Chris Benoit Dead - Toxicology results released

[RedJed 0]

Brynn was drunk when it happened. When she realized what she did, she immediately sobered up and contacted a family friend. He came over, saw Phil's body, and called police. While police were attempting to remove the couple's two children from the house, Brynn shot herself in the head.

 

A neighbor had stated they had marital problems, but didn't think it would go to that point.

 

The authorities pinpointed the anti-depressant Zoloft, which Brynn had been taking, as what caused her actions. A lawsuit was filed against the manufacturer Pfizer, Inc. as well as Arthur Sorosky, Brynn's psychiatrist who had prescribed her the drug.

 

Ironically, according to the Observer this week, Benoit was prescribed Zoloft by Astin on that Friday of the weekend in question. My god, there is just yet another factor into things.

[CanadianChris 0]

Ex-star out to break drugs' hold on WWE

Gary Davis, a spokesman for WWE, says Ashenoff is wrong, that wrestlers are not encouraged or forced to use steroids.

 

"Not in the WWE," he says.[/b]

It always kills me when someone from WWE says something like this, when anyone with any knowledge of the business knows that Vince won't push you if you don't look a certain way. Of course no one will go up to you and tell you you need to take steroids, but they will tell you you won't become a big star with the way you look, or bring up less-talented bodybuilding types ahead of you, and leave you to fill in the blanks.

[cameron chaos 0]

Brynn was drunk when it happened. When she realized what she did, she immediately sobered up and contacted a family friend. He came over, saw Phil's body, and called police. While police were attempting to remove the couple's two children from the house, Brynn shot herself in the head.

 

A neighbor had stated they had marital problems, but didn't think it would go to that point.

 

The authorities pinpointed the anti-depressant Zoloft, which Brynn had been taking, as what caused her actions. A lawsuit was filed against the manufacturer Pfizer, Inc. as well as Arthur Sorosky, Brynn's psychiatrist who had prescribed her the drug.

 

Ironically, according to the Observer this week, Benoit was prescribed Zoloft by Astin on that Friday of the weekend in question. My god, there is just yet another factor into things.

I read it was Xanax, but Zoloft, Xanax and Valium are all powerful anti-depressants.

[cameron chaos 0]

MJ= Mike Jones aka Virgil.

 

 

 

 

[CanadianChris 0]

I just got through watching Warrior's interview on Hannity and Colmes, and he made one point which absolutely needs to have more attention paid to it: Look at the bodybuilders of the 70s, like Schwarzenegger and Zane and Draper, that were on steroids. None of those guys died from steroids. They took care of their bodies in every other way, which wrestlers tend not to do.

 

It's the entire culture of wrestling -- which does include steroids, but also includes the painkillers, the booze, the cocaine, the heroin, the GHB -- that's the problem here, and to look at steroids in isolation is pointless.

[Failed Bridge 0]

I just sent Konnan a message asking him something and also telling him to get Scott Hall's ass online and hooked up to MySpace.

[Perfection 0]

I just got through watching Warrior's interview on Hannity and Colmes, and he made one point which absolutely needs to have more attention paid to it: Look at the bodybuilders of the 70s, like Schwarzenegger and Zane and Draper, that were on steroids. None of those guys died from steroids. They took care of their bodies in every other way, which wrestlers tend not to do.

 

It's the entire culture of wrestling -- which does include steroids, but also includes the painkillers, the booze, the cocaine, the heroin, the GHB -- that's the problem here, and to look at steroids in isolation is pointless.

 

I think what also needs to be taken into strong consideration is the countless shots to the head wrestlers take over many years of wrestling. Body builders and so forth don't get dropped on their head or hit with a chair all the time. That has to take a toll on individuals at some point, especially if a person isn't psychologically fit to begin with. I could see a scenerio where a person who isn't totally fit mind wise but not anywhere near violent or problematic, could eventually become so after so many hits to the head. I'm not a doctor but it would seem to me that even without concussions, after a certain number of non concussionary (not sure if thats even a word) blows, it would eventually end up doing some damage. Then combine that with all the drugs and you have someone that is really unstable, much more so than being on drugs alone.

[cameron chaos 0]

Can anyone think of something like this that has happened in Sports, Music, or Movies in the past? Where the entertainer committed murder, and possibly suicide as well? I've been trying to think of something (haven't done any searches yet though) and haven't been able to come up with anything..

 

No OJ's please..

Sid Vicious and Nancy Spungen.

[Nighthawk 0]

Sid did not kill Nancy.

[2GOLD 0]

Can anyone think of something like this that has happened in Sports, Music, or Movies in the past? Where the entertainer committed murder, and possibly suicide as well? I've been trying to think of something (haven't done any searches yet though) and haven't been able to come up with anything..

 

No OJ's please..

Sid Vicious and Nancy Spungen.

 

Academy award winning actor Gig Young murdered his wife Kim Schmidt and then killed himself soon after. But that was back in the 70s, not really recent. And the only reason I even remember him is I just recently saw "They Shoot Horses, don't they?"

 

ETA: I typed all of that out and forgot to put in his name. Damn.

[justsoyouknow 0]

Sid did not kill Nancy.

 

Word. Technically, he didn't set out to kill himself, either.

[pappajacks 0]

It would be insane to try to edit out every moment Benoit had on television.

 

how will they be able to edit one of Ric Flair's greatest promo ever (benoit is right behind him the entire time):

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Et7KRoFs-F8

 

 

 

to think these 2 women are dead already:

 

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6mJ2IfmzBGo

[Boxer 0]

Would it make more sense if they edit the whole Benoit involvement out or would you just rather the "blur" him out like the WWF logo?

[Downhome 0]

It would be insane to try to edit out every moment Benoit had on television.

 

how will they be able to edit one of Ric Flair's greatest promo ever (benoit is right behind him the entire time):

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Et7KRoFs-F8

 

Woohoo, I was there.

 

I guess we all better be damn glad that the Horsemen DVD was released before all of this.

 

Chris Benoit was a part of many of my favorite wrestling memories, but that's a given I guess since he was one of my all time favorites:

 

-WMXX

-Flair returns & Horsemen reform

-Owen Hart tribute match, Bret Hart vs. Benoit

-Benoit winning the Royal Rumble

-Bret Hart defeats Benoit to win his first WCW title

-Benoit winning the Super J Cup in '94

-The "best of" feud with Booker T

-The Radicalz debut in WWE

-Benoit vs. Kurt Angle at the Royal Rumble

-Benoit doing the diving headbutt off the top of the cage on an episode of WCW Thunder

 

I could go on and on.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Can anyone think of something like this that has happened in Sports, Music, or Movies in the past? Where the entertainer committed murder, and possibly suicide as well? I've been trying to think of something (haven't done any searches yet though) and haven't been able to come up with anything..

 

No OJ's please..

 

John Wilkes Booth was a stage actor of some esteem when he shot Lincoln.

[Boxer 0]

It would be insane to try to edit out every moment Benoit had on television.

 

how will they be able to edit one of Ric Flair's greatest promo ever (benoit is right behind him the entire time):

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Et7KRoFs-F8

 

Woohoo, I was there.

 

I guess we all better be damn glad that the Horsemen DVD was released before all of this.

 

Chris Benoit was a part of many of my favorite wrestling memories, but that's a given I guess since he was one of my all time favorites:

 

-WMXX

-Flair returns & Horsemen reform

-Owen Hart tribute match, Bret Hart vs. Benoit

-Benoit winning the Royal Rumble

-Bret Hart defeats Benoit to win his first WCW title

-Benoit winning the Super J Cup in '94

-The "best of" feud with Booker T

-The Radicalz debut in WWE

-Benoit vs. Kurt Angle at the Royal Rumble

 

I could go on and on.

 

I'll add some more.

 

Smackdown 6

Benoit vs. Angle from 2001, it was a good feud

TLC III

Benoit vs. Austin (10 Germans in that match)

 

[Mecca 0]

Ex-star out to break drugs' hold on WWE

Gary Davis, a spokesman for WWE, says Ashenoff is wrong, that wrestlers are not encouraged or forced to use steroids.

 

"Not in the WWE," he says.[/b]

It always kills me when someone from WWE says something like this, when anyone with any knowledge of the business knows that Vince won't push you if you don't look a certain way. Of course no one will go up to you and tell you you need to take steroids, but they will tell you you won't become a big star with the way you look, or bring up less-talented bodybuilding types ahead of you, and leave you to fill in the blanks.

 

I don't think they are "forced" but you know what will get you a push and what won't........I guess it's up to you to decide if you want to live longer or be a big mainevent star at one point or another.

[Downhome 0]

Here is an interesting video of an interview with two friends of the Benoit family.

[Celtic Jobber 0]

Here's Vince McMahon's lawyer Jerry McDevitt on MSNBC with Dan Abrams from last night. I thought he came off as being somewhat sleazy...

 

 

Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32EP-TPoagw

 

Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afLXFbMMsi8

[Guest Warriorfan]

Given what we have seen during the live interviews on the cable news shows; Hogan's comments in the print media should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Mecca 0]

From Lance Storm.

 

 

I either never knew the real Chris Benoit or something horrific happened inside of him prior to the 22nd. Many people are blaming drugs. I don’t accept that, and consider drugs an easy scapegoat. If drugs were a factor, then that blame must also fall on Chris Benoit, because from all accounts, he knowingly and willingly took those drugs.

[k thx 0]

Would it make more sense if they edit the whole Benoit involvement out or would you just rather the "blur" him out like the WWF logo?

If they're going to blur him out, they may as well superimpose HHH over his body.

 

They'll more than likely just ignore him for a while.

[Matt Young 0]

Brynn was drunk when it happened. When she realized what she did, she immediately sobered up and contacted a family friend. He came over, saw Phil's body, and called police. While police were attempting to remove the couple's two children from the house, Brynn shot herself in the head.

 

A neighbor had stated they had marital problems, but didn't think it would go to that point.

 

The authorities pinpointed the anti-depressant Zoloft, which Brynn had been taking, as what caused her actions. A lawsuit was filed against the manufacturer Pfizer, Inc. as well as Arthur Sorosky, Brynn's psychiatrist who had prescribed her the drug.

 

Ironically, according to the Observer this week, Benoit was prescribed Zoloft by Astin on that Friday of the weekend in question. My god, there is just yet another factor into things.

 

I've taken Zoloft for a year or so, and I am fine. I'm much more "sane" while on the drug, trust me. Besides, it takes a while to get into your system. Now, if he took some large amount, I could see him having an adverse reaction.

[Jingus 0]

Xanax isn't anti-depression, it's anti-anxiety. (And I've known a couple people who got REALLY emotionally fucked up on that particular drug.)

 

 

As for the "should they erase Benoit from 24/7" argument, here's a post from me on another board three days ago where I explain why they HAVE to, at least in the short term:

They're kinda stuck, though. If they keep airing ANY Benoit footage at all, you can bet that Geraldo or O'Reilly or Nancy Grace or some other phaggot would eventually get wind of it, and then air a big "OMG WWE PROFITS FROM ROID-RAGE CHILD MURDERER" expose-type story. And then their stock would take yet another hit and they'd lose more sponsors PTC-style, so forth and so on.

 

So they've really got to edit Benoit out, at least for now. Like you've pointed out, simply not airing the shows isn't a workable solution, as that eliminates not only the past seven years of WWE programming but a whole lot of other stuff too. My guess? Even as we speak, teams of editors are busily going through the entire WWE footage archive, making PR-friendly versions of all their shows in which Benoit has mysteriously been retconned off the face of the planet. They do similar things with Jesse Ventura's commentary and old WWF logos, so that's what the obvious choice here is.

[AntiLeaf33 0]

It's one thing to edit out audio (Jesse's commentaries) but as for physically removing a wrestler from history, thats going to take a hell of a lot of work. For certain moments he's going to have to be show, but just because he is being shown does not mean they have to promote it. Hell, if (God forbid) it was Hogan and not Benoit who did this horrible act, what would WWE do? Forget the 80's exsisted? When it comes to showing all the old Horseman footage with Benoit in it, they can simply cut out any footable of Benoit talking. Him standing in the background is not exactly promoting a killer. Sure, its acknowledging he was there, but nothing more.

 

Safe to say, it'll be interesting to see what approach is taken on this matter by the WWE and their editing crew.

[Vanhalen 0]

Can we close this thread now, the story is pretty much done and dusted now, no use dwelling on it.

[dubq 0]

Are you for real? The story's not done and dusted. It's only been a little over a week. We haven't even received toxicology reports yet.

[Jingus 0]

It's one thing to edit out audio (Jesse's commentaries) but as for physically removing a wrestler from history, thats going to take a hell of a lot of work.

Actually, it'd be easier than cutting out Jesse's commentaries. All they have to do is simply cut out every match, promo, and segment that involves Benoit. Looks like they've already started doing this, from what people with 24/7 have told me, he's already been edited off their broadcasts of Wrestlemania 23 and Monday Nitro from the latest update.

[bob_barron 0]

Can we close this thread now, the story is pretty much done and dusted now, no use dwelling on it.

 

They don't have the toxicology reports back you idiot.

 

If you don't like the thread then don't click on it.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I wonder what people expect to find in the toxicology reports though?