be.

 

They turned down Ricky Nolasco for BJ Upton. That's understandable, even though BJ is gonna ride the pine for them he's still a stud uber-prospect and Nolasco is the worst of Florida's amazing young pitching.

 

But they turned down future lefty ace and 18-20 game winner Scott Olsen for Rocco Baldelli saying that they want at least two members of Florida's starting rotation. That's just asking a lot for a guy with injury problems.

 

Looks like the Marlins are settling in on David Murphy from the Red Sox to play CF next year.