TUF VI: Welterweights

[Mik 0]

Where can I find the shirt Stitch was wearing? That was fucking awesome.

 

Pretty sure he wears Affliction clothing.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I was impressed by Huerta, but I still think Florian subs him.

[Youth N Asia 0]

They love the shit out of Kenny, but they gotta know that Roger would be a bigger draw for the fight

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

They love the shit out of Kenny, but they gotta know that Roger would be a bigger draw for the fight

 

Either way it's a win/win for the UFC. Florian is a known because he was in the finals for the The Ultimate Fighter 1, and Huerta is being marketed as the face of the LW divison.

 

I think Florian beats Huerta though. Florian has really good stand up(he has some of the best mid kicks in MMA), and his BJJ is great. I think if he got Huerta down, he would submit him. If he keeps the fight on his feet, he still gives Huerta problems with those mid kicks. But with Huerta he can explode at any miniute.

[Mik 0]

I mean, Huerta was kind of exposed last night, no?

 

He showed great heart and no quit, but for two rounds he was pretty much Clay Guida's bitch. I can't see him beating Kenny, B.J., Sherk, and probably a few other big names I'm forgetting. The problem with this? The UFC is trying to make him more then his talent merits.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I mean, Huerta was kind of exposed last night, no?

 

He showed great heart and no quit, but for two rounds he was pretty much Clay Guida's bitch. I can't see him beating Kenny, B.J., Sherk, and probably a few other big names I'm forgetting. The problem with this? The UFC is trying to make him more then his talent merits.

 

Huerta wasn't exposed at all. It was a typical Huerta performance. His wrestling is pure crap everyone knows that, it's not suprise Guida was able to control him on the ground. But he can KO you at any point in the fight. Especially at the very start of the round.

 

He's only 24 years old, even if he loses he's next fight, he still can be a champion.

 

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I think the Doug Evans fight both exposed Huerta and at the same time showed his strength in that you can dominate him on the ground but give him the smallest of openings and he's going to make you pay for it. I think Guida sucked some energy out him, Roger looked exhausted in the post-fight interview and as a dude cheering for Guida last night I was a bit saddened with the result, especially seeing Clay with the hangdog eyes. Fuck that shit, to me Guida is 3-1 in 2007 as opposed to what his actual record shows.

 

UFC LW Division in 2007: DA BEST EVAH.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Fuck that shit, to me Guida is 3-1 in 2007 as opposed to what his actual record shows.

 

Din Thomas winning the desicion was the right call. Very close fight, could've gone either way. But Din's boxing won him the fight.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Yuh, no. Guida clearly beat Din. Complete robbery. *Does Dins shuffle dance*

 

Saying Florian would beat him with BJJ on the ground is kinda ignoring Huerta scramblefucking Alberto Crane. The dude just doesn't stop moving enough to get position on. You have to have the tightest ground game on the planet to keep Huerta down, coupled with the stamina to keep going after failed attempts, which in only possessed by the uber elite (Sherk, Penn). I think Huerta would eat Kennys food because of the pace he'd push and his ability to wear his opponents down on either offense or defense. Kenny Florian couldn't handle the war Huerta would bring, and I don't think many could. And I actually like Kenny and think the fight would be good. It's the Noguiera-factor, and Huerta has it. You can't count him out, ever. His will to win is such that you can't give him any chances, or let up a single bit. Goddammit, I can't say enough about how impressed I was with his comeback.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Where can I find the shirt Stitch was wearing? That was fucking awesome.

 

Pretty sure he wears Affliction clothing.

 

 

I can't find it on there and the "One More Round" shirt was really kick ass.

 

I believe the clothing company is called "One More Round"

 

http://www.onemoreroundclothing.com/

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Yuh, no. Guida clearly beat Din. Complete robbery. *Does Dins shuffle dance*

 

I don't know if this is a joke, but if it isn't, shut the fuck up and stop dickriding.

 

Saying Florian would beat him with BJJ on the ground is kinda ignoring Huerta scramblefucking Alberto Crane.

 

Alberto Crane isn't Kenny Florian. Crane has crap wrestling like Huerta. Crane was a very good match up for Huerta, I knew he was going to blast him.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I was wondering how long it would take for the food-eating to catch on.

 

And while Crane does have shitty wrestling it's not like Kenny Florian is the fucking Rulon Gardner of the LW division either.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

And while Crane does have shitty wrestling it's not like Kenny Florian is the fucking Rulon Gardner of the LW division either.

 

His wrestling is a lot better then Crane and Huerta's. And he's submitted alot better fighters then Crane ever has. Not to mention Ken-Flo's standup will throw Huerta off. Huerta has a good gas tank, but if he eats a lot of those hard mid kicks from Florian it will wind him.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I like how Kenny has become Sherk, Buakaw, and Rickson all of a sudden. Kennys wrestling isn't good enough to do what he wants to do with Huerta. His BJJ isn't good enough, and more over, Huertas BJJ isn't bad enough, to have as easy a time as he did with Stout and Kit Cope. Huerta won't stall out like Mishima, period, and barring a freak injury like the one Din had that lead to his loss, I don't really see much in Kennys past fights that will lead him to anything but a close, but ultimately lost, fight. That fight will come down to the x-factors, heart, will, determination. Kenny's leg kicks are going to be nullified by Huerta being in his face all night, which Kenny won't like. Kenny is a stick and move kinda fighter and Roger fights wars. once Kenny gets some fists flying in his face, my bet is he shuts down. If I would see any chance for victory for kenflo it comes from a RNC, but Huerta has given his back up so many times and gotten through it that it's hard to see him getting caught before rolling away.

 

Though you're theory on midkicks is adorable.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

But when Crane did get Huerta down and in bad positions, he couldn't finish him, so even though Kenny's wrestling is better and he can take him down, that's not the issue. Crane is more established in SW circles, though obviously MMA grappling is different, still being on the bottom of someone like Crane and surviving like he did is impressive. Of course, Kenny's striking is much better than Crane's. I'd tab Kenny as the slight favourite, as he is not easily rattled, especially at 155. This is a guy that took Leben's best shots and kept coming forward, and he sucked back then.

 

Huerta's wrestling is bad, and a guy like Sherk will lay on him for three or five rounds. But considering how Sherk nearly got KO'ed at points by Franca with his wild outbursts, Huerta can do the same. At least now that Huerta saw what happened with a wrestling cardio machine like Guida, he will know to work on it.

 

I thought I might just have been overly excited when I thought that this was FOTY. Glad to see many others agree that it could be as well.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

http://www.macdanzigphotography.com/

 

Mac Danzig Photography?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I think my FOTY might end up being Huerta/Crane.

 

Some slight adjustments could mean a lot for Huerta; his stance especially. Very much a wide base with his right leg forward, which lends itself to easy takedowns and susceptibility to inside lowkicks from conventional stance fighters.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I like how Kenny has become Sherk, Buakaw, and Rickson all of a sudden.

 

Leave it up to you to overreact my original point.

 

Kennys wrestling isn't good enough to do what he wants to do with Huerta.

 

Huerta's wrestling is absolute shit. Any fighter with decent wrestling can take him down. Not that they will be effective with it, but a great grappler like Florian can.

 

His BJJ isn't good enough, and more over, Huertas BJJ isn't bad enough, to have as easy a time as he did with Stout and Kit Cope.

 

Stout's grappling is very underrated. Did you see him get past Holanda's submission attempts? He has very good submission defense. Did you see the Alvin Robinson fight? Plus Florian has those razor-like elbows that could cut up Huerta.

 

I'm not trying to see Florian would blaze right through Huerta, I too think it would be a very close desicion. But Florian would win.

[JHawk 0]

Just finished the tape of this. Holy shit, was J-Roc and War Machine an awesome fight. A shame someone had to lose.

 

Congrats to Huerta, who by all rights was done after two rounds yet found a way to win. Consider the critics, myself included, completely silenced.

[Mik 0]

“I was hurt. He rocked me, man. I was slightly knocked out but I knew what was going on. I just heard this ringing, and it was the weirdest thing, all I saw was all this hair, I didn’t know if it was a human being or a lion attacking me, then after about 10 seconds I was like ‘Hey Clay’ and it was back on.”

 

– Roger Huerta on the punch from Clay Guida that nearly ended the lightweight scrap in round two during the main event at The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 6 Finale. Huerta managed to hold on and came out in the final stanza to submit “The Carpenter” via rear naked choke. Dave Doyle at Yahoo!Sports.com reveals that Guida “took both of the first two rounds on all scorecards. One judge had the score at 20-17.”

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I may have seen the Holanda fight... from the 11th row....

 

 

C'mon now, though, Stouts shit would have been pushed in had Holanda not been, you know, Holanda, and completely gas the fuck out after a brisk walk. To me, submitting Stout is not impressive. I don't completely dismiss the possibility of Florian RNC'ing Huerta into unconsciousness, as I think it's the most likely way for him to win, but I don't think Huerta will lay down like Stout did and let Kenny have his way.

 

Kenny could take Huerta down, but keeping him down and maintaining control in scrambles is the hard part, as is keeping the pace in those takedowns. We're talking Sean Sherk level grapplefucking to keep Huerta down and controlled. I don't really have that much faith in Kennys abilities, but he can always prove me wrong. I just don't see Kenny moving around like Clay did.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

This was a great show, with J-Roc/War Machine having, appropriately, a war, and Huerta/Guida having a legit FOTY. The TUF 6 final was totally one-sided, which was a bit of a disappointment, if only because I don't like Danzig. A great live special for UFC to end the year on Spike with.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I hope they don't give Mac some tomato can his 1st fight at 155.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Holanda has a reputation for quitting if he can't submit the guy easily/right away. Once he realized he was in for a fight with Stout and wouldn't submit him easily, he pretty much gave up the fight. This isn't me bashing him, this is shit I hear from people that are in his corner. I mean, how many people just quit in between rounds without a real injury? If that was on a bigger stage he would be lambasted for such actions.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Yeah, he was winning the fight on a whole, but when he started to lose he gave up... they really need him on TUF, so we can have another "put me back in" tear-drop moment.

 

What's the 155 equivalent of Elvis Sinosic? Mishima? Is it Mishima?

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

We need someone who is skilled but physically frail. Mishima is too athletic.

[starvenger 0]

What's the 155 equivalent of Elvis Sinosic? Mishima? Is it Mishima?

It's probably Mishima or Pelligrino. But I say he's fed a TUF alum like Cole Miller to start.

[Lei Tong 0]

No knock on Huerta, but Florian via well rounded top game.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

No knock on Huerta, but Florian via well rounded top game.

 

Yeah I see it that way to... Although Guida has better wrestling then him, Ken-Flo has those razor-like elbows which will cut up Huerta and will always look for submissions, and I see him having a better chance finishing them off then any of Huerta's opponets since arriving to the UFC.

[The Niggardly King 0]

What Hughes and Dana were really watching during The Finale