Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 I know that Crisp's been playing fabulous OF defense, but I'm back on the Wily Mo for CF bandwagon. The Sox have to start getting offense from somewhere and Crisp struggles to even get the ball out of infield. If they don't like that idea, trade Pena, Crisp or both for someone else who can hit. The black hole of offensive suck that is Lugo, Drew and Crisp has to be shaken up somehow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 What is with the Drew hate all of a sudden? I thought he was the second coming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 I don't think that there's much Drew hate, but the fact is he's not hitting right now. Doesn't matter if you're making 500K or $14 million, you have to put up something better than an OPS+ of 85 if you're going to play corner outfield and bat fifth. He's still walking, which is nice, but the power and the defense didn't come with him from LA. The real problem right now is Crisp and Lugo. Both are playing significantly below replacement level. They are total rally killers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 I haven't came in here since I was (because it was obviously directed at me) smacked down about my Phillies comment (and I was wrong, I'll admit), but now you guys see why I wasn't so sad to learn that Drew had opted out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 After perusing ESPN's new player ratings for about three minutes, I am happy to declare them entirely useless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 Here's a name for Yankee fans to remember: Edwar Ramirez. Originally an Angels' product, I believe he encountered injury problems. Plucked from the indies last year, Ramirez struck out 47 batters in 30 innings. This year, he's struck out 62 batters in 34.1 IP, with 14 BBs and just one home run allowed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 In Drew's defense he was robbed of a 2-run single. Tulowitzki was cheating over to the second base side and it still took a hell of a catch as well. Drew's too talented for this to keep up. I've already said what I'd like to see happen...hell if they want Ellsbury to have more time in the minors then bring up Brandon Moss already. With the exception of striking out about once a game he's doing pretty damn good down in Pawtucket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 I haven't came in here since I was (because it was obviously directed at me) smacked down about my Phillies comment (and I was wrong, I'll admit), but now you guys see why I wasn't so sad to learn that Drew had opted out. The weird thing about JD Drew is that the criticism was that he didn't play hard or hustle and he was always injured. Everyone knew he had tons of talent; he wasn't realizing it. With the Red Sox he's hustling and staying healthy, but he can't seem to hit or field. We are talking about a career .900 OPS guy who's slugging .342 right now. I don't know what's up with him. I would like to say small sample size, but everyday that is becoming less and less viable. I'm almost inclined to say he's hiding a serious injury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest frostdude1 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 What is with the Drew hate all of a sudden? I thought he was the second coming. Just like Beckett was the new Sandy Koufax lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 What is with the Drew hate all of a sudden? I thought he was the second coming. Just like Beckett was the new Sandy Koufax lol Who made that comparison? LOL?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 After perusing ESPN's new player ratings for about three minutes, I am happy to declare them entirely useless. This could go in your favorite thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 After perusing ESPN's new player ratings for about three minutes, I am happy to declare them entirely useless. This could go in your favorite thread Yeah, but then I wouldn't read it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 It's not all that bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest George's Box Report post Posted June 15, 2007 Two dopes in the bleachers have been ejected for interference. New rule, Cubs fans: NEVER TOUCH A BASEBALL, EVER. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vivalaultra 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 What's up with Cubs' fans today? Reaching out and grabbing balls all over the place. Cliff Floyd looked like he was about to whoop some ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 The funny thing is he got into it with the guy who was sitting NEXT to the schmuck who reached over the basket. How bout that Mike Fotenot? I remember a lot of people saying he should've gotten the call-up that went to Theriot last season. We're seeing why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 The amount of effort fans will exert to grab a $5 baseball will never cease to amaze me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest George's Box Report post Posted June 15, 2007 The amount of effort fans will exert to grab a $5 baseball will never cease to amaze me. They've had too many $6 beers. I'll admit I was sorta wrong about Fontenot. I had reservations about him because he was getting up there in age without having logged significant major league time, but he's jelling well with Theriot, and, well, he should. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 After perusing ESPN's new player ratings for about three minutes, I am happy to declare them entirely useless. I made the same remark somewhere on this board a couple of days ago. It's beyond me why the chose to mostly ignore sabermetrics for the past 5-10 years because of the "complexity" of the numbers and how it distances the game from the fans before they adopt one of the most convoluted, worthless metrics I've ever seen. Just cut a deal with BP or Bill James and use Win Shares or VORP or some other metric that is easy and makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MFer 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 I'm starting to get a little worried about the Yankees (especially considering my team is the Tigers and my second team is Boston). I'm a young guy so practically all I know is the Yankees winning the A.L. East and it never fails to piss me off. The last couple years, the Yankees have seemingly been out of it early only to come back and make the playoffs. Even if they don't win the division this year, they'll still be in the Wild Card race. At first I thought Detroit wouldn't have a problem winning the Central once it got later into the season, but their bullpen is a mess right now and it's cost them several games. Rodney is pitching like dogshit, Zumaya is out until God knows when, and Grilli is an absolute joke. Not to mention Todd Jones, who was appropriately dubbed by Ernie Harwell "the human roller-coaster." Cleveland could easily take the Central. For once I just wanna see the Yankees miss the playoffs for once but they're on their patented run right now. I'll believe it when I see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 After perusing ESPN's new player ratings for about three minutes, I am happy to declare them entirely useless. I made the same remark somewhere on this board a couple of days ago. It's beyond me why the chose to mostly ignore sabermetrics for the past 5-10 years because of the "complexity" of the numbers and how it distances the game from the fans before they adopt one of the most convoluted, worthless metrics I've ever seen. Just cut a deal with BP or Bill James and use Win Shares or VORP or some other metric that is easy and makes sense. ESPN.com has a ton of metrics including DIPS, Game Scores, etc. They just choose to keep them off their television network. What amazes me is how random their metrics are. Ok, hits are 5%, runs are 5%, batting average is 10%, etc. Ok, why? Linear weights are based and refined on years of play-by-play data. And unlike win shares, they really don't require a multitude of effort to compile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 At the start of 2006, I was challenged to come up with a formula that ranks all major league players. After bouncing ideas off the Elias Sports Bureau, MIT and others over the last year, I eventually wrote the formulas that produced the ESPN Player Ratings. That introduction cracked me up. Who was he talking to at MIT that gave him the go-ahead? I did my undergrad work in Economics and it took me about 30 seconds of perusing his methodology to realize the whole thing was a sham. The first test in developing any metric should be concluding if it measures anything of significance. The Player Ranker just assigns an aribitrary number to some notion of success in a bunch of randomly selected facets of the game. It's really laughable if you have any background in this kind of stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2007 Bless you Shitty Barry Zito. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2007 Bless you Shitty Barry Zito. Doctor: Here JD, take a couple of Zito meatballs and call me in the morning. It's good for what ails you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boon 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2007 Pedroia will take some of that, too. They go a combined 8 for 9, 8 RBIs, hitting #1 and #2. The Sox broadcasters mentioned this, but Tavarez has been matched up a lot against opposing aces and has done quite well. Seven innings and two runs- can't beat it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2007 It's called a walk Joe. Before you got hurt, it was something you did quite often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2007 Oliver Perez is the Yankees' daddy this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2007 Bad humor from the folks at Baseball Think Factory. http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/...for_all_to_see/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2007 After giving up 17 runs to the Royals on Thursday, Cardinals have given up 14 runs to the A's thru seven tonight. Scott Spiezio is now in the game at pitcher. And he pitches a scoreless inning although if he threw a little harder Jack Cust probably would hit one out. He looked better than Kelvin Jimenez. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted June 16, 2007 And Spezio was the only Cards pitcher not to give up a run. Go figure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
