Radical Opinions

[Guest NYankees]

YOu are talking shit about me, I am going to run my mouth. Especially when you cant see the big picture. I dont think it's alot to ask for a person to either be educated or a skilled worker, drug free and not be 100'000 dollars in debt when they have a child.

You're making generalizations, bad ones at that and using them to suggest policy. That's a bad idea.

 

I can see the big picture. The big picture is that this is a minuscule part of the government's problems. But it is easier to pick on the unfortunate.

 

 

I wouldn't call two horny teenagers who have a kid as being unfortunate.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

If you take a set of keys from someone who's intoxicated and getting ready to drive, is it bad that you are making decisions for them?

 

Your analogy doesn't work at all.

 

Drinking & driving is not the equivalent of pregnancy. I could have easily gotten a girl pregnant at age 16 if a condom had broken--and, even looking back as a responsible, well adjusted 24 year old, I still wouldn't have wanted the government to step in and put me in prison or cut my johnson off if my high school girlfriend and I had decided to give birth.

[Guest NYankees]

Who else is going to pay for the child besides society? You can go to a work release program to pay off the debt you owe to everybody else.

 

 

OOOO, I forgot. You can give your child up for adoption penalty free.

[foleyfanforever88 0]

If you take a set of keys from someone who's intoxicated and getting ready to drive, is it bad that you are making decisions for them?

 

Your analogy doesn't work at all.

 

Drinking & driving is not the equivalent of pregnancy. I could have easily gotten a girl pregnant at age 16 if a condom had broken--and, even looking back as a responsible, well adjusted 24 year old, I still wouldn't have wanted the government to step in and put me in prison if my high school girlfriend and I had decided to give birth.

 

Being drunk isn't that much worse than being a 15-year old mother on drugs who is unable to make it through highschool. Some people just aren't fit to make life-changing decisions.

[Guest NYankees]

Yes, because I am sure somewhere along the road she received a handout.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Who else is going to pay for the child besides society? You can go to a work release program to pay off the debt you owe to everybody else.

 

My argument, that I made earlier in the thread, is that we should try to do more to prevent teenage and unwanted pregnancies in the first place. More readily available birth control. Sex education that doesn't just pretend that teenagers don't have sex. Increased and expedited adoption. And, yes, safe and legal abortion. These things would be FAR less costly than the huge government bureaucracy you would create to enforce your no birth policy and incarcerate the offenders, not to mention the cost of subduing and repairing the damages from the riots that would inevitably result (in which I would enthusiastically participate).

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Yes, because I am sure somewhere along the road she received a handout.

 

Okay, I'm now convinced you're just yanking our chains.

[Guest Blue Man Czech]

We do need to imply this towards our country.

 

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[bob_barron 0]

NYankees is from Westchester? We should hang out!

[King Kamala 0]

Isn't Chieng Meng Wang Korean anyways?

[Brett Favre 0]

Taiwanese.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Isn't Chieng Meng Wang Korean anyways?

Taiwanese actually.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

While we're at it, don't let the blacks have kids either. That would take care of the crime and poverty problem right there.

[lomasmoney 0]

YOu are talking shit about me, I am going to run my mouth. Especially when you cant see the big picture. I dont think it's alot to ask for a person to either be educated or a skilled worker, drug free and not be 100'000 dollars in debt when they have a child.

 

I'm a tad late to the party, but do you even understand the fact that one of your basic arguments, that someone not be $100,000 in debt before they have a child pretty much goes against your idea that everyone go to some sort of post secondary educational institution for at least two years. Who exactly is going to pay for this, and even better, do you even realize that most people who go to college, end up in tens of thousands of dollars in debt, solely because they decided to go to college. After four years in undergrad at the most expensive in-state public school in the country and probably another three more years of law school, I'm looking at about $60,000 to $70,000 dollars of student loan debt, and that is with a large scholarship to law school. And also, why should we impose these absurd standards on people if they want to have children, you do realize that the government really has no place to tell people when, and under what conditions they can have children. Reproduction is a natural right of all able human beings. If the people aren't suitable parents afterwards, then there are already measures in place that at least see to it that children get somewhat adequate health care, and a K-12 education is "free" for every child in America. My last and most important point, is that you can't cherry pick and predict if someone is going to be a good or a bad parent. Sure, good financial standing and a good education make it more probable that someone will be better able to provide for their children, but some of the most screwed up people I know are the children of doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc.

[2GOLD 0]

Make it so only gay men can have babies. Hilarity will ensue then.

The government (states and federal) can barely handle given out car licenses without major hiccups and you want them to now try and deal with THIS?

[lomasmoney 0]

Why do so many people make these generalized assertions that everyone who has a child when they are not married and under the age of 21 and without a college degree is automatically a welfare queen. My parents weren't married when I was born, hell they didn't get married until I was 4 years old. They were both younger than I am now( My mom was 22 and my dad was 21). Neither one at the time had their college degree, but they both now have very successful careers. At times, when I was younger we didn't have a lot of money, but really how many 21-25 year olds do with all the debt that they incur by going to college and whatnot. I would say even though my parents didn't stay together, they put one son through college, have another one in school now, and my sister is in her last year of high school. I have numerous friends, most of them very successful even at our age, that don't have one parent with an education past high school. 25-30 years ago, people were not going to college in the numbers they are now and society turned out just fine. If you want to solve some of the problems in America, fix the inequalities in wealth distribution in this country, stop wasting billions upon billions of dollars fighting across the world, "saving democracy", and please actually fund some of the schools in the urban areas, because there is a pretty strong chance that the more education and opportunities someone has, the less likely they are to commit crime. Horrible legislative acts like the No Child Left Behind, which in some cases, takes funding away from under performing schools, are doing more to contribute to the problems in society, than some 20 year old guy knocking up his girlfriend when the condom breaks

[justsoyouknow 0]

Hey, let's do something about those Jews, too.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

One of my friends once suggested that, at a certain age, let's say 18, we offer everyone a nice, free car in return for them voluntarily accepting sterilization.

 

So you could have a free care and be sterile, or not have the car and be free to reproduce indefinitely.

[justsoyouknow 0]

Let's, like, say that, at age eighteen, you have to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, or we round you up and put you in camps. I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE DO YOU WANT YOUR AFTERLIFE FULL OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T DESERVE TO BE THERE?

[Nighthawk 0]

Freeze everybody's sperm and then sterilize them. No accidental pregnancies, but you can have children if you want.

 

We should all be Logan's Runin' It.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

That is a pretty good idea. Fuck condoms.

[Guest Blue Man Czech]

Radical opinion: normally I oppose wasteful government spending, but I think that the federal or state government should issue every 15-year-old boy one copy each of The Dark Side of the Moon and Tom Petty's Greatest Hits, with The Wall, Revolver, Born to Run, The Cars' Greatest Hits, and other standbys offered at heavily reduced prices as supplemental starter-kit material. The first two have to be free, though. Sure, you may be in 3rd hour honors chemistry, but you're not really a Middle American sophomore in high school till you drive around with your buds listening to "Free Fallin'" and "Refugee," fallaciously realizing that all that new shit sucks; this is the real Good Music. Or my favorite: driving around town to "Whole Lotta Love," the riff of which, serendipitously, can be mentally rewritten to go "we're drivin' 'round town. town. town. town. town. town. town, we're drivin' 'round town."

 

Well, I wasn't driving. I didn't get my license till I graduated because I hate driving and I was too environmentally conscious at the time to drive to a campus that was only half a mile away, well within walking distance, but you can bet I rode shotgun the HELL out of "Burnin' for You"!

[PILLS! PILLS! PILLS! 0]

Radical opinion: normally I oppose wasteful government spending, but I think that the federal or state government should issue every 15-year-old boy one copy each of The Dark Side of the Moon and Tom Petty's Greatest Hits, with The Wall, Revolver, Born to Run, The Cars' Greatest Hits, and other standbys offered at heavily reduced prices as supplemental starter-kit material. The first two have to be free, though. Sure, you may be in 3rd hour honors chemistry, but you're not really a Middle American sophomore in high school till you drive around with your buds listening to "Free Fallin'" and "Refugee," fallaciously realizing that all that new shit sucks; this is the real Good Music. Or my favorite: driving around town to "Whole Lotta Love," the riff of which, serendipitously, can be mentally rewritten to go "we're drivin' 'round town. town. town. town. town. town. town, we're drivin' 'round town."

 

Well, I wasn't driving. I didn't get my license till I graduated because I hate driving and I was too environmentally conscious at the time to drive to a campus that was only half a mile away, well within walking distance, but you can bet I rode shotgun the HELL out of "Burnin' for You"!

 

I was just going to suggest that everybody get their older friend to buy porn at the local Super Pantry before they are of age and everything will pan out...

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

Or my favorite: driving around town to "Whole Lotta Love," the riff of which, serendipitously, can be mentally rewritten to go "we're drivin' 'round town. town. town. town. town. town. town, we're drivin' 'round town."

 

This is my new favourite Czech post ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. And I just re-read "Let's right this ship."

 

With the ship's re-alignment in mind, I assumed an old thread had been bumped, especially when I read that NYYankees had been banned. I had to look three times at the date and his status to make sure everything was in order. (To be fair, I've just come off a night shift). How could he have been a member here when I left for work, and gone when I got home?

 

Since it's too late to post my opinion on the subject, I'll tell this random tale: I'm smitten with a counter girl at the variety store up the street. My two roomates went up there yesterday and saw aforementioned girl. To try and wingman for me, one turns to the other, but directed at counter girl, and says "Hey, that's some big dick CG has, eh?"

[Ripper 0]

I always miss the good stuff like this dumbass thread.

[2GOLD 0]

Or my favorite: driving around town to "Whole Lotta Love," the riff of which, serendipitously, can be mentally rewritten to go "we're drivin' 'round town. town. town. town. town. town. town, we're drivin' 'round town."

 

This is my new favourite Czech post ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. And I just re-read "Let's right this ship."

 

With the ship's re-alignment in mind, I assumed an old thread had been bumped, especially when I read that NYYankees had been banned. I had to look three times at the date and his status to make sure everything was in order. (To be fair, I've just come off a night shift). How could he have been a member here when I left for work, and gone when I got home?

 

Since it's too late to post my opinion on the subject, I'll tell this random tale: I'm smitten with a counter girl at the variety store up the street. My two roomates went up there yesterday and saw aforementioned girl. To try and wingman for me, one turns to the other, but directed at counter girl, and says "Hey, that's some big dick CG has, eh?"

 

I think your friend might have did a better job making her think she can see a live guy on guy show than anything. Good effort though.

[Ripper 0]

If that didn't make her laugh and lead to a conversation, then fuck her. She was a bitch anyway.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I believe that our United States government should impose a baby license that a couple has to apply for before they can have a child. A couple must be approved by meeting certain qualifications before they can have a child. A couple can be M/F, M/M/F and F/F/M. The two partners in the relationship must both have 21 years of age, High School or GED, two years of military, trade school or an Associates Degree, work a combine minimum of 60 hours per week, be in good credit standing and be able to pass a drug test.

 

 

I feel that if we are able to imply this towards our country, we would be able to eliminate alot of the problems that our society faces. We would be able to cut down on poverty, welfare, etc. This would lead to a better school system, health care and other social reforms due to our govt not wasting money on detriments to society who leach and do not give back. The punishment for having a child without a license would be life in jail where the person works 40 hours per week to pay off their debt to society who would be raising the child.

 

Dont mean to mention the two dreaded GB words again, but Glenn Beck had an "Liscense to Procreate" application to the US Department of Parenting in his book in the chapter on parenting. He also suggested that the couple would have to go through a simulated parenting exercise over the course of 3 months or so having to deal with the a baby crying all night and needing to be fed and the like..

 

Considering the things you have to fill out an application to do (rent movies, get a job, buy a house) I cant see why anyone would have a problem with it.

[BUTT 0]

Radical opinion: normally I oppose wasteful government spending, but I think that the federal or state government should issue every 15-year-old boy one copy each of The Dark Side of the Moon and Tom Petty's Greatest Hits, with The Wall, Revolver, Born to Run, The Cars' Greatest Hits, and other standbys offered at heavily reduced prices as supplemental starter-kit material. The first two have to be free, though. Sure, you may be in 3rd hour honors chemistry, but you're not really a Middle American sophomore in high school till you drive around with your buds listening to "Free Fallin'" and "Refugee," fallaciously realizing that all that new shit sucks; this is the real Good Music. Or my favorite: driving around town to "Whole Lotta Love," the riff of which, serendipitously, can be mentally rewritten to go "we're drivin' 'round town. town. town. town. town. town. town, we're drivin' 'round town."

 

Well, I wasn't driving. I didn't get my license till I graduated because I hate driving and I was too environmentally conscious at the time to drive to a campus that was only half a mile away, well within walking distance, but you can bet I rode shotgun the HELL out of "Burnin' for You"!

Czech, bros love the hell out of Tom Petty, they'll discover him without any government help.

[Jingus 0]

Dont mean to mention the two dreaded GB words again, but Glenn Beck had an "Liscense to Procreate" application to the US Department of Parenting in his book in the chapter on parenting. He also suggested that the couple would have to go through a simulated parenting exercise over the course of 3 months or so having to deal with the a baby crying all night and needing to be fed and the like..

 

Considering the things you have to fill out an application to do (rent movies, get a job, buy a house) I cant see why anyone would have a problem with it.

Because it would essentially be a License To Fuck. As long as you're not born sterile, any time a man and a woman have vaginal intercourse they run the risk of conceiving a fetus. Thus you're basically criminalizing sex. (And don't say Safe Sex, because it doesn't really exist.) I don't like the amount of control our government tries to exercise over people's genitalia now, much less adding on any more fascist bullshit. These "undesirables shouldn't breed" theories are not new, and Hitler was real fond of them.

 

Man I'm not happy about having missed this thread, you can't BUY stupidity like that.