WWE General Discussion - November 2007

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

RVD was a total misuse. The fact they waited until 2006 to put the title on him was a huge blunder. He was ready to be champ in 2002 when he was clearly the top face of the company (when Rock and Austin weren't around).

 

What HHH did to him in 2002 completely ruined any chance for the company to make any real money off of him.

 

Yeah although ECW: ONS II was a great moment, RVD should've been champion much sooner. I remember him and Shawn Michaels just after HBK returned full time and won the title at Survivor Series, in the elimination chamber match, had an amazing one on one TV match. Shawn Michaels did a great job making RVD look like a threat to his title, and RVD came so close to winning it until HHH fucking interviewed. I remember wanting to smash my TV with a bat after the match. HHH is a buzzkill no denying that.

 

But I feel Booker T was just as misused as RVD. Booker T in early 2003 was the most over face on the RAW roster(and arguably in the WWE, aside from Hogan of course or possibly Lesnar), there is no doubt in my mind he should've went over HHH at Wrestlemania, especially with what the storyline was about. It was a horrible desicion to keep the title on HHH.

 

Christian was pretty misused as well. He was suppose to go to Smackdown and become a main eventer, but instead was stuck in the midcard. He was cutting great promos all of 2005 that year. He would've been a star most likely.

[cabbageboy 0]

I didn't think ONS II was a particularly great moment at all. I'd been waiting since roughly 1999 for RVD to finally win a world title. I saw his potential huge feud with Taz get pissed away when Taz signed with the WWF. I saw his feud with Mike Awesome get pissed away due to RVD's leg injury and Awesome bolting for WCW. Then the various screwjobs that prevented RVD in WWE from winning the title.

 

So FINALLY I was going to get what I wanted, namely RVD winning the title. But they just kinda botched the whole affair. First off, I never wanted Cena in that match. HHH should have been this asshole heel (thus getting a proper crowd reaction and not a bunch of people who legit hate a guy), HHH could have run down ECW and RVD, said he wasn't main event material. But this time RVD wins the match on his home turf, no interference. Instead we get this crap with Cena that essentially turned RVD and ECW in general into a bunch of pseudo heels and we get the lame "Can Cena overcome the odds???" bullshit. And then we have Edge run in and basically hand RVD the title with a run in. Add in that the match itself was all about Cena and the crowd shitting on him....RVD almost became an afterthought in what was in theory his crowning moment. I envisioned that match being something where RVD busted out every crazed move in his arsenal, both guys kicked out of finishers, Van Dam flipped into the 5th row on Cena, kicked out of the FU, made the ropes on the STFU, Cena kicks out of the 5 Star and the Van Daminator....but finally RVD hits the Van Terminator and that is something no one gets out of.

 

I ask you, isn't my booking better than what they actually did in that match?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

If Hogan came back, I'd like to see him Vs. Cena, Edge, Kennedy, MVP, or a rematch with Orton (where Randy would finally KILL the legend of Hulkamania!)

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

HHH may have barely won at Fully Loaded, but he wasn't the one in mid-card fueds with the likes of Benoit, X-Pac, Kane, and Regal the year following, and it didn't take him 11 months to get another PPV main event spot again.

 

HHH did feud with Benoit and Angle after his feud with Jericho. Angle wasn't considered a legit main event wrestlers prior to HHH feuding with him, despite winning the KOTR. He was coming off getting squashed by Undertaker the previous PPV. That whole Stephanie/HHH/Angle triangle did a lot for Angle, despite it ending pretty bad.

You're right. It turned him into a super geek that nobody could take seriously. Angle wasn't considered a legit main event before feuding with HHH, and he wasn't considered one after.

 

The Angle/HHH feud generated a lot of interest from the fans, it was no question one of the best feuds in the WWF that year, despite it having a shitty ending. People would tune in each week trying to figure out what would happen next. It was great TV, and from my understanding it was apart of the reason that made Vince decide to put the belt on Angle.

It was the best storyline of the year up until the finish, at which point all the momentum built up was pissed away and meant nothing. No good having the best storyline of the year if the ending is so ass backwards it destroys everything that's been built up.

 

Agreed. That angle did nothing for Kurt besides make him look like a bigger joke than his comedy segments and Undertaker already did. Not only couldn't he beat Triple H, but Stephanie was just leading him on the whole time. Angle's first reign made him look like a midcarder with a belt who couldn't beat any of the top guys without cheating, of course nobody remembers this because WWE did such a terrible job booking Jericho as champion that Angle's first reign looked like like Hogan circa 1985 in comparison. I think one of the biggest reasons Angle never became a draw is because he was booked as a glorified midcard comedy act for so many years. People liked to laugh at him, but nobody would pay to see him get his ass kicked.

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

The one thing I don't understand is if Triple H has so much against Jericho, why didn't he bury him at the height of Jericho's WWE career(atleast popularity wise) ? He put over and jobbed to Jericho on RAW with the whole "title change that didn't happen", which helped put Jericho over as more then just an IC title level wrestler.

You mean the Raw where Hunter called him a sawed off midget, and then pinned him clean in the main event, even though either of the APA could have easily taken the fall instead?

 

That wasn't putting Jericho over. Not in the slightest.

 

Is there a wrestler who did more damage to another wrestler's credibility than Triple H did to Jericho?

[Mike wanna be 0]

The saddest thing about Umaga is that they keep trying to have him maintain his heat by repeatedly using the Stinger Splash miss into headbutting the ring post, as if to imply that you can only use big moves on him when he's stunned.

 

It's to the point where he's doing it 2-3 times per match to set up the face comebacks. If he could just keep the opponent from the corner, or hell just stop stealing moves from Sting, nobody could ever beat him </kayfabe>

[haws bah gawd 0]

I just wanted to add one more thing in regards to RVD. What was going on with his fake title win against Undertaker in Summer 2002? He and Taker had an Undisputed Title match on RAW, and RVD got the pin following Rolling Thunder. The place went fucking insane. However, it was shown that Undertaker's foot was on the bottom rope, which the referee missed, and all it took following the restart of the match was kick *WHAM* Last Ride. No more offense for RVD, just a quick pin by Taker. Was this a miscounted pin by the Ref? WWE testing the waters with an RVD title win?

[Mecca 0]

WWE has been taping new show opens and such in HD in preparation for the switchover. I believe Smackdown will go HD on the CW starting in January (A MONTH AWAY~!), and Raw hopefully a few months later. USA and Sci-Fi in HD should be launching at any time.

 

Matt Hardy underwent an emergency appendectomy last Tuesday and will be out of action one to three months. It actually plays perfectly into his storyline with MVP, since the last show before the injury saw MVP destroy his knee after they lost the tag titles. WWE even tried to turn it into a storyline, writing, "Did the attack by MVP help lead to the appendectomy that Hardy underwent tonight?" He showed up at the building for Smackdown in immense pain and went right to the trainer, and they sent him right to the hospital. At the time, his insides were already being poisoned, so they said it was a good time they say him when they did. That's scary. This poor dude can't catch a break.

 

Hardy wrote on his blog: "I AM STILL ALIVE. As most of you know, I experienced a ruptured appendix which released toxins that internally poisoned me on Tuesday. After being in excruciating pain for nearly 24 hours, I went under the knife late Tuesday night and had my appendix removed. For the last four days, I've been virtually bed-ridden in Tampa General Hospital. For those four days, I've been having my body intravenously pumped and flushed with powerful antibiotics to kill the infections within my abdomen caused by the toxins. It wasn't exactly the way I planned on spending Thanksgiving of 07-- away from home, away from my family, and in torturous pain. But it was a good Thanksgiving nonetheless -- because I'm very thankful I'm still alive. I've got a lot left to do in this life, and I wanna thank God for continuing to give me that opportunity. I'll speak on all this in greater length later, but I need my sleep now. Thank you guys for all your support and get well soon wishes, they mean a lot".

 

Armageddon looks to be Undertaker vs. Edge vs. Batista in a three-way for the WWE Title, which I guess sort of explains the absurdity at the end of Smackdown this week, plus Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho for the WWE Title and Shawn Michaels vs. Mr. Kennedy.

 

Notes from an NZPWI interview with Bret Hart. He put over Jericho and Foley's books, but said most of the others were crap. He said he hadn't gotten any feedback so far from anyone in the business, and hadn't even heard from anyone in his entire family. As far as people in the business, he must not be looking very hard because at the very least Lance Storm wrote a column on it on his website.

 

He said the book wasn't written for wrestling fans at all. "It’s written for someone that’s not a big fan. Like, not a huge, wrestling -- you know, they can’t get enough of it kind of thing. But this is for someone who has a bit of an understanding of it, they watch it on TV, they know who some of the characters are, and they kinda wonder what the real wrestling is, how the business really works, how the personalities really mesh together." He said he was very proud of the WWE Bret Hart DVD despite the fact that it was quite stressful to have to put the whole thing together in basically 15 days. He said he really hoped they did one or two more. Still not happy with Shawn. "Shawn cried all the way through that whole [Montreal] episode in the dressing room with Vince. But he doesn’t write any of that in his book, and I thought, for me I want to put it in perspective. I want people to see this little sniveling coward. For a Christian he seems to enjoy lying quite a bit. I don’t really buy into that so much. Mind you, he wouldn’t be the first Christian to lie so much, but I think that I wanted to let people see people like him for what they really were, and then at the same time see someone like Undertaker for being the man that he is. See that not all of us are a bunch of sneaky rats who have no principles, some of us are really tight, and really close." He did admit that Shawn was a hell of a wrestler.

 

He buried the wrestling business as it is today, saying there was a desperate longing by fans for wrestling the way it used to be. He said if it were up to him, WWE would just show reruns. Well, the reality is that there is a place where you can see WWE reruns, and it has less than 100,000 subscribers after being available for a few years now. The main programming, the modern stuff, Raw and Smackdown, do 5 million viewers a week. Sure, one is free and one you have to pay for, but even a bottom of the barrel modern WWE PPV, which costs five times as much as a month of WWE 24/7, still does way more than 100,000 buys. He was asked about a comment Hunter made a few days back. Hunter was asked if something like Montreal could have ever happened to him or Shawn, and he said no, they weren't that stupid. Bret said: "And maybe I was, maybe I was stupid, maybe I was stupid to believe a man that had acted like my father, and treated me like -- he’d done so much for me. This is the same guy that’s his father-in-law today. So to take someone at his word, and believe him, and give him your word in return, if that’s stupid, then I guess I’m stupid. You know? But you should understand that all I did was tell the truth and be honest, and his father-in-law was pretty downright dishonest, and they’re total liars, if they can be proud of that, maybe that makes him smart to be a liar, I don’t know. In the end I wake up in the morning, I look in the mirror, I see a guy that -- you know, I have nothing hanging off my conscience that I feel bad about, I feel like in the end that was a heroic moment for me, because I was right,

 

I was telling the truth, and I was fair. I did everything that I would have done for my father. I came there, to be the pro that I’ve always been, and dealing with some people that are very unscrupulous, very dishonest, and Shawn Michaels even wrote in his own book that his big problem was simply the fact that I was being paid more than him. To decide that somebody’s being paid more than you, who’s been in the business longer, who’s a couple of years older, he’s the highest paid guy in the company and he’s paid his dues, and he’s being paid more – I don’t know how you can take exception to that and say 'you know I want to see if I can push this guy out, and get him out, ruin him, get him out of here, and take over everything.' You know I think that in the end when you look at how corrupt and slimy the Hunter Helmsley, and Vince, and Shawn, and that whole group, how wickedly deceiving and corrupt they were -- I think you can look at me, I don’t know that I was ever -- I don’t know how you’d rate my heroism, throughout my career, because a lot of it’s fabricated, it’s TV, but in the end that day I lived up to being the hero that I always pretended to be. Punching Vince in the jaw was a really brilliant thing to do, because it made people respect me forever."

 

He said if Paul Jay hadn't been there filming Wrestling With Shadows, nobody would have cared at all about the whole thing today. Well, the pivotal part of the story is the conversation that Vince and Bret had in the locker room that day, which you can still purchase in text form from Dave Meltzer in an old Observer, and the only reason that conversation exists is because Bret was wired for the movie. Without the conversation recorded, it would have been very easy for most everyone to believe Vince's side of the story, and since so many people in WWE seem to really believe what Vince told them in the aftermath (that he had to do it, that Bret refused to ever lose the belt, and that Bret was going to take the belt to Nitro the next day, none of which is true),

 

it would have been Bret's word versus the insistence of a huge number of people. I have a friend named Mark who refuses to watch TNA. Why? The crapty booking? The wasted talent? No. He refuses to watch because he hates the six-sided ring. I always thought that was absurd. Then I read this interview where Bret said he hated the ring so much that if he were younger, "I would probably not join that company just for the whole reason that I hate the ring." He hated the WCW ring as well, particularly the cables which gave you no spring. It's funny, because when I did the Derby City match, it was the only time in my life I'd ever been in an actual ring created by WWE, a huge 20x20 ring with real ropes.

 

Buddy's ring at his school, where I normally train, is 16x16 with cable ropes. What a world of difference it was. Someone once said that the WWE ring was like running a football field, and while I've never played football I would guess that this is an accurate statement. The thing was huge. And the strange thing was that when I hit the ropes for the first time, I was surprised to find myself actually propelled back towards the middle of the ring. Bret noted that with cable ropes you don't get that spring and he said sometimes he had to actually start running again once he hit them.

 

I never noticed it before, but boy did I ever notice in the WWE ring. He said he'd love to read a book about Vince McMahon if Vince was honest about everything. Hope he's not holding his breath. "My feelings for Vince aren’t so harsh as they are about Hunter and Shawn. Vince, I always had a lot of respect for him in a lot of ways, and I feel a bit of a -- if that day in Montreal had never happened, I feel that I would have been probably sitting right beside Vince McMahon, doing everything I could to help him and his company. I was a guy that really loved his company, loved his business and wanted to give him -- I was grateful for everything that he did for me, and I wanted to always be a contributor. So my feelings for Vince, and WWF, have never really changed, I’m always going to be grateful for what he did for me, I just don’t understand why he was so programmed to --

 

what they were trying to do to me at Survivor Series was really just to be as malicious and hurtful as possible, ruin me as much as possible, and have their own private joke, you know, we just really stuck it to Bret Hart." He talked about Vince calling him about the Hall of Fame. "Well, when I had that conversation I was about 5 days into my stroke. And I was really going through my most difficult challenge in my life. And I was really -- for lack of a better word, I was really down. He called me, and I didn’t know he would call me, but I did write about that in my book, it was almost like a --

 

I don’t know, when he called me we kind of put the hostility down and talked man to man. And I appreciated it as a kindness at the time, and he gave me a nice pep talk, told me that I was a fighter and I would beat this thing, that he had no doubts, and hang in there, and it was nice of him to call. I really gave him a second chance in some ways after that. I appreciated the fact that he took the time to call me when so many of people didn’t. I didn’t get a lot of calls, no-one really cared, and I had guys like Hogan and Flair bash me in their books which came out around the same time, and I felt like I was getting kicked while I was down. But Vince, you know I told him when we talked, I said 'I don’t want to be erased, I don’t want to be forgotten, because I really had some great wrestling matches for you, and I would love to do something,' because we had always talked about doing an anthology – a bunch of, at the time it would have been videotapes, videotapes of my greatest matches, I think we were talking about a five volume set, starting from the Hart Foundation, and building up to end of my career.

 

There was a lot of things like that, and when I talked to him on the phone, he said that anytime I wanted we could do all that, and not to worry about it, it was as good as done, and just let me know when I was up to for it, and we ended up doing that. And I’m grateful, even though the original concept of that DVD was to tear me to pieces, and I brought up the conversation I had with him when I was in the hospital, said 'you promised me a fitting tribute, I’m not going to do anything called "Screwed" where you highlight all the stuff that happened in Montreal, make money off that,' and in that conversation we agreed to do the DVD somewhere down the road, or that’s what we talked about, that concept anyway.

 

I always told myself, if they ever asked me to do the Hall of Fame, that I felt that I had a right to be remembered, and I had a right to go back. And if there was ever, if they invited me, I would go. That was before I had the stroke. It was after Survivor Series that I thought about that. And when he asked me about it that day on the phone, I said that was something I would like to do but that right now I don’t have the heart for it, I don’t think that I could even -- I was in hospital, so I was pretty down and out, so anyway we had that talk, and it was all -- couple of years later when I had recovered enough, the Hall of Fame thing came up and I thought that it was a good way for me to find closure.

 

To do something for my fans again, give the fans that goodbye. I had a lot of fans asking me when I was coming back, even just to say goodbye, and I didn’t want to break it to them, but I’d say goodbye at the Hall of Fame. That was my final WWF appearance." He said he was very nervous about it and it was tough to check him emotions, but in the end he was happy with what he did and what he said. He said his next goal is to try to get his book made into a film.

 

credit:F4W Newsletter

 

[cabbageboy 0]

WWE must not have been amazed by the reaction to the bogus RVD title win over UT. Thing is, what were they expecting? UT's foot was on the ropes and when does RVD ever get a win with the Rolling Thunder? If I had been there I would have been mostly puzzled and then expecting the exact Dusty Finish that occurred.

 

The sad thing about RVD's 2006 run is that the storyline in theory was right there and could have been so brilliant. A solid Rumble finish (4th), getting ripped off in the WM tourney by HHH, finally winning a MITB match at WM where he can name his time and place....then using it at the ECW ONS PPV where it's to his advantage. What was the whole point in RVD jobbing to HHH in the WM tourney rather than the obvious jobbing candidate in that match, The Big Show, who seemed to be in it literally to lose and blow off that HHH feud? The only reason I could think of is that HHH would win at WM and then RVD would cash in the MITB against him and finally get the win over HHH.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

The real baffler is the booking of Sabu in 2006. Yeah, I get that he was involved in the same drug pull-over situation RVD was, but it just seemed so odd to see someone go from coming so close to winning the World Title at ONS, getting a PPV bout with John Cena, and being built up as the one man Big Show couldn't beat get soundly beaten by Big Show every TV match they had after SummerSlam, have a piss poor performance at the Rumble, then be shown the door.

[Thanks for the Fish 0]

I too absolutely hate the six-sided ring and it is a huge reason why I can't bother to watch the programming. It's just reeks of gimmickry and "different just for the sake of being so". It's likely too much a part of the company for them to drop in in favor of the regular square version, however many look awkward as hell working in it - consider that outside of the few that ever worked lucha in Mexico, nobody has worked in a six-sided ring and when they work indies and Japan they are back working four-sided rings. The most awkward part is when the wrestlers seemingly don't know if they are being thrown off the ropes or into a corner, and if it is a corner spot they often are thrown in such a direction that they have to decide which corner they want to go into on the fly and noticibly change direction to get there.

 

[Enigma 0]

I just wanted to add one more thing in regards to RVD. What was going on with his fake title win against Undertaker in Summer 2002? He and Taker had an Undisputed Title match on RAW, and RVD got the pin following Rolling Thunder. The place went fucking insane. However, it was shown that Undertaker's foot was on the bottom rope, which the referee missed, and all it took following the restart of the match was kick *WHAM* Last Ride. No more offense for RVD, just a quick pin by Taker. Was this a miscounted pin by the Ref? WWE testing the waters with an RVD title win?

I only saw it as a way to say, "Hey everyone, LOOK! Ric Flair's really a heel now!"

[The Niggardly King 0]

The real baffler is the booking of Sabu in 2006. Yeah, I get that he was involved in the same drug pull-over situation RVD was, but it just seemed so odd to see someone go from coming so close to winning the World Title at ONS, getting a PPV bout with John Cena, and being built up as the one man Big Show couldn't beat get soundly beaten by Big Show every TV match they had after SummerSlam, have a piss poor performance at the Rumble, then be shown the door.

 

Vince loved Sabu, and wanted to do a lot of things with him and his gimmick. Sabu was the best protected guy coming in, and you could tell they had plans for him. He was built as a major threat and had a competitive match with John Cena, took Rey Mysterio to a draw over the World Heavyweight Title, and was being groomed to be the top face of ECW while Punk was getting built up. Things went sour when he started acting like he usually does, falling asleep backstage, and just not having a good attitude about things and expecting so much so fast, but I guess that happens when you have the guy in charge creaming himself over almost everything you're doing and telling you about all the ideas he has.

[cabbageboy 0]

Enigma, the thing is I don't recall Flair exactly going heel at that point. In fact it was fairly soon after that RVD/UT match when Flair lost control of Raw to Vince (this being when Austin walked out). Flair may have been going heel but Vince beating him for control of Raw put that on hold.

 

The wild thing is that Van Dam semi teamed with Flair on and off in the Summer of 2002, and then Flair did in fact turn heel on RVD at Unforgiven 2002. So not only did Flair restart the UT match, he also flat out cost RVD the title against HHH.

[Enigma 0]

Enigma, the thing is I don't recall Flair exactly going heel at that point. In fact it was fairly soon after that RVD/UT match when Flair lost control of Raw to Vince (this being when Austin walked out). Flair may have been going heel but Vince beating him for control of Raw put that on hold.

 

The wild thing is that Van Dam semi teamed with Flair on and off in the Summer of 2002, and then Flair did in fact turn heel on RVD at Unforgiven 2002. So not only did Flair restart the UT match, he also flat out cost RVD the title against HHH.

Well, Flair was feuding with Steve Austin at that point, so he definitely was a heel. The Raw in question was the night after Judgment Day, where Flair put himself in a Handicap match with the Big Show vs. Austin.

[BorneAgain 0]

Yeah, Flair turned heel on Austin shortly before Judgment Day, and remained as such, until Austin walked out, and was a face again until Unforgiven 2002.

[Enigma 0]

It's a shame Austin walked out and messed up everything. I was really digging the Flair, Anderson, Benoit, & Guerrero group they had on Raw for a little bit and was looking forward to Austin vs. Guerrero at King of the Ring that year.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Agreed. That angle did nothing for Kurt besides make him look like a bigger joke than his comedy segments and Undertaker already did. Not only couldn't he beat Triple H, but Stephanie was just leading him on the whole time. Angle's first reign made him look like a midcarder with a belt who couldn't beat any of the top guys without cheating, of course nobody remembers this because WWE did such a terrible job booking Jericho as champion that Angle's first reign looked like like Hogan circa 1985 in comparison. I think one of the biggest reasons Angle never became a draw is because he was booked as a glorified midcard comedy act for so many years. People liked to laugh at him, but nobody would pay to see him get his ass kicked.

 

It did a lot for Angle. It was really the 1st time Angle really was shined in the limelight and it worked. And he did end up beating HHH, to win a title shot the next PPV against The Rock.

 

Say what you want about Angle's comedy role, but it was entertaining. He got reactions from the crowd(regardless of weather it was boo's or cheers), and atleast I found it entertaining TV. He really excelled at it. Angle was draw, he never was going to be a Rock or Austin level draw, but he reached his full potential in the WWE no doubt in my mind. He main evented Wrestlemania, won numerious of world titles, and will go down as possible to most decorated wrestlers in the WWE or Pro wrestling as whole.

[Enigma 0]

During a recent interview with Live Audio Wrestling, former WWF and WCW Champion Sid Vicious confirmed that he was in talks to return to WWE and mentioned that he had spoken directly to Vince McMahon about it on more than one occassion.

 

"We have been talking for a while now and trying to get things worked out," Sid said.

 

When questioned about TNA, he said, "I think TNA is great for the boys to have another place to work, but they can't help me reach some of my renewed goals, such as performing in front of 80,000 fans again."

 

Sid, who recently turned 47, is said to be in fantastic shape for his age and fully recovered from his horrific broken leg at WCW's "Sin" PPV in January 2001. He said his main reasoning for wanting to return full-time to WWE is to see the world again.

 

"There are a lot of guys who hate the road and the travel. Not me. I absolutely love seeing all this world has to offer and never get tired of it. It's why I want to come back the most," Sid said.

[AntiLeaf33 0]

If Sid is in good shape, then I really wouldn't mind seeing him come back for a year or so

[Dobbs 3K 0]

He looked alright in that clip from Memphis Wrestling that was on here a while ago...he wasn't quite as massive, but still looked pretty in shape.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

It's not like he wasn't in good shape when he was stinking up the ring in the 90s... but I'm a Sid mark, so hooray!

 

Another topic I was thinking of over in the Video Games folder (in relation to SVR 08) is why people don't seem to like Justin Roberts. I love the way he enthusiastically announces names.

 

 

[Guest Bigelow34]

RVD was a total misuse. The fact they waited until 2006 to put the title on him was a huge blunder. He was ready to be champ in 2002 when he was clearly the top face of the company (when Rock and Austin weren't around).

 

What HHH did to him in 2002 completely ruined any chance for the company to make any real money off of him.

 

Yeah although ECW: ONS II was a great moment, RVD should've been champion much sooner. I remember him and Shawn Michaels just after HBK returned full time and won the title at Survivor Series, in the elimination chamber match, had an amazing one on one TV match. Shawn Michaels did a great job making RVD look like a threat to his title, and RVD came so close to winning it until HHH fucking interviewed. I remember wanting to smash my TV with a bat after the match. HHH is a buzzkill no denying that.

 

But I feel Booker T was just as misused as RVD. Booker T in early 2003 was the most over face on the RAW roster(and arguably in the WWE, aside from Hogan of course or possibly Lesnar), there is no doubt in my mind he should've went over HHH at Wrestlemania, especially with what the storyline was about. It was a horrible desicion to keep the title on HHH.

 

Christian was pretty misused as well. He was suppose to go to Smackdown and become a main eventer, but instead was stuck in the midcard. He was cutting great promos all of 2005 that year. He would've been a star most likely.

 

I still am not 100% on the 2003 Booker train. They wanted to put the belt on Goldberg shortly after his arrival, so at best Booker's reign would have only been a month or so. Then you also end up having rapid fire title changes instead of Goldberg ending a long Hunter reign.

 

[haVoc 0]

- The Big Show was backstage at the Survivor Series PPV in Miami. Show is in training to be a boxer, even though his first fight has yet to be set. He was said to be in better shape than he was in WWE.

 

Credit: WO/Gerweck

 

The Hell? Isn't boxing boring enough?

[Black Lushus 0]

only when it's heavyweights...

[cabbageboy 0]

Maybe I forgot that Flair heel stuff in May 2002 because I was on his side in that issue with Austin. That pseudo feud was really where Austin completely jumped the shark as a character. I reasoned that I could see how Austin would dislike Vince as his boss, but Flair's demands were so much more reasonable. Austin seemed like a complete asshole who couldn't get along with anyone, rather than someone being oppressed.

 

It's strange that I forgot about this though, since I went to a house show in May 2002 and saw Flair in a handicapped match against Austin. It was the first time I had ever seen Flair in person.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

If Sid is in good shape, then I really wouldn't mind seeing him come back for a year or so

 

Weren't there reports recently that Sid wouldn't be making a comeback because he told Vince he couldn't pass the new drug tests?

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- The Big Show was backstage at the Survivor Series PPV in Miami. Show is in training to be a boxer, even though his first fight has yet to be set. He was said to be in better shape than he was in WWE.

 

Credit: WO/Gerweck

 

The Hell? Isn't boxing boring enough?

I would watch Big Show box someone.

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If Sid is in good shape, then I really wouldn't mind seeing him come back for a year or so

 

Weren't there reports recently that Sid wouldn't be making a comeback because he told Vince he couldn't pass the new drug tests?

 

Maybe that's one of the things they are "working out".

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- The Big Show was backstage at the Survivor Series PPV in Miami. Show is in training to be a boxer, even though his first fight has yet to be set. He was said to be in better shape than he was in WWE.

 

Credit: WO/Gerweck

 

The Hell? Isn't boxing boring enough?

I would watch Big Show box someone.

 

But would you pay for it?