WWE General Discussion for June 2007

[mysterious_w 0]

And yes, the creative writing team sucks. Always have, ever since they started hiring Hollywood writers. Remember when one of the chicks in the first DivaSearch read a poem to Katie Vick? She got lectured at by one of the writers.... because he had no idea who Katie Vick was. Keep in mind this was like just a year after the most infamous angle of all time. And don't forget that Brian Gerwitz hated on one of Flair's promos because Ric mentioned Bruiser Brody and Stan Hansen, and HEAD WRITER Gerwitz had never heard of either of them.

 

He must think JBL is the worst commentator ever then.

[Mecca 0]

Considering how popular jackass was on MTV and how much money those movies made.....SOMEONE gives a shit about them.

 

1 of their movies made more money than all the WWE movies combined.

 

I however do enjoy how Jingus and Pefection have arrived to tell us how horrid the WWE is though, we were apparently lacking those posters.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Considering how popular jackass was on MTV and how much money those movies made.....SOMEONE gives a shit about them.

Yes. Three or four years ago when they meant something, people gave a shit about them. Now, they're just circus freaks doing stupid stunts that nobody outside of their core fans give a crap about. There's no buzz around them now.

[bob_barron 0]

Considering how popular jackass was on MTV and how much money those movies made.....SOMEONE gives a shit about them.

Yes. Three or four years ago when they meant something, people gave a shit about them. Now, they're just circus freaks doing stupid stunts that nobody outside of their core fans give a crap about. There's no buzz around them now.

 

Except for the fact that their movie was a big hit.

 

I want Dave to be at Summerslam- he would take an absolute shitkicking.

[Mecca 0]

I don't even know if I buy that because I thought that when they put the 2nd movie out, that no one gave a shit anymore and........it made alot of money and was #1. It appears if they put the show back on or made more movies they'd still do well.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

A really shitty movie with a devoted core of fans can still make money. Doesn't mean the movie is any good. It just means that their core fans will see the movie, repeatedly. Assuming the Jackass angle even makes it to Summerslam, which would be an achievement in itself, I will be stunned if it ends up meaning anything or if anyone cares about them when the matches take place.

[bob_barron 0]

A really shitty movie with a devoted core of fans can still make money. Doesn't mean the movie is any good. It just means that their core fans will see the movie, repeatedly. Assuming the Jackass angle even makes it to Summerslam, which would be an achievement in itself, I will be stunned if it ends up meaning anything or if anyone cares about them when the matches take place.

 

Jackass The Sequel was both a critical and commercial hit, grossing 72 million, with an opening of almost 30 million, and scoring generally favourable reviews according to metacritic.

[Mecca 0]

Steve-O is probably more entertaining than most of the roster is, so at this point I'm not concerned about it.

 

Maybe the WWE thinks those devoted fans will check out the PPV to see them? Something atleast mildly entertaining should come from it. Hell the Steve-O/Pontius, Umaga stuff from Raw was greatness to watch, and amused me more than anything on that show.

[Mecca 0]

A really shitty movie with a devoted core of fans can still make money. Doesn't mean the movie is any good. It just means that their core fans will see the movie, repeatedly. Assuming the Jackass angle even makes it to Summerslam, which would be an achievement in itself, I will be stunned if it ends up meaning anything or if anyone cares about them when the matches take place.

 

Jackass The Sequel was both a critical and commercial hit, grossing 72 million, with an opening of almost 30 million, and scoring generally favourable reviews according to metacritic.

 

It's come to the point that there are people who don't like Jackass, hate guys like Knoxville, Bam and Steve-O and question why people like them the show why it makes money or why it's popular. So obviously I expect anyone like that to be totally pissed they're going to be on wrestling, while these guys are much more well know than any wrestler is at the moment......

 

I bet more people know who Steve-O is than John Cena.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I don't actually hate Jackass or anyone associated with it. I question why anyone would like it, but I don't hate it.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

And yes, in theory bringing in the 'celebrities' of Jackass will gain attention, but WWE have just done the celebrity deal with Donald Trump. It's a little soon to be going back to that well for it to mean the most that it could.

[Mecca 0]

I think the Jackass guys will surely be more entertaining than Trump was........

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I think the Jackass guys will surely be more entertaining than Trump was........

That much is true, but my point is that you can only do the celebrity deal sparingly for it to mean as much as you think it can. I think it's a little too soon to try and go back down the celebrity route.

[Mecca 0]

According to the Wrestling Observer issue dated June 11th, it is slated to be 'one to three matches on the card', featuring Jackass stars as babyfaces, against WWE heels. At this point, Steve O, Chris Pontius, Wee-Man, Bam Magera, Ryan Dunn, and Preston Lacey are all signed up for it. Johnny Knoxville has indicated he is up for it, but has not signed for it as of yet.

 

Shane McMahon is the one spearheading the angle. HHH and Stephanie were vehemently against their involvement. Shane talked Vince into doing it, as well as Bonnie Hammer from the USA Network, who wanted more celebrity involvement on Raw, due to the recent flat ratings after WM23.

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I wonder what that says for all the people that like Shane and hate Stephanie....I also found this post and will just use it because I think it sums up well what alot of the issues with this are.....

 

The reason I see this thing falling apart is that the guys in jack-ass are all about showing no respect for anyone including themselves. Pro-wrestlers are insecure guys with an embarassing job. They are all about needing to be treated with respect. Steve O asks for no"respect", fuck he demands it.

Steve-O already pissed people off the first day he shows up. No way your backstage leaders will be able to deal with lack of proper respect for more than two weeks.

 

HHH and Stephanie were vehemently against their involvement.

 

 

They are offended-- the fans of the promotion that they created are offended. That should come as no surprise.

[Scroby 0]

I say the Jackass guys should get another shot at it because they realize Steve-O fucked up last time and they all most likely don't want that to happen again, but stick them all with guys who can literally shoot on them if one of the Jackass guys get out of line and when I say shoot, I don't mean stiff them...I mean pull a arm out of a socket.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If they're bringing in Jackass, presumably they want them to be like they are on Jackass. What could they possibly be allowed to do in WWE that could come anywhere close what they do their show? You've got to think that anyone who tunes in to see Summerslam because of the Jackass guys is going to expect something of incredible insanity out of them, and I don't think Vince is going to let that happen, no matter what Ms Hammer says. Whatever happens, this whole deal is sure to make for some interesting politics over the next two and half months.

[Atticus Chaos 0]

Didn't Steve O's behaviour on the first day almost get the whole thing called off? I'm not sure if he learned anything from the Umaga debacle.

[Toxxic 0]

What's so wrong with the Jackass guys laughing anyway? They could take a nutshot and laugh and it'd be believable (I haven't watched it in years, but that's my memory). As long as they were sort of selling WITH the laughing it'd work; they are people who do genuinely stupid and painful stuff, get hurt, but laugh about it. Hell, a mate of mine was getting the shit kicked out of him a couple of months back and he was laughing - that was because he was drunk, but it was severe enough that when he went to see a doctor they asked if he'd been hit in the back repeatedly with a baseball bat, and it was just feet kicking him. The TV show shows them to be insane masochistic types who seek out pain that most human beings go out of their way to avoid, it's not unreasonable to show them as, say, freaks of nature who just didn't happen to get into wrestling.

 

That said I think it's an awful idea, but if you are going to do it and they are going to laugh, maybe you can save it by mentioning the above.

[Mecca 0]

I've talked to about 15 people that had no interest in ordering any WWE PPV's anymore and since I told them about this they all reacted with "oh shit really? I think I may buy that one"

[Golgo 13 0]

Didn't they do a Jackass angle with Sabin, Lethal and Dutt, and it bombed? Then again the stuff they were put through was horrible and it's a different crowd there, and these are the real guys coming in, not a group of talents who could do better... but it's still possible the crowd rebels against it.

 

I mean, the Jackass guys aren't really cool to anyone, right? The obvious pretense is that they're just a bunch of assholes who people like to see do stupid stuff and get hurt from it. If they're treated as straight faces, I can see the crowds turning.

[Mecca 0]

Didn't they do a Jackass angle with Sabin, Lethal and Dutt, and it bombed? Then again the stuff they were put through was horrible and it's a different crowd there, and these are the real guys coming in, not a group of talents who could do better... but it's still possible the crowd rebels against it.

 

I mean, the Jackass guys aren't really cool to anyone, right? The obvious pretense is that they're just a bunch of assholes who people like to see do stupid stuff and get hurt from it.

 

What's your definition of cool? I know plenty of people who like them quite a bit and wish the TV show was still on and all that.

[Toxxic 0]

That was a very very bad Jackass angle featuring three wrestlers playing bad practical jokes and coming down to the ring in shopping trolleys. With no relevance to anything or anyone, and looking kind of heelish even though they were meant to be face. It was awful, yes, but the actual Jackass guys weren't around.

[Atticus Chaos 0]

No wonder HHH is against it, his big comeback is about to play second fiddle to a bunch of guys whose only claim to fame is stapling things to themselves.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

What's so wrong with the Jackass guys laughing anyway? They could take a nutshot and laugh and it'd be believable (I haven't watched it in years, but that's my memory). As long as they were sort of selling WITH the laughing it'd work; they are people who do genuinely stupid and painful stuff, get hurt, but laugh about it. Hell, a mate of mine was getting the shit kicked out of him a couple of months back and he was laughing - that was because he was drunk, but it was severe enough that when he went to see a doctor they asked if he'd been hit in the back repeatedly with a baseball bat, and it was just feet kicking him. The TV show shows them to be insane masochistic types who seek out pain that most human beings go out of their way to avoid, it's not unreasonable to show them as, say, freaks of nature who just didn't happen to get into wrestling.

 

That said I think it's an awful idea, but if you are going to do it and they are going to laugh, maybe you can save it by mentioning the above.

It's one thing for the Jackass guys to laugh on their own show, but within the context of a wrestling show, for these guys to laugh as they're getting beaten up makes the wrestlers look bad, because they're actually selling the beating. What does it say when the Jackass guys laugh off getting the crap beaten out of them, while someone like Batista or John Cena has to actually sell the beating they're taking? Why do something that breaks the illusion in the middle of the show? Sure, people laughing through a beating might happen in real life, but this isn't real.

 

I've talked to about 15 people that had no interest in ordering any WWE PPV's anymore and since I told them about this they all reacted with "oh shit really? I think I may buy that one"

 

Have you told them not to order the PPV if they're expecting to see some Jackass-level insanity? That's the one big problem of this whole deal. Anyone buying this expecting to see the Jackass crew do Jackass-level stunts is going to be disappointed.

[Golgo 13 0]

Didn't they do a Jackass angle with Sabin, Lethal and Dutt, and it bombed? Then again the stuff they were put through was horrible and it's a different crowd there, and these are the real guys coming in, not a group of talents who could do better... but it's still possible the crowd rebels against it.

 

I mean, the Jackass guys aren't really cool to anyone, right? The obvious pretense is that they're just a bunch of assholes who people like to see do stupid stuff and get hurt from it.

 

What's your definition of cool? I know plenty of people who like them quite a bit and wish the TV show was still on and all that.

 

I would also like to see it back, don't get me wrong. I mean cool from the standpoint of identifying with them and all that. Like I said, they're a group of moderately obnoxious, assholish guys who people enjoy watching because they hurt themselves, let's not fool ourselves here. I don't think it's because they're a somehow likable group. There are exceptions, but for every likable one, like say, Brandon, you have someone potentially annoying like Wee-Man or Steve-O. I doubt anyone who doesn't have a red plastic cup in their hand every other night and is in their right mind would enjoy hanging around them as a group and being their buddy unless it was because of envy or scavenging purposes. But that's just me.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Steve-O versus Shane McMahon.

[Scroby 0]

What's so wrong with the Jackass guys laughing anyway? They could take a nutshot and laugh and it'd be believable (I haven't watched it in years, but that's my memory). As long as they were sort of selling WITH the laughing it'd work; they are people who do genuinely stupid and painful stuff, get hurt, but laugh about it. Hell, a mate of mine was getting the shit kicked out of him a couple of months back and he was laughing - that was because he was drunk, but it was severe enough that when he went to see a doctor they asked if he'd been hit in the back repeatedly with a baseball bat, and it was just feet kicking him. The TV show shows them to be insane masochistic types who seek out pain that most human beings go out of their way to avoid, it's not unreasonable to show them as, say, freaks of nature who just didn't happen to get into wrestling.

 

That said I think it's an awful idea, but if you are going to do it and they are going to laugh, maybe you can save it by mentioning the above.

The point of the whole angle was for Umaga to "Kill" the both of them and Steve-O didn't sell it like he was getting "Killed", instead he just laughed as Umaga stiffed the fuck out of him to try and get him to stop. Now what Steve-O did with Umaga was very disrespectful.

[hyperchord24 0]

The only bad thing I see happening with this angle is that they may be worked more stiffy due to what happened last time if they start to laugh again. This may result in some real injuries, which may result in some lawsuits. But then again, I'd imagine they sign waivers and the like. Either way I'll be interested to see them get roughed up.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

The Jackass guys show up on Monday night for no reason at the draft and they get Drafted to RAW a la the nWo from the first draft (all of em in one pick).

[Jingus 0]

I however do enjoy how Jingus and Pefection have arrived to tell us how horrid the WWE is though, we were apparently lacking those posters.

Check my account's born-on date, I've been spreading the WWE Sux gospel for the better part of a decade here now.

 

 

It's one thing for the Jackass guys to laugh on their own show, but within the context of a wrestling show, for these guys to laugh as they're getting beaten up makes the wrestlers look bad, because they're actually selling the beating. What does it say when the Jackass guys laugh off getting the crap beaten out of them, while someone like Batista or John Cena has to actually sell the beating they're taking? Why do something that breaks the illusion in the middle of the show? Sure, people laughing through a beating might happen in real life, but this isn't real.

But why should the Jackass guys change anything about themselves, when the whole point of the angle is that the WWE's ratings are "meh" now and they're trying to do something different in order to hotshot the territory?

 

Also, considering that Steve-O constantly gets set on fire, falls off buildings, endures puncture wounds to the groin, etc etc etc, do you really expect him to "sell" a Samoan Spike? This goof doesn't know shit about wrestling, and he stays too drunk/high to remember any of the directions the office gives him. Once again: if a non-wrestler fucks up a spot on a wrestling show, it's the boss's fault, not the non-wrestler's. They didn't know any better.

 

 

 

And finally, I don't know if it will draw that much money, just because non-wrestling celebrities seem to have a hard time taking their fans along to watch them on wrestling shows. KISS sells out arenas around the country every night (and parties every day), but all those fans sure as hell didn't watch Nitro to see them. Sports fans didn't flock to TNA when they had Tito Ortiz, Hermie Sadler, Brian Urlacher, Johnny Damon, the entire Tennessee Titan lineup, or whoever the current flavor of last month is. The WWE tripped and fell into the best timing on earth when they signed Kevin Federline the very week that he and Britney got divorced, but the ratings still didn't jump through the ceiling. And don't forget catastrophes like Dennis Rodman. The only REALLY successful celebrity cameos in wrestling were Cyndi Lauper, Mr. T, and Mike Tyson, and that's about it.