BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 How close to the PPV was the Raw back in August 2003 when they announced the EC for Summerslam when they realized that HHH was hurt? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toxxic 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 Mystery man doesn't work in an EC. Because either they come out to go into a chamber and then sit around doing nothing for a while, or they come out and compete first, which doesn't have the same impact either. A mystery man needs to come out and start kicking arse straight away, without having to wait or having his impact diminished by newer, fresher wrestlers emerging later (the same thing isn't quite true of a Royal Rumble because it's a slightly less focused environment). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kristianna 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 Elimination Chamber would be a pretty drastic move but that's something they like to hype. Orton-Kennedy-HHH-Umaga-Jeff and ? (Mystery man to be either Jericho or knowing WWE, Vince to assure HHH doesn't win). I'd hold off on using the EC. Still haven't washed out the taste of the last one. Yeah, I get what you're saying. I didn't catch Extreme Elimination Chamber on its first go-round, but I managed to "obtain" a copy of the PPV a little while back. I honestly had to see if it really did go down as bad as everyone made it out to be. It was bad... real bad. And so was Big Show's rematch on ECW a couple of night's later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blade2kxx 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 There was about 3 weeks of build for the EC at SummerSlam 03. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garfieldsnose 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 Nowhere in the match did it look like Kennedy was at fault for Cena's injury. Kennedy landed normally on that infamous hiptoss. Why is everyone so quick to blame him? Kennedy is blamed for not helping Cena on the hip-toss, where the injury occured. That's how Cena got hurt, it has nothing to do with Kennedy's landing. Everywhere I read said Kennedy landed awkwardly. That's why I was confused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kristianna 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 He landed awkwardly because he was either sandbagging or because he didn't see it coming. I winced when i saw the landing on that move because I knew something had just gone wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golgo 13 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 There's nothing obvious in the video that says Kennedy didn't help Cena on the move. The only ones who know what happened right now are those who were directly involved but it seems like a freak injury to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
milliondollarchamp 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 Mystery man doesn't work in an EC. Because either they come out to go into a chamber and then sit around doing nothing for a while, or they come out and compete first, which doesn't have the same impact either. A mystery man needs to come out and start kicking arse straight away, without having to wait or having his impact diminished by newer, fresher wrestlers emerging later (the same thing isn't quite true of a Royal Rumble because it's a slightly less focused environment). They can do that leave one pod empty and everybody wondering who he is going to be and when that wrestler is suppose to come out have Jericho's music come on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 If they really want to make Orton look like an ass, you can have Cena come out with a cast or whatever, announcing that he got hurt. Orton comes out and says that he just got a match from Coach right now or something, and he can just beat Cena down while Cena is hurt and pin him for the belt. Somehow they have to get Orton to pin him for the belt cause it'll look bad if Cena just vacates the belt and Orton never actually beats him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Reine 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 What happened to Cena really sucks and it sets the whole company back even more with the Benoit thing and recent steroid outings. Not to take the focus off the topic but I really also feel bad for Kennedy. Every time he starts to build up some momentum, something ALWAYS has to set him back whether it be an injury, suspension and now- though not his fault - putting out the company's biggest star. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toxxic 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 Mystery man doesn't work in an EC. Because either they come out to go into a chamber and then sit around doing nothing for a while, or they come out and compete first, which doesn't have the same impact either. A mystery man needs to come out and start kicking arse straight away, without having to wait or having his impact diminished by newer, fresher wrestlers emerging later (the same thing isn't quite true of a Royal Rumble because it's a slightly less focused environment). They can do that leave one pod empty and everybody wondering who he is going to be and when that wrestler is suppose to come out have Jericho's music come on You could do that. Or you could do something which doesn't ruin what little point there is to an Elimination Chamber (i.e. everyone starts in there, you remain in there until you are eliminated). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Human Fly 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 I hate it when the E has something drastic happen and they make a quick knee-jerk reaction (see Khali title win a few months ago). They have 5 days to make a decision so why rush a decision so soon? (I know they want to pop a bit of a rating for ECW but anyone who cares can just check the website at 10:05 and find out what the story is.) Meltzer lists possibilities of Orton v. HHH, Orton v. HHH v. Umaga, Orton v. Jeff Hardy and Orton v. Undertaker. If Undertaker ends up on Raw out of this something has to be said about Batista benefitting from every major injury this year. Undertaker and Kennedy get hurt so he stays in the ME scene with Edge. Edge gets hurt and he stays in the ME scene and eventually gets the title. Now if Undertaker goes to Raw because of the Cena injury Batista probably stays in the title picture until Wrestlemania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 I just was mentioning to Muggy on AIM that Batista, since losing the title at Wrestlemania, had NINE shots at getting it back. NINE shots in around 6 months. Two against Taker, Three against Edge, Three with Khali (and Rey in the one), and the Battle Royal after Edge got injured. That beats out HBK before WMXX ("I know I lost last time, but I was THIS CLOSE!") Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kristianna 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 I've never understood WWE's hard-on for Batista, and I don't think I ever will. 9 losing title shots? I can't believe even a crowd of marks would give a damn after that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Human Fly 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 I've never understood WWE's hard-on for Batista, and I don't think I ever will. 9 losing title shots? I can't believe even a crowd of marks would give a damn after that. Because charasmatic muscleheads will usually pop a live crowd. (Warrior, Luger, Road Warriors, Goldberg, Sid etc. etc.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 Mystery man doesn't work in an EC. Because either they come out to go into a chamber and then sit around doing nothing for a while, or they come out and compete first, which doesn't have the same impact either. A mystery man needs to come out and start kicking arse straight away, without having to wait or having his impact diminished by newer, fresher wrestlers emerging later (the same thing isn't quite true of a Royal Rumble because it's a slightly less focused environment). They can do that leave one pod empty and everybody wondering who he is going to be and when that wrestler is suppose to come out have Jericho's music come on You could do that. Or you could do something which doesn't ruin what little point there is to an Elimination Chamber (i.e. everyone starts in there, you remain in there until you are eliminated). Could always just tint the "glass" of the pod that the mystery man is standing in... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 Mystery man doesn't work in an EC. Because either they come out to go into a chamber and then sit around doing nothing for a while, or they come out and compete first, which doesn't have the same impact either. A mystery man needs to come out and start kicking arse straight away, without having to wait or having his impact diminished by newer, fresher wrestlers emerging later (the same thing isn't quite true of a Royal Rumble because it's a slightly less focused environment). They can do that leave one pod empty and everybody wondering who he is going to be and when that wrestler is suppose to come out have Jericho's music come on You could do that. Or you could do something which doesn't ruin what little point there is to an Elimination Chamber (i.e. everyone starts in there, you remain in there until you are eliminated). Could always just tint the "glass" of the pod that the mystery man is standing in... And how would you hide his identity before he gets to the ring? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamonddust 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 Mystery man doesn't work in an EC. Because either they come out to go into a chamber and then sit around doing nothing for a while, or they come out and compete first, which doesn't have the same impact either. A mystery man needs to come out and start kicking arse straight away, without having to wait or having his impact diminished by newer, fresher wrestlers emerging later (the same thing isn't quite true of a Royal Rumble because it's a slightly less focused environment). They can do that leave one pod empty and everybody wondering who he is going to be and when that wrestler is suppose to come out have Jericho's music come on You could do that. Or you could do something which doesn't ruin what little point there is to an Elimination Chamber (i.e. everyone starts in there, you remain in there until you are eliminated). Could always just tint the "glass" of the pod that the mystery man is standing in... And how would you hide his identity before he gets to the ring? You could have him come to the ring in a spaceship and then wear two masks so when a wrestler pulls off the first mask... bam... there's another! Wait a minute... Has that been done before? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JPopStarKami 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 Mystery man doesn't work in an EC. Because either they come out to go into a chamber and then sit around doing nothing for a while, or they come out and compete first, which doesn't have the same impact either. A mystery man needs to come out and start kicking arse straight away, without having to wait or having his impact diminished by newer, fresher wrestlers emerging later (the same thing isn't quite true of a Royal Rumble because it's a slightly less focused environment). They can do that leave one pod empty and everybody wondering who he is going to be and when that wrestler is suppose to come out have Jericho's music come on You could do that. Or you could do something which doesn't ruin what little point there is to an Elimination Chamber (i.e. everyone starts in there, you remain in there until you are eliminated). Could always just tint the "glass" of the pod that the mystery man is standing in... And how would you hide his identity before he gets to the ring? Mask? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kristianna 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 This is great! Val Venis is up to 52% on that poll. I don't think the results will make a real impact, hell... I'm just waiting to see how they play it off on the next RAW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edgehead69 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 I can't even imagine how much heat Kennedy has on him right now. Welcome to Heat... or ECW. it wasnt kennedys fault, the same way HHH's quad wasnt ortons fault.. Undertaker for WWE Champ... Anyone? Anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 When does Lashley expect to return? Not back til December. Also, pardon if its already been discussed but Cena may not make it to Mania either, its all depending on how quickly he can come back from this. If he can do 6 to 7 months, great - but we're talking that his first match back might BE at Mania itself. As far as the contingency plan, I say they do one of two things... 1) Have Taker face Orton at No Mercy for the title (given there is some backstory they could even play upon on Smackdown this week and Taker has no opponent) - in this case, I would still put Orton over here. 2) Just say a mystery opponent will be at No Mercy, and its Jericho. Jericho wins the belt immediately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 Kennedy didn't injure Cena. It wasn't his fault. Let me repeat that: Kennedy. Didn't. Injure. Cena. The prevailing theory seems to be "Kennedy didn't go up for the hiptoss". Bullshit. Go back and watch it in slow-motion, like I did. Kennedy runs the ropes, and before he gets to Cena he very clearly plants both of his feet and jumps for the bump. He didn't sandbag Cena one little bit. Watch the tape, it's plain as day. So don't go saying that Kennedy didn't cooperate and that it was thus his fault. The problem seemed to be that the two guys were just out of position for the hiptoss. Cena was too close to the middle of the ring, damn near in Kennedy's path, and Kennedy was running so fast that Cena had a hard time catching him and the timing was off. Cena was too close to being in Kennedy's way, Kennedy was running too fast, Cena fumbled the toss, and both of them were too close to the ropes. So instead of staying out of the guy's way and tossing Kennedy past him, Cena kinda threw Kennedy around his own body. Not to mention that Cena's hiptoss is always, um, "unique", you're really not supposed to fall down when you're hiptossing somebody. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 Mystery man doesn't work in an EC. Because either they come out to go into a chamber and then sit around doing nothing for a while, or they come out and compete first, which doesn't have the same impact either. A mystery man needs to come out and start kicking arse straight away, without having to wait or having his impact diminished by newer, fresher wrestlers emerging later (the same thing isn't quite true of a Royal Rumble because it's a slightly less focused environment). They can do that leave one pod empty and everybody wondering who he is going to be and when that wrestler is suppose to come out have Jericho's music come on You could do that. Or you could do something which doesn't ruin what little point there is to an Elimination Chamber (i.e. everyone starts in there, you remain in there until you are eliminated). Could always just tint the "glass" of the pod that the mystery man is standing in... And how would you hide his identity before he gets to the ring? Mask? If they don't want the crowd chanting for Jericho the entire time before he enters the match, they'd need to do more than put a mask on him. They can do the deal of not having him come out until it's his turn. Just time an elimination right, so that the door is open when it's time for Jericho to come in. Or simply open the door for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 I know its been discussed already as well, but there has got to be a possibility of Michaels returning here, probably again as a mystery opponent, against Orton. According to the most recent WON, he's basically healed and is just sitting around, enjoying the time off, not in any rush to return. There is a feud they could fall back on, and even still do HIAC at Cyber Sunday if they really wanted to. I'm just thinking of things from a "replacement" perspective here and given that, Michaels would seem the best candidate. They could run with a solid feud with those two til Survivor Series, where I imagine Orton would take on HHH for the title, or if Michaels wins, that could be transitioned to Kennedy from him to build to Kennedy/HHH at Mania, OR Cena/Kennedy, if Cena is healed by then. I really dont think Kennedy is going to get massive heat for what happened last night, personally. Hell, he very well may get the spot against Orton at No Mercy for the title, or they could go bonzo gonzo and do HHH/Umaga/Kennedy/Orton or something too. Hell, I might as well throw it out too - what about Van Dam as a lure to get him back into the company by giving him the belt right away? Also, how big of a chance is there that they want to give Orton the title in the first place or ever anticipated doing so at this stage? I know it was talked months ago, but since then, its cooled off alot and the assumption was that Cena was totally going over Orton in this program. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 If Shawn is unsure about coming back, the promise of one more run with the title might be enough to sway him. He could always agree to it in return for being allowed to retire for good once Cena is back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BorneAgain 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 If Shawn is unsure about coming back, the promise of one more run with the title might be enough to sway him. He could always agree to it in return for being allowed to retire for good once Cena is back. With Cena out till April or so, Shawn might be locked in as far as the Wrestlemania main event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 If Shawn is unsure about coming back, the promise of one more run with the title might be enough to sway him. He could always agree to it in return for being allowed to retire for good once Cena is back. With Cena out till April or so, Shawn might be locked in as far as the Wrestlemania main event. Maybe we will get that final installment of Shawn versus Hunter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 If Shawn is unsure about coming back, the promise of one more run with the title might be enough to sway him. He could always agree to it in return for being allowed to retire for good once Cena is back. With Cena out till April or so, Shawn might be locked in as far as the Wrestlemania main event. Maybe we will get that final installment of Shawn versus Hunter. Hell, I would be all for Cena/Michaels again at Mania for the title, also. When Michaels got hurt, he was still in the midst of feuding w/ Cena IIRC, so it would make sense to do the big final blowoff at Mania again. And perhaps Cena's first match back, and by then, we could possibly see Michaels as a heel? If so, a heel Michaels v. face HHH would probably be something I could see WWE doing, since every other scenario with those two has been done otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goldengreek 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2007 BLAME ROIDS- NOT KENNEDY KENNEDY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
