NBA Roundtable Discussion

[Guest]

At this point for the Lakers, I'd try anything.

[naiwf 0]

I'd like to see Pippen in Miami for some reason, though I'm not really sure why since they already have the market cornered on aging stars.

[Precious Roy 0]

I think he should go back to Houston

[Broward83 0]

I think he should go back to Houston

 

 

He can stay the fuck away from Houston.

[Just John 0]

The Rockets need another old guy about as badly as the Heat.

[alfdogg 0]

OK, this is primarily for 909 and other Laker fans. I can't believe no one here's touched on this yet, but since the rumors are being discussed on TNT right now, what would you be willing to give up for Jason Kidd?

[Ripper 0]

I think it hasn't been touched on because it would take some other team coming in the mix or just plain sheer stupidty to get this deal done. Its like me wishing the TImberwolves would trade KG to the suns for Kurt Thomas and James jones.

 

There is just nothing short of ANdrew Bynum, Lamar Odem or Kobe Bryant that would make sense for the Nets to take for Jason Kidd. And the lakers would be fools to trade any of those three when(well...we know they aint trading Kobe.

[Failed Bridge 0]

ya, the Nets want Bynum and the Lakers aint giving him up.

 

I'm pretty sure we'll see Vince Carter getting traded and Kidd staying. Supposedly Vince wants to play somewhere closer to home like Orlando or Charlotte. Bobcats have enough chips to grab him if they really want him.

[Precious Roy 0]

There's no incentive for a team like Charlotte or Orlando to trade for Carter when they can just make a pitch to sign him after the season if/when he opts out of his contract. Maybe Otis Smith thinks Carter would be the key to the Magic contending this year, but I figure he's smarter than that, and with what he'd have to give up (probably Darko/Turkoglu or something comparable).....it doesn't make sense. I'm not really sure what destination makes sense for a Carter trade, so I don't think it will happen.

 

Kidd is a more likely trade scenario as a better overall player and proven winner/facilitator with a couple years left on his contract. I've never bought the Lakers talk since he's not a natural fit for the triangle and Bynum isn't going anywhere, I could maybe see the other LA team taking a run at him though. But ultimately I don't think he will be traded either.

[Guest]

I read some Peter Vescey thing that has the Nets sending Jason Kidd and Jason Collins for Smush, Kwame, Cook, Shammond Williams, Chris Mihm and Aaron McKie. That's a lot of expiring contracts.

 

Honestly, I really wouldn't want to give anything more than those players mentioned (or Farmar), because Kidd makes so much money.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I know a ton of those players are worthless, but you could get some use out of Kwame, Cook, and Mihm. And Smush is okay offensively even if he is a liability defensively. I would suppose for Jason Collins and Kidd you'd have a great deal, but you'd be leaving the frontcourt offense all up to Odom, what bigs would the Lakers have other than him and Bynum, who despite his decent play, is still very raw? Jason Collins? This still leaves L.A. pretty thin.

 

I guess this is okay if L.A. is trying to go into WIN NOW mode because this would dump a bunch of young with a couple of older players. And this still wouldn't make sense in that regard because this is the Suns' year, and even if they don't go all the way, there's still a couple teams that would be ahead of the Lakers in terms of quality.

[Black Lushus 0]

wouldn't that like, deplete their bench?

[Ripper 0]

wouldn't that like, deplete their bench?

Shammond williams, Chris Mihm and Aaron Mckie don't play as is.

 

Kwame and Smush, although they do play, you could argue that you don't suffer much fall off with Kidd and Collins(Collins may suck, but he can knock down a 15 footer fairly consistantly and will get defesive rebounds.)

[Guest]

Yes. The only way that works is if they signed some guys like Penny Hardaway and Scottie Pippen.

 

Really, I don't even care if the Lakers get Kidd. He's too old to give up the guys that I would consider to be our value players.

[Failed Bridge 0]

I wish

[Guest]

I was watching ESPN News earlier and Ric Bucher said that the Lakers might get Magloire and move him with Kwame for Kidd.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I was watching ESPN News earlier and Ric Bucher said that the Lakers might get Magloire and move him with Kwame for Kidd.

 

Are you sure you heard that exactly right? I heard Bucher this morning and he said that the Lakers would have to involve Magloire's contract to make a deal work, but I've since heard that the Nets have zero interest in acquiring him.

 

I think both sides want to make the deal, they just don't have the pieces to make it work. The biggest downside of the salary cap era in the NBA is the restrictions it places on trades. It's too hard to make a deal like this work out with the money involved.

[Guest]

He probably heard that the Nets don't have interest in Magloire after he said the thing about Magloire. He said it on that yes, no, maybe so segment.

[Brett Favre 0]

It's actually pretty easy, since they raised the difference in salaries to like 20-25% or so. The problem is the Lakers don't have much to give up other than expiring contracts since they don't want to give up Odom or Bynum.

[alfdogg 0]

David Aldridge pretty much said tonight that Bynum's the deal-breaker.

[Matt Young 0]

I also saw on ESPNews while at the gym that the Nets trading Kidd would be contingent on moving Vince Carter. If so, that's the first I have heard of that.

[Guest]

David Aldridge pretty much said tonight that Bynum's the deal-breaker.

No thanks.

 

However, I still think that a deal will get done. The Nets are trading from a position of "have-to", or Kidd loses more value, and that essentially leaves them with getting even less in a deal during the offseason.

[Just John 0]

I don't think getting Kidd helps the Lakers that much anyway. He'll take shots away from Smush Parker, which is a plus, but the Lakers really need another scorer before they need another distributor. Kobe is doing well as the primary ball-handler, he just needs more guys that can finish, especially in the front court. While Bynum still needs to grow a lot, giving him away would be counter-productive, especially for an aging guard that they don't need. Getting Kidd might allow the Lakers to go over the Rockets or Jazz (which I don't think they can do now), but no way does it get them past the big 3.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

David Aldridge pretty much said tonight that Bynum's the deal-breaker.

No thanks.

 

However, I still think that a deal will get done. The Nets are trading from a position of "have-to", or Kidd loses more value, and that essentially leaves them with getting even less in a deal during the offseason.

 

I don't think the Nets have to trade Kidd at all. I think Rod Thorn (who is a very good GM) knows that they aren't competitive this year, but it isn't time to blow it up either. He can offer Kidd and Carter to see what the market is knowing that they still have really good value. The Nets are 0-7 in games decied by two points or less. If that was turned around they'd be in thick of the Eastern Conference race. This team is not as bad as one might think.

 

If you're the Lakers, I think you make the deal even if it costs you Bynum. He's still many years away from being the franchise center they hope he becomes. Adding Kidd gives them a legitimate shot of winning the title now. I don't see how you can pass that opportunity up. Things change over time. Go with what you know today. The general rule for all NBA trades has always been the team getting the better player wins the trade. The Lakers are getting one of the five best PGs ever.

[Guest]

Local radio guy said that Kidd to LA is all but dead.

 

Also heard that Gasol to Bulls talks are dead, and that Gasol to Nets and Lakers talks have started.

 

From Marc Stein

 

One of the more interesting scenarios I heard Tuesday came from my ESPN colleague Ric Bucher, who reported on NBA Coast to Coast and SportsCenter that the Lakers recently had a deal in place to acquire Mike Bibby from Sacramento before Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof vetoed it, unable to stomach the thought of helping their playoff rivals of yesteryear.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Now Pau Gasol, THAT'S someone who'd benefit the Lakers. Much more consistent than Odom, and younger to boot.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

From Marc Stein

 

One of the more interesting scenarios I heard Tuesday came from my ESPN colleague Ric Bucher, who reported on NBA Coast to Coast and SportsCenter that the Lakers recently had a deal in place to acquire Mike Bibby from Sacramento before Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof vetoed it, unable to stomach the thought of helping their playoff rivals of yesteryear.

 

That's awesome. Good for the Maloofs.

[Guest]

Yeah, I'd give up Bynum for him.

 

Gasol that is.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Yeah, I'd give up Bynum for him.

 

Gasol that is.

 

Even though he's not the talent that Kidd is, that would be an easier deal for Lakers fans to stomach. Gasol is a young, All-Star caliber big man. It would definitely soften the blow if Bynum ever became something special.

[Guest]

Gasol's best for the offense that the team runs. If Bynum went to Memphis, I doubt he'd ever turn into a great player anyway, and besides, I don't think Kareem's going to follow him wherever he goes.