WWE 24/7 Discussion Thread - December 2007

[Nate 0]

Pat Patterson's Gift to us is the HBK vs Bret Hart Iron Man match

[10 Pounds 0]

Does Starcade '98 apply to the weird rule that Goldberg's WCW Theme must be overdubbed by his WWE's theme ?

[Darth Pipes 0]

I will say one thing...Kane ended up working out great for them. I figured he would be gone once Taker beat him at WM14 but he's proved his durability, despite the stupid storylines the WWE has put him in.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Does Starcade '98 apply to the weird rule that Goldberg's WCW Theme must be overdubbed by his WWE's theme ?

 

You know it.

[Guest]

Joey Styles' gift is the 3 way dance from Barely Legal '97.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

"Happy Kwanzanakkauh everyone" - Kenny.

 

He didn't sound very comfortable doing an out of character promo (even though he was sort of in character, doing the cocky "future hall of famer" thing). Anyway, time to settle in for some Art Donnovan colour commentary!

 

Art: This, uh, Razor Ramon fella, he outweighs him by about 30 pounds!

Savage/Monsoon: (silence, followed by reaction to Razor slapping Owen).

 

Art: I'll tell you what... I think Razor's gonna lose. After watching the show, that other fella seems a bit too much for him!

 

WWF Alert! Monsoon was not muted on "who will become the 1994 WWF King of the Ring"

[Guest krash9924]

Dreamers gift is Magnum TA vs Blanchard for Starrcade 85

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Sunflower updated. Highlights coming up.

 

Wednesday: Starrcade '92. No Mercy 2007.

 

1/2/08: Black Saturday, Bash at the Beach '94, MSG: 3/24/80 (MSG Debut of Kerry Von Erich), First Prime Time Wrestling

 

1/9/08: Ladder Match dvd, first Tuesday Night Titans

 

1/16/08: First ECW on TNN episode, first WCW Nitro, first Monday Night Raw, Royal Rumble 1988, MSG: 1/21/85 (Hart Foundation dual debuts as singles competitors). That MSG show has a 20 minute Santana/Valentine main event, and those two always deliver.

 

1/23/08: Ladder Match part II, Cyber Sunday

[King Kamala 0]

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - March 24, 1980 (26,102 which included 4,000 in Felt Forum)

Televised on the MSG Network - featured Vince McMahon on commentary

Bulldog Brower pinned Frank Williams at 8:53 with an elbow drop following a running back elbow

Kerry Von Erich pinned Jose Estrada at 10:49 with a sunset flip out of the corner (Kerry's MSG debut)

Tor Kamata pinned Mike Masters at 5:46 with a jumping kick and a kneedrop

Larry Zbyszko defeated Bruno Sammartino (w/ Arnold Skaaland) via disqualification at 15:31 when Sammartino failed to release a choke; Sammartino was eventually pulled away by Skaaland and referee Dick Kroll while Zbyzsko escaped

Afa pinned Dominic DeNucci at 9:42 with a jumping headbutt

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund pinned Sika at 18:32 after throwing the challenger off the top as Sika attempted a diving headbutt

Andre the Giant & WWF IC Champion Pat Patterson defeated Bobby Duncum & Ken Patera at 11:04 when Andre pinned Duncum with a splash as Patterson had Duncum in the figure-4

Rene Goulet pinned Baron Mikel Scicluna with a sunset flip at 6:11

Hulk Hogan pinned WWF Tag Team Champion Tito Santana at 8:12 with a suplex and grabbing the tights for leverage; prior to the bout, Hogan was escorted to the ring by Freddie Blassie (Hulk Hogan: The Ultimate Anthology Wal-Mart exclusive 4th disc)

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - January 21, 1985 (16,000)

Televised on the MSG Network - featured Gorilla Monsoon & Gene Okerlund on commentary:

Prime Time Wrestling - 9/22/86: Moondog Rex pinned Terry Gibbs with a reverse neckbreaker at 10:14; prior to the bout, Howard Finkel announced that the Junkyard Dog would be Jimmy Snuka's partner later in the show, substituting for the Tonga Kid

All American Wrestling - 2/24/85: Bret Hart defeated Rene Goulet via submission with a sleeper at 14:32 (Hart's MSG debut)

Prime Time Wrestling - 3/5/85: Jim Neidhart pinned Tony Garea with a powerslam at 12:05 (Neidhart's MSG debut)

Prime Time Wrestling - 3/5/85: Don Muraco (w/ Mr. Fuji) pinned Swede Hanson at 10:54 with the tombstone; prior to the bout, Pedro Morales was introduced to the crowd

Blackjack Mulligan pinned Moondog Spot at 6:40 with a small package; Rita Marie made her debut as referee for the bout and was billed as the first ever female referee

Prime Time Wrestling - 3/5/85: Andre the Giant defeated Ken Patera (w/ Bobby Heenan) via disqualification when Heenan came off the top onto Andre, hitting him with a pair of brass knuckles and causing the referee to be knocked down; moments later, Patera came off the top onto Andre, with Andre lifting his boot into Patera's face before sending both men out of the ring (Andre the Giant VHS, Andre the Giant DVD)

Prime Time Wrestling - 3/5/85: Big John Studd (w/ Bobby Heenan) pinned George Wells at 7:19 with a backbreaker; the referee made an obvious fast count to end the match

Roddy Piper & Bob Orton Jr. defeated Jimmy Snuka & the Junkyard Dog (sub. for the Tonga Kid) in a Texas Tornado Match at 8:45 when Orton pinned JYD after Piper tripped JYD from the apron (The WWF's Most Unusual Matches)

Prime Time Wrestling - 3/5/85: The Spoiler pinned Rick McGraw at 8:59 with a butterfly spulex

Tito Santana defeated WWF IC Champion Greg Valentine via count-out at 20:21 when a flying forearm from the challenger sent Valentine out of the ring

 

The cards from the two MSG shows from Graham's site. The 3/24/80 show looks pretty historic. Besides Von Erich's MSG debut, you get a Zbysko/Sammartino and Hulk Hogan Vs Tito. The 1/21/85 show on the other hand looks kind of shitty outside of the main event.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Yeah, I mentioned the content of the 1980 card earlier in this thread... interesting stuff.

 

Anyway, Merry Christmas to the 24/7 Connection. Here's to a great 08.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Newest NWA show is up (2/8/86 I think) with jazzy new graphics (and sound effects!). This Virgil Runnels producer-dude (whoever that loser is) is finally earning his keep.

 

I know who it is.

[Darth Pipes 0]

Newest NWA show is up (2/8/86 I think) with jazzy new graphics. This Virgil Runnels producer-dude (whoever that loser is) is finally earning his keep.

 

I know who it is.

 

Unfortuneately it looks like they're not going to show that special 2/7/86 NWA show they were hyping with all the Championship Challenge Series matches.

[Diamonddust 0]

Newest NWA show is up (2/8/86 I think) with jazzy new graphics. This Virgil Runnels producer-dude (whoever that loser is) is finally earning his keep.

 

I know who it is.

 

Unfortuneately it looks like they're not going to show that special 2/7/86 NWA show they were hyping with all the Championship Challenge Series matches.

 

That's the downside of it not being an episode of World Championship Wrestling. It was the same feeling when we had all those shows a couple months ago hyping Starrcade '85, and it wasn't on the schedule. It would be a nice touch if they would match up, however, they'd then have to do the same with the Monday Night Wars and even the ECW shows starting relatively soon... although, that wouldn't be a bad thing.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Last year things actually lined up, but I don't know if it ever had previously or ever will again.

 

It just happened that in October 2006, they were showing October 96 episodes leading up to IYH: Buried Alive, which was also part of the October 2006 Halloween theme. At the end of MNW episode with the last Raw before the PPV, they put a graphic on screen "Watch Buried Alive. Available now on WWE 24/7!"

[10 Pounds 0]

Does Starcade '98 apply to the weird rule that Goldberg's WCW Theme must be overdubbed by his WWE's theme ?

 

You know it.

 

Finally watched the show this week. Funny how they absolutely have to change Goldberg's theme but have left out several Benoit references and even a WWF scratch logo on screen.

 

And Venkman, since we both have Cogeco, have you had any problems with the MNW or the Troops show ? Both freeze at the 7 minute mark and loop back to the "Christmas moment" at the beginning of the show.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

All of my shows are running nice and smooth. Cogeco here even stopped saying shows were 7 minutes! I can't believe I missed a WWF scratch logo either, I love looking for those errors.

 

Of course, no Starrcade 92. I don't get what stops PYBO's from airing here, but whatever.

[bob_barron 0]

The History of WWE Championship Part 6 has a really awkward cut from Brock v. Rock to them showing Eddy beating Brock.

 

Which sucks, I wanted to see Benoit v. Angle again.

 

I'm looking forward to seeing Starrcade 92, haven't seen that show in a while.

[JHawk 0]

Since I lost 24/7 after I moved this summer, somebody could become a friend for life if they can provide me copies those MSG shows that are due for January.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Starrcade '92 is such an unusual show. Multiple guys wrestling three matches. The Battlebowl pairings seemed legitimately random. Jushin Liger and Erik Watts against Sting and Steve Williams? Sting/Vader was outstanding as usual. Chono/Muta was unusually horrid.

[Guest Nitro 24/7]

I remember watching Starrcade 92 on ppv back in the day its a really good show. The music edits suck though and so does the announcing they had to edit in some of the matches.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the closing credits. Virgil Runnels and Alan Rogowski!

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Yeah, "Virgil Runnels" is in the closing credits for the NWA weekly shows, too. I don't know if Ole is, though.

[cabbageboy 0]

The really hilarious thing on that Starrcade is that Erik Watts is out there doing a crappy looking STF in the tag match with Liger, and then later in the show Muta and Chono are out there doing STFs in an NWA world title match! If I'm Chono I would have been pissed at an inept rookie out there doing that move when I was going to use it in a title defense as a finisher.

 

I disagree with Scott Keith's rant on that PPV. He said the show sucked hard and to avoid it. I thought Sting/Vader was a great match and the tag title match was terrific as well.

[bob_barron 0]

It's just a weird pointless show. What's the point of changing the result from a double countout to a DQ win?

[cabbageboy 0]

Yeah, WCW had a real air of aimlessness about it at that point in time. I mean what did it really matter if you win the Battlebowl? What did it really matter if Sting or Vader won the King of Cable tourney? What the hell does being the King of Cable even MEAN? In actuality it meant so much that Vader (who lost that KoC finals) won the world title from Ron Simmons right after that Starrcade.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

I remember watching Starrcade 92 on ppv back in the day its a really good show. The music edits suck though and so does the announcing they had to edit in some of the matches.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out why they edited Capetta at the beginning of the match, but not at the end.

[Guest]

The ring announcer isn't on a separate track from the music. So they have to edit him out at the beginning, but not the end, given that the music doesn't come on at the end until Capetta has given the decision.

 

If they kept Capetta's voice in, it would sound like a garbled mess.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Yeah, WCW had a real air of aimlessness about it at that point in time. I mean what did it really matter if you win the Battlebowl? What did it really matter if Sting or Vader won the King of Cable tourney? What the hell does being the King of Cable even MEAN? In actuality it meant so much that Vader (who lost that KoC finals) won the world title from Ron Simmons right after that Starrcade.

Running tournaments is a staple of some promotions, and it was popular in WCW at the time. It was meant as a similar concept as King of the Ring, but of course WWF had that copyrighted. King of Cable comes from WCW using wrapped cables as their ring ropes.

[Diamonddust 0]

Yeah, WCW had a real air of aimlessness about it at that point in time. I mean what did it really matter if you win the Battlebowl? What did it really matter if Sting or Vader won the King of Cable tourney? What the hell does being the King of Cable even MEAN? In actuality it meant so much that Vader (who lost that KoC finals) won the world title from Ron Simmons right after that Starrcade.

 

It was part of Watts' attempt to make things look legit and like other professional sports. He was all about trying to make things look as realistic as possible.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

What's the point of changing the result from a double countout to a DQ win?

The theory that the fans won't feel so cheated out of not getting a finish if the babyface gets his hand raised.