The border war...

[Guest "Go, Mordecai!"]

Certainly not your ass from a hole in the ground, if your carpet-bombing of shitty posts is any indication.

[Guest RayCo]

Hyave yall sent theyem wed backs on therll way?

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Yes. All wed backs are on therll way.

[Guest "Go, Mordecai!"]

Are you sure you hyave theyem?

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wed backs on therll way too teh wal store

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All your base are belong to us.

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OMG BNPLZ.

[Guest RayCo]

If one of those poor little fellas ever, and I mean, EVER, tells me to make a left again at a petrol station next time i'm over there...so help me God.

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Was that the punchline to the Chocolate Socket joke?

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I'm thinking it was along the lines of: If you don't post in the Socket you're an idiot.

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So, I'm guessing RayCo is the yin to theneocon's gimmick yang?

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What the hell have I just read on this page?

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Rocker's Inaugural Act Creates Stir

 

AUSTIN, TEXAS — Hours after Gov. Rick Perry kicked off his second full term in office, Ted Nugent helped him celebrate at a black-tie gala, but not all attendees were pleased by the rocker's performance.

 

Using machine guns as props, Nugent, 58, appeared onstage as the final act of the inaugural ball wearing a cutoff T-shirt emblazoned with the Confederate flag and shouting offensive remarks about non-English speakers, according to people who were in attendance.

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Ted Nugent was so surreal it was painful. the fact that he started out playing an American flag painted guitar, and wearing a confederate flag shirt seemed like a contradiction to me. Ted dropped several F-bombs, mentioned that "Even though I'm in Austin, I'm still around real Texans". He went on to support the electoral decision banning "Faggets getting Hitched", and made some rather offhanded comments about Mexicans getting back on their side of the border. The absolute highlight of his set though had to be "Frank the Bear" with a hunting video companion blasted up on two large screens. Oh, and Ted reminded us that being against the war is a pussy's outlook, and that the country is getting better with guys like his good friend DIck Perry. Fun times were a plenty, and I sure can't wait for the next time, so I can fight back vomit and tears.

 

http://pinkdome.com/archives/2007/01/stran...t.html#comments

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It's Ted Nugent. What did they expect?

 

I think the song they meant is "Fred Bear".

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From Nugent's wiki entry...

 

Nugent was draft age during the Vietnam war. In the December 15, 1990 issue of the Detroit Free Press Magazine, Nugent was quoted as saying that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi; and a week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own excrement, stained by his urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment, he says. "... but if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd killed all the hippies in the foxholes...I would have killed everybody." In a 2006 interview published in The Independent, Nugent denies ever saying (or doing) that. According to Nugent's current website, he enrolled at Oakland Community College and took a student deferment ([3]).

 

Either way, he dodged the draft. In Dick Cheney's America that makes him a real patriot. It's those hippie soldiers that are the pussies.

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I think the song they meant is "Fred Bear".

 

Yup. Yet another example of those elitist ivory tower east coast eggheads not knowing one single thing about real American culture. Makes me sick.

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Wait, wait, wait.

Who the hell books Ted Nugent for a black tie gala in Austin, Texas?

What makes someone think that Ted Nugent, The Nug, is the right man for a inaugural ball?

 

Ted Nugent is good for an NRA rally, or a Militia fundraiser, or even a "The South will rise again" benefit show. But an inaugural ball? Somebody better have gotten fired over this.

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Yeah, it's not like he hides his politics or anything.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=tLPuGuaZTx8

 

Bill Oreilly vs. Geraldo...fucking funny.

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"Hes right though."

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=tLPuGuaZTx8

 

Bill Oreilly vs. Geraldo...fucking funny.

 

They should have a battle to the death and the winner kills himself.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=tLPuGuaZTx8

 

Bill Oreilly vs. Geraldo...fucking funny.

 

They should have a battle to the death and the winner kills himself.

Either way, we win.

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U.S. immigration bill attacked from left and right

18 May 2007 20:21:39 GMT

Source: Reuters

 

By Donna Smith

 

WASHINGTON, May 18 (Reuters) - The fate of the immigration deal between President George W. Bush and a group of U.S. senators appeared uncertain on Friday as it drew heavy criticism from both the right and the left.

 

With the Senate to debate the highly divisive issue next week, the immediate reaction to the plan to grant legal status to some 12 million illegal immigrants suggested it could face an uphill battle even there, where passage was considered more likely than in the House of Representatives.

 

The House last year declined to even take up comprehensive legislation.

 

Conservative Republicans were quick to criticize the plan's main provision for illegal immigrants who arrived in the country before January 2007, even though Bush hopes the plan's passage would provide an elusive legislative victory. They view granting the right to stay as rewarding those who broke U.S. law.

 

"I don't care how you try to spin it, this is amnesty," said Sen. Jim DeMint, a South Carolina Republican.

 

Complaints came from Democrats as well.

 

"This amnesty plan is no fairy tale -- it is a bad dream," Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia said.

 

Democrats' major concerns include that the temporary worker program does not provide a path to permanent residence and new limits it would place on migration to reunite families.

 

Despite the apparent obstacles, lawmakers and administration officials who helped broker the deal are optimistic that deep partisan divisions that doomed legislation in the past can be overcome and Congress will send a bill to Bush for his signature by the end of the year.

 

'A VERY GOOD CHANCE'

 

"I think it has got a very good chance," Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, one of the administration negotiators, said in an interview. "The more time goes by, the more people realize that if we don't have this bill we have nothing and nothing means the status quo."

 

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said Bush would keep up efforts to push the immigration bill through Congress.

 

"It's no secret that the president's personally very committed to this issue," he said. "There's a long way to go and we hope we can get there."

 

The proposal ties border security and work place enforcement to plans to give the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants legal status, creation of a temporary worker program and a new merit-based system for future newcomers.

 

AFL-CIO President John Sweeney objected to proposed limits on family-based migration and said the temporary worker program that would force laborers to return to their home countries after working in the United States amounts to "virtual servitude, where workers' fates are tied to their employers and their workplace rights are impossible to exercise."

 

The Service Employees International Union and some Hispanic groups called the final deal "flawed," but said they would not abandon the process. They vowed to push for legislation more to their liking during the upcoming debate.

 

"The deal even with its problems represents enormous improvement over the status quo," said Frank Sharry, executive director of the National Immigration Forum.

 

House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, said the House would consider its own version of immigration legislation that gives greater weight to family ties.

 

Sen. Byron Dorgan, a North Dakota Democrat, said he would seek to eliminate the temporary worker provision that would make at least 400,000 work visas available per year.

 

"America's workers have enough downward pressure on their wages because of unfair trade deals and corporate outsourcing of millions of jobs every year," Dorgan said. "The last thing they need now is to have an inflow of millions of more immigrants competing for their jobs at substandard wages."

 

I don't know a lot about this bill, but I know I don't like the guest worker program idea.

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Immigration is one of those issues that will never be resolved because both parties in power are basically owned by Major Corporations. The emphasis with immigration will ALWAYS be about "border security" yet any fool knows that you can build a 100ft high wall, with electrified barbed-wire, but as long as companies here are willing to hire illegal immigrants to save a few bucks, they will FIND A WAY to cross the border to make more money then they do in Mexico, and every other country people are fleeing.

 

In my opinion, the emphasis needs to put on the companies hiring these people. These companies know what they are doing is against the law, and not only are they ignoring the law to save a few bucks, but in a lot of cases they are exploiting the workers by paying them extremely low wages which are often off the books, which means nothing goes to Social Security and other taxed programs. This hogwash that "they do the jobs american's won't do" is a goddamn crock. Sure, American's won't do it for $1.00 an hour and work 16 hour days, but for minimum wage and a 40 hour work week, as soon as my kid turns legal age to work, I would surely have no problem sending him to scrub dishes in a resteraunt to learn about making money and the responsibility that comes with it.

 

We should let the labor market dictate how many immigrants we can handle. Also, cheap labor often equals cheap fucking results, which in the end cost the consumer more anyways. Craftmanship in this country has gone away. No one prides themselves anymore on learning a craft over the years and mastering it, all anyone is interested in is finding the cheapest person with a hammer hanging from their belt that can do some work on the fly. There is a reason for licenses in this country and I wish you had to have them for things like building houses.

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I still haven't been able to wrap my head around how American jobs leaving the country is good but non-whites coming here is terrible.

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I still haven't been able to wrap my head around how American jobs leaving the country is good but non-whites coming here is terrible.

 

The question is: Good for who?

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I still haven't been able to wrap my head around how American jobs leaving the country is good but non-whites coming here is terrible.

 

Neither is good. Both could provide a solid income for the legal citizens of the US but instead we outsource jobs and allow people who have no intention of ever wanting to become citizens to get the ones we have.

 

I think we really need to improve the citizen program though cause we have people who have been waiting 5 years to become official citizens. That's not right, they did everything right and by the book (paperwork, tests that cost many work hours, learn the language) but they get punished for it. We need to heavily tax businesses that hire illegals who aren't working towards their citizenship (which we have tons of sadly) and see how the problem works out.

 

Will some businesses fail and shut down? Absolutely they will but they shouldn't be breaking the laws of the country.

I wish Mexico would get their issues in order and make their economy better with more jobs. Perhaps expansion of our and Japan's major businesses into Mexico could help both cases. It is outsourcing jobs yes but it could help Mexico grow as a country which could seriously cut down on the illegal immigration to the United States. This is the only version of outsourcing I won't have a problem with IF it provides a competitive living wage to the country and not the crap like in India.

 

I don't know, I'm out of ideas but the idea of just allowing those who have effectively been breaking the law for over a decade to just have their freedom while those who did it right still sit and wait doesn't seem right or fair.

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Even if they pass a bill that kicks out the people, there's no way they can catch them all. This bill I seriously doubt will pass. It's just a political move. But if it does pass, it will be interesting to see who will have a heart attack first, Lou Dobbs or Bill O. My money's on Dobbs.

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The difference is that the millions of jobs sent outside the country are $10+-an-hour factory jobs that American want/need. The jobs that Mexicans are often taking when they come here are lower-paying menial jobs & bottom-end factory jobs. By continuing to outsource we will continue to lose a large amount of actual jobs Americans were in fact using, by getting rid of the Mexicans we will only damage the economy because the price on so many goods we take for granted will skyrocket.

 

But at least America will be more white.