MMA Comments that Don't Warrant a Thread

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Yes, the guy no one knows vs. the guy nobody likes, would be hyooge. You may want to list some of these names that the UFC is losing, considering all the guys they acquired in the past year.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

They re-signed Koscheck so besides Tito whom else is there that other orgs would be interested in picking up?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Well, there's Randy. That's two. I mean, shit, 2 whole people. Both of whom have a history of holding out (Randy even before Dana knew what the UFC was). Both of whom pretty much want a million dollars per fight. Shiiiiit. The ship's sinking fast, boys. I don't think Zuffa will survive this massive diaspora.

[Hawkius Maximus 0]

Sarcasm to hide a lack of a point is not a good tactic for one to take. I'll concede Koscheck, since I didn't know he had resigned, but the losing of Andrei Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, and very soon Tito Ortiz are MORE then enough in the way of lost name power to make the point. That's not to ignore that Randy Couture's still out in the ether, regardless if you like him or his tactics. He's still the #1 name in MMA right now.

 

Tim Sylvia is one of UFC's most known heavyweight fighters. Yes, that's not exactly saying much, but he has far more name value then even a Nogueria currently despite the fact that Nog beat him. People do not like Tim Sylvia, but to think that people will not tune in to watch Tim Sylvia fight on live TV is absurd. Fedor fighting on live TV for free would draw in the hardcores, not to mention casuals who get drawn into the appeal when advertising would begin.

 

On top of that, this is *CBS*, who bought into Elite XC. This isn't Spike. CBS is heavily powerful, with a vested interest in seeing this project take off. You are trying to tell me, as an intelligent MMA fan, that a LIVE MMA event with Tim Sylvia versus Fedor with CBS pouring advertising time into on their highly watched shows wouldn't draw? Seriously? You honestly do believe that?

 

If this fight happened tomorrow, it wouldn't draw, but we're talking build. They wouldn't sign those two and book the fight the next day. Weeks of advance hyping through the internet, through CBS, on their top TV shows, for WEEKS, building up this event. You build it up as the signboard heavyweight of UFC (and he was, don't try to argue that) versus the #1 heavyweight in the entire world, and you just HAMMER it into fan's heads in a way that UFC and Spike are seemingly incapable of doing. If they do that, this fight would smash UFC's rating's records.

 

The vision of this folder cannot be so narrow as to not even SEE the possibilities that exist can it?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

There is a difference between losing key talent and "A LOT of people", which is was the basis of your original statement. Tito and Randy have a history of contract disputes, with Zuffa and others. Tim Sylvia states that he wants to fight for the UFC again in the future, and a number of mitigating factors surround his release, namely being Monte Cox and the fact that he would be a long ways away from a title shot in the UFC, having challenged and lost numerous title bouts.

 

Then you have Shogun, Silva, Noguiera, Herring, Lesnar, Cro Cop, Rampage, Sokoudjou, Coleman ... all coming to deals with the impossible-to-deal-with, and notoriously cheap, Dana White. Then you had Vera and BJ who were on the outs with management, realigning their priorities and coming back to Zuffa to make it work.

 

So, really, A LOT of people have been signing on with Zuffa.

[Mik 0]

Well, promoting Fedor vs. Sylvia is irrelevant because he signed with Adrenaline MMA (previously M-1). They also signed Ben Rothwell. If you're going to bring in all of these heavyweights, why the heck did you let Fedor walk?

 

Maybe Dana is right and a lot of these other promoters have no idea what they're doing.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

There is so much to the CBS deal that the best thing to do in this discourse is to watch it unfold.

 

However, since we're all conjecturing, why not...

 

The UFC, in its peak, drew something like 3.0 in ratings on SPIKE. Now, you say that CBS is not SPIKE, this is true, so the ratings ceiling is indeed higher. However, EXC is not UFC. They haven't built the following that UFC has. There is little to no goodwill developed by EXC. The crowds and numbers drawn by EXC isn't half of what UFC draws. And while the ratings ceiling is higher, the ratings expectation is indeed higher as well.

 

CBS isn't exactly run by geniuses who know the ins and outs of fads and fighting. They want MMA to see what it will draw, due to the UFC's success with certain demographics, and they see EXC as being comparable to UFC. It isn't. And even if it were, even if they got 3 million people to watch, it's still not enough for CBS because they could put on pretty much anything in the timeslot to draw 3 million people. TV time is an opportunity cost/lost situation.

 

They could say that Fedor is Jesus reborn and it won't get the general public interested in a guy who doesn't speak english and doesn't look like a fighter. They can't use any of his PRIDE footage, and with Tim Sylvia, they can't use any of his UFC footage, so what do you sell to the fans? Two guys with love handles facing off and looking mean? You won't draw interest just by saying it's important, you can't get people to care just by telling them to care. No matter how big the audience. The hardcores that Fedor would supposedly draw is the same hardcores that will be watching anyways. So that point is a lil absurd. But, if you HAMMER it... who am I to argue with hammering.

 

And I seriously doubt CBS will put a lot of weight behind EXC. The return just won't be there. UFC's deal with AnBusch was such a bigger story because it's one that is making them money from advertisers. Who is going to advertise and sponsor EXC? Which, for CBS, is the main source of revenue coming from putting EXC on TV. So why would CBS pony up a ton of cash, free up a ton of ad space, for a show that could potentially end up being a net loss? For a show that is ultimately being done as a feasibility test? Sure, you can point to the stock acquisition as being a vested interest, but the basic fact that they can opt out of the agreement after any of the shows shows you how cautious they are about putting MMA on tv.

 

Ultimately, I can't see EXC getting more than a 3.0, and I can't see CBS being happy with a 3.0. I personally don't think EXC will end up doing 2.0, and I know CBS won't be happy with that.

[Lei Tong 0]

Has anyone ever seen that Iron Ring show on BET? That show makes black people and MMA look bad... Doesn't suprise me, considering it's BET.

 

 

I'm pretty sure that Rudo had previously argued that trying to cross-polinate MMA with hip hop culture would be a good idea.

 

*stares at Rudo judgingly*

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

DON'T JUDGE ME!!

[The Niggardly King 0]

What does everyone think about Timmay leaving the UFC?

 

 

:( :( :( :(

 

A hard pill to swallow

[Mik 0]

Who knew Greg Jackson was so funny. Good delivery, too.

 

http://mmamania.com/2008/03/29/greg-jackso...jutsu-training/

 

"It's just math."

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cSuunj8YAjc

 

Joe Lauzon and Dan Lauzon making fun of Kenny Florian hardcore in this... Pretty funny.

[Mik 0]

MMAJunkie is reporting that Fedor's asking price is $2M per fight.

 

Good luck with that.

[Youth N Asia 0]

MMAJunkie is reporting that Fedor's asking price is $2M per fight.

 

Good luck with that.

 

Yeah, that's a little much for a guy who hasn't proven to be a draw in the US

[Mik 0]

Chuck on Kimbo:

 

"I could make some impressive knockout videos too if you let me walk outside and just punch people and knock them out -- "hey you, come fight!" Liddell told The Sun. "F*** we can make a highlight reel tomorrow and go round beating people up and talking about it. We could just go up to people and start dropping them. Wow!"

[Mik 0]

Speaking of Kimbo, his CBS opponent is James Thompson.

 

This could end up being scary bad for EliteXC. Think about it like this: Kimbo is probably the heavy favorite, but at the same time Thompson is the most complete mixed martial artist that Kimbo has faced so far. He puts Ray Mercer, Bo Cantrell, and Tank to shame. So the main problem with that is that every hardcore MMA fan knows that James Thompson kind of sucks hard. In fact, he got KTFO by Brett Rogers (I think) at the Kimbo/Tank card. Even casual fans might remember that.

 

If Kimbo still isn't ready for a real fighter, this could be a disaster.

 

I think he is ready but I thought they might throw him one more can for the mainstream audience. You can argue that Thompson is sort of a can, but I think he's miles ahead of what Kimbo has seen so far.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

James Thompson will likely be stupid enough to stand and trade with Kimbo, and because of his weak chin, will get KTFO.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

You can argue that Thompson is sort of a can, but I think he's miles ahead of what Kimbo has seen so far.

 

He's problay has a weaker chin then anyone Kimbo's seen so far.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Or he'll get KTFO because he's getting paid to get KTFO.

[The Niggardly King 0]

YES YES YES

 

DVDS VS BREAD

 

THIS IS GONNA BE EPIC

[Maztinho 0]

The discussion in the WWE folder about Taker's using the Gogoplata and people calling it a Triangle Choke make me want to mash my brains in with a hammer.

 

 

[Mik 0]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/extr...etes/index.html

 

Sports Illustrated's top 25 toughest athletes. Two MMA fighters are on it. Which ones? And at what position?

 

I completely disagree with the #1 overall choice, btw.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

That article claimed Fedor's victory over Lindland was his defining moment... Aaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Al Bundy is now officially a black belt in Jiu-Jitsu.

 

Give it up.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Shiit, I'd move to Cali just to see if I could get a bb from Dutch.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

http://www.dailymotion.com/iowcatalyst/1

 

Anyone wanting to see some Faber fights, this guy uploaded 10 of em.

[Mik 0]

I just watched the Adkins fight, which I believe was Urijah's 2nd professional fight. You can really see how far he's come since that fight. He was throwing wild looping punches and had absolutely no idea what to do on the ground. But the potential was still there, obviously, as he absolutely mauled the guy.

 

I thought it was kind of a dick move offering to help the guy up in the middle of the fight while he spent the entire 4 minutes before that and the 3 minutes after just battering the shit out of him.

[Youth N Asia 0]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/extr...etes/index.html

 

Sports Illustrated's top 25 toughest athletes. Two MMA fighters are on it. Which ones? And at what position?

 

I completely disagree with the #1 overall choice, btw.

 

Oh piss on that list

[NoCalMike 0]

Marion Barber......REALLY?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

IFL New Jersey

Friday, April 4

Izod Center

East Rutherford, N.J.

 

IFL Welterweight Championship

Jay Hieron def. Mark Miller – TKO (Strikes) 2:10 R1

 

IFL Featherweight Championship

Wagnney Fabiano def. Shad Lierley – KO (Punch) 0:37 R1

 

IFL Light Heavyweight Championship

Vladimir Matyushenko def. Jamal Patterson – TKO (Strikes) 3:35 R2

 

Mike Ciesnolevicz vs. Carmelo Marrero – No Contest (Cut)

Emyr Bussade def. Jesse Lennox – Tapout (Kneebar) 1:25 R2

Brad Blackburn def. Delson Heleno – TKO (Strikes) 1:50 R3

Jim Miller def. Bart Palaszewski – Unanimous Decision (30-27 all)

Chris Horodecki def. Nate Lamotte – Unanimous Decision (29-28 all)

L.C. Davis def. Rafael Dias – KO (Kick) 3:56 R3

Alex Schoenauer def. Brendan Barrett – Split Decision (29-28, 29-27, 28-29)