tonyjaymzretro 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 This is an off shoot of the Future HoFers thread. This is for guys who you think is very good, btu not quite Hall of famers. The solid but unspectacular, The Overlooked gems, etc. Post why you think they deserve to be a HOVGer, but not a HoFer. My nominees: Derrick Mason He has solid stats: 790 recs, 10061 yards, and 52 TDs, but he isn't an elite WR. The fact that he doesn't bring any attention to himself probably keeps him out of the HoF, he would need a ring to get in. But for the HOVG? Most certainly. He has the tenure(12 years of solid years). He plays through pain(He played msot of this post season pretty mcuh with one arm) and he is a solid team player. If he gets a ring, I can see an argument for HoF but I think he fits in the Hall of Very Good for right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naiwf 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 I'm not going to list their stats or whatnot but these are guys who I saw play a lot (only NY teams) who meet the criteria of enshrinement in the HOVG but not quite the HOF. Baseball: Bernie Williams Don Mattingly Dwight Gooden Keith Hernandez Basketball: Charles Oakley Football: Phil Simms Hockey: Mike Richter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 Jim Rice~. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MFer 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 There's a lot more receivers you could put in this category. Keenan McCardell-He's 10th all-time in receptions and 20th all-time in receiving yards (although there's some active players set to pass him in both categories). Muhsin Muhammad-21st in receptions, 22nd in receving yards, 2 Super Bowl appearances, one 1st-team All-Pro appearance to his resume. Irving Fryar: 5-time Pro Bowler, top-15 in all major receving categories. Rod Smith: 3-time Pro Bowler, 2 Super Bowls, back-to-back 100-rec seasons, top-15 in receptions and yards. Jimmy Smith: 5-time Pro Bowler, top-15 in receptions and yards, had a stretch of 9 out of 10 1,000-yard seasons, two 110+ reception seasons. Joey Galloway: Over 10,000 yards, 21st in receving TD's. If Amani Toomer plays another year, he could get to 700 receptions, 10,000 yards, and 60 TD's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 Sterling Sharpe (Would've been HOF if his career didnt get cut short) Wesley Walls (5 pro bowl apperences, 4 all pro apperenceS) Ken Norton Jr(3 pro bowls, 2 all pros, a huge part of Cowboys dynasty) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyjaymzretro 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 I think Garret Anderson of the Angels deserves to be in too also, I think Shaun Alexander deserves to be in the Hall of Very Good, but not Hall of Fame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 Priest Holmes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted January 29, 2009 I'll name a few guys already in some Halls of Fame who belong in this one instead. Cam Neely Jim Rice Bill Mazeroski Calvin Murphy In any case, the Baseball HOF is the most "correct." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2009 I'll name a few guys already in some Halls of Fame who belong in this one instead. Cam Neely Completely agree. I am a big fan of his as well, but injuries cut his career short... If he's win, Eric Lindros and Pavel Bure, both of whom who have accomplished alot more then Neely should no question get in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Cam Neely defined the power forward position. He's one of the best power forwards ever. One of the best playoff performers of his generation too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 I'll add Chris Osgood and Curtis Joseph to this list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted January 30, 2009 But Neely only had three great seasons. I don't dispute that he defined the position. His case is just tough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 In those three seasons, he was an absolute force of nature though. It's a tough case but I think he's definitely deserving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 One of the best playoff performers of his generation too. It's hard to argue that point with no ring, there are many better playoff performers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Hard to blame him for not beating those Oilers teams. And everyone went on and on about Raymond Bourque being a playoff warrior when he rode the backseat to the cup in 2001. Bourque was a key member of those teams too. The Oilers were just better. The fact is that Neely is 4th in goals per game in the playoffs (ahead of Gretzky, behind Lemieux, Bossy and Richard). He scored 57 goals in 93 games in the playoffs. And of course, the "what if" thing had Samuelsson not crippled him in the 91 playoffs...we'll never know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annabelle 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 neely changed hockey but didn't play long enough to deserve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smartly Pretty 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Mike Richter The best American goaltender of all time is a Hall of Famer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted January 30, 2009 But he shouldn't be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 I wish I could put Eric Davis in the HOVG. Injuries and illness cut his career short, but he was a very good player when he was healthy. He was three homeruns short of being the first 40/40 player, and he only played in 129 games that year. I dream of a healthy Eric Davis tearing it up for the Reds, but he just couldn't keep it together. http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/daviser01.shtml Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 QB Jim Everett... the late 80's/early 90's "Archie Manning" of my generation. He had only 2 seasons with more than 7 W despite his numbers - Career 57.7% completion rate - Threw 203 TD vs. 175 INT - Had 5 seasons where he threw for more than 3,800 yards - Had 6 seasons with over 20 TD and led the NFL with 31 and 29 in back to back years - Ran for almost 600 yards in his career - In an 8 season stretch, he threw for over 20 TD in 6 of them On the downside, he had 6 seasons with 17 or more INT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 neely changed hockey but didn't play long enough to deserve. That...doesn't make sense. He changed hockey in the short amount of time he played. That's one of the reasons he's in the hall of fame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 The first guy to immediately come to my mind. One of my favourite players as a kid. He won 16+ games 6 times and was the ace on some great Jays teams in the 80s when I was growing up, before having his career destroyed by injuries. 176 Wins, 3.44 Career ERA. Not a Hall of Famer by any means, but he was a very good player for a decade. Jays fans adored this guy back in the day, and him finally getting his no-hitter after losing a couple to the last batter in the 9th is one of my personal top ten favourite sporting moments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Mike Richter The best American goaltender of all time is a Hall of Famer. I would say John Vanbiesbrouck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Mike Richter The best American goaltender of all time is a Hall of Famer. I would say John Vanbiesbrouck. Barrasso could be argued too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Mike Richter The best American goaltender of all time is a Hall of Famer. I would say John Vanbiesbrouck. Barrasso could be argued too. Forgot he was even American... Him or Vanbiesbrouck, I'd problay lean towards Barrasso though, I think he should be in the HOF! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annabelle 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 neely changed hockey but didn't play long enough to deserve. That...doesn't make sense. He changed hockey in the short amount of time he played. That's one of the reasons he's in the hall of fame. you need more than one reason to be in the hall. you need to be multi-faceted and not have only 4 years of dominance. his reckless style changed hockey but ruined his longevity. i just dont think he dominated for long enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 neely changed hockey but didn't play long enough to deserve. That...doesn't make sense. He changed hockey in the short amount of time he played. That's one of the reasons he's in the hall of fame. you need more than one reason to be in the hall. you need to be multi-faceted and not have only 4 years of dominance. his reckless style changed hockey but ruined his longevity. i just dont think he dominated for long enough. That's one reason. The other two are his definition of the power forward position and his outstanding playoff numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vampiro69 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Jack Morris. I would love to see him in the HOF but I don't think it will happen. Black Jack had the most wins of any pitcher in the 90's, pitched the 2nd greatest WS game ever behind Don Larsen's perfect game. Granted he had a somewhat high ERA for a possible HOF pitcher but he also was willing to have a slight change in his ERA because he was willing to save some wear and tear on his bullpen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Jack Morris. I would love to see him in the HOF but I don't think it will happen. Black Jack had the most wins of any pitcher in the 90's, pitched the 2nd greatest WS game ever behind Don Larsen's perfect game. Granted he had a somewhat high ERA for a possible HOF pitcher but he also was willing to have a slight change in his ERA because he was willing to save some wear and tear on his bullpen. This strikes me as something we can easily look up. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/pspli...a02&year=00 Scroll down and you'll find Morris's splits by inning. His numbers actually get better as the innings go on. It doesn't prove much about Morris's clutch performance, pitchers only get left in late generally when they are performing well. It does show that his ERA probably wasn't hurt by staying in games later. I don't think Morris would be a horrible selection though. That '84 Tigers team won 104 games and the World Series in dominant fashion, yet no Hall of Famers? They should have Trammell, maybe Morris and maybe Whitaker. For the record, Sandy Koufax 1965 was the greatest game seven pitching performance in World Series history. Complete game shutout, ten strikeouts, the Twins never got a runner to third base. And Koufax pitched on two days rest! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Morris would likely be in the Hall if the voters didn't hate him on a personal level. Some times it pays to be nice to the media. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
