Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2009 Thus, and with the greatest of apology to all of those who have expended time and energy on behalf of the A’s, and the same apology to those who have expended time and energy in a sincere and polite expression of disagreement with our desire to relocate in the City of Fremont, I have concluded that further consideration of the A’s relocating to Fremont must cease. The Oakland A's to Fremont deal is officially dead. So what's next? Is Bored our only A's fan here? I know that San Jose and Sacramento are frequently discussed as alternatives, but I don't see either one being viable, especially right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2009 Thus, and with the greatest of apology to all of those who have expended time and energy on behalf of the A’s, and the same apology to those who have expended time and energy in a sincere and polite expression of disagreement with our desire to relocate in the City of Fremont, I have concluded that further consideration of the A’s relocating to Fremont must cease. The Oakland A's to Fremont deal is officially dead. So what's next? Is Bored our only A's fan here? I know that San Jose and Sacramento are frequently discussed as alternatives, but I don't see either one being viable, especially right now. Ahem. The deal to build the A's a new park in Fremont is officially dead. Really outside the fact that I live slightly closer to Fremont than Oakland, there wasn't a whole lot I liked about the deal. Popular belief is that the A's will now turn their attention to San Jose where the current ownership has wanted to move all along. I agree though that I don't think any deal for a new stadium will be done any time soon unless the economy suddenly does a 180. Won't surprise me if the A's are still in the Coliseum for another decade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2009 I was reading something stupid on the Phillies board. They were trying to start rumors that the A's would comeback to Philadelphia and where the new ballpark could be. I think even though it would be hard to get loans to build the park, it would probably the most affordable now. I'm sure the construction and materials industry is hurting a lot and the park could be built for the fraction of the cost during a good economy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2009 I was reading something stupid on the Phillies board. They were trying to start rumors that the A's would comeback to Philadelphia and where the new ballpark could be. I think even though it would be hard to get loans to build the park, it would probably the most affordable now. I'm sure the construction and materials industry is hurting a lot and the park could be built for the fraction of the cost during a good economy. I can't see that being a viable alternative. Right now, stupid as it may sound, the best place for a third team is northern New Jersey. But there is no reason the Oakland A's can't remain in Oakland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2009 They'd be second-class citizens just like the Nets and Devils are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2009 Bill Simmons has a very long, but fascinating article up at espn.com about the state of finances in the NBA. It's well worth the read if you are interested in that sort of thing, even if Simmons isn't your cup of tea. Among topics covered are a pending lockout for 2011; the reasoning behind the lack of trades; bad officiating; and the possibility of multiple franchises moving in the next 15 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Czech please! Report post Posted February 27, 2009 Bill Simmons has a very long, but fascinating article up at espn.com about the state of finances in the NBA. It's well worth the read if you are interested in that sort of thing, even if Simmons isn't your cup of tea. Among topics covered are a pending lockout for 2011; the reasoning behind the lack of trades; bad officiating; and the possibility of multiple franchises moving in the next 15 months. As someone who takes an interest in business-of-sport, that wasn't very long at all, and it was almost good enough to overcome its Simmonsness. Far from perfect, though: while he makes great points about how the scale of NBA contracts has become so unsustainable that it might take an NHLian reset just to knock some sense back into the system, and how the trade system is in dire need of repair, he undermines what could really be the dagger as only Bill Simmons can by turning the point about "lousy officiating" into "lousy officiating that causes the Boston Celtics to lose two games." The section on relocation is just Bill looking at Google Maps and seeing which cities show up if you zoom out kinda far. While yes, there are several cities that probably aren't long for this league--New Orleans, Memphis, Sacramento, Milwaukee, and Oklahoma City, in that order--I can all but guarantee that they're not landing in Tulsa nor Louisville. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted February 27, 2009 It kind of surprises me Sacramento isn't still a sustainable NBA franchise. I really would love to see a team back in Seattle, though. Wonder why Billy didn't even mention the most obvious choice right there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2009 Bill's choices were those that have brand new, NBA-caliber arenas with no tenant. He seems to place a lot of weight on the precedent set by Oklahoma City. In other words, a franchise in trouble today will look for an easy move rather than a protracted, complicated one. Seattle, while a big time city, still needs massive improvements to Key or a new facility before they could get team to commit to a move there. That's not an immediate problem for say, Kansas City or St. Louis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 28, 2009 Kansas City's going to happen very soon, but I don't see that one being so nice to whatever team winds up there. There are too many teams. 28 markets cannot be supported by this league. I only see one spot where a relocated franchise could potentially prosper. That's Vegas. Otherwise we are talking about re-treads. San Diego, Vancouver, Seattle (if the city caves on the arena) and St. Louis could be worth another look. Those four are questionable ones except for St. Louis. They love their sports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Czech please! Report post Posted February 28, 2009 If St. Louis really wanted the NBA, they'd have a team by now. The region strikes me as the kind that prefers college ball because of "integirty [sic]" and "none of them thugs," even though the behavior of Illini players and fans is far more deplorable than that of several NBA teams. At the risk of drawing Slim Citrus out of his bunker to tell me "Fuck. You.", I wonder if Sacramento has ever really been a viable NBA market in the first place. They've only been around for like 25 years or so, and most of those years, they've been mediocre to bad. I know they were fun to watch for a couple of those Laker Fodder years and developed the temporary national following that fun NBA teams always do (hello goodbye, Mavericks and Suns), and were able to SCREAM REALLY LOUD at home games, but it doesn't seem like they ever became a huge point of civic pride the way, say, the Utah Jazz did. I don't suppose it helps that the Maloofs aren't making any money in the casino business these days, and have been grousing about having their circa-1989 arena replaced on the taxpayers' dime for at least six years already, complaining and scaremongering as the state's finances fall into ruin. The KeyArena thing befuddles me, since they just rebuilt it less than 15 years ago, rebuilding it in such a way that optimized basketball seating at the expense of ever hosting the NHL. What a fuckup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2009 ARCO Arena isn't that old, but it's a veritable shithole in a bad location. They've tried to improve that area, but it's located at least 15 minutes north of town in no-man's land. There's been some new construction in the area, but for most of its life it has sat in a wasteland. It's a large monstrosity plopped dead in the center of a piece of land abutting Interstate-5. Location is terrible in terms of access, including no public transportation. As for the viability of the franchise, it was a tough ticket for quite a few years. If we're carving up California, the northern half certainly identifies more closely with the Kings than the Warriors. I guess they don't need to have basketball there, but I don't think it's a bad location. The metro area is roughly the size of Portland, which is certainly capable of supporting a franchise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted February 28, 2009 Portland is fairly bigger, a very strong growth rate at the moment and has a stronger economy- plus little to no regional competition for sports. It's a bit difficult to compare those two, but if OK City can do it, than Sacramento can as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruiserKC 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2009 I know in the past when teams have been in trouble, they end up moving. But I have to wonder have we reached the point where eventually at least one or more teams actually go belly-up and go out of existence? I know quite a few NHL teams are in trouble, including the Phoenix Coyotes. Also, NASCAR's Nationwide Series have had a few races move, not to mention losing a lot of sponsors. Arena Football's done for 2009, and might be done for good. And I know they are fringe sports but when we now look at the NBA having teams in trouble, plus the NFL making some cuts in the front office, we might be seeing this recession really start to hurt the big sports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 28, 2009 But I have to wonder have we reached the point where eventually at least one or more teams actually go belly-up and go out of existence? It's gonna happen. I give it two years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2009 Golf's been hit really hard as well, with purses rising substantially since 1997 when Tiger became a name to everyday people, not just golf fans. Purses rose exponentially that year, as well as after the 2000 season, where Tiger had arguably the best season in the history of golf. I can recall my grandfather saying in 2000 that tournaments were likely to price themselves out of business. The average purse in 2000 was about three million, with roughly 600k to the winner. This year, there's only four tournaments with purses less than five million, and that's coming off a year with Tiger only playing six times, and ratings down significantly. Since 2004, sixteen tournaments (roughly 1/3) have changed sponsors, and three have gone belly up altogether, kind of tying into 909's point above, though all were replaced. With banks, automakers, and financial planning firms primarily as sponsors, that problem's going to get worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2009 Deadspin has this up: http://deadspin.com/5161541/you-and-i-will...ing-the-pistons It's weird to think about how NBA teams need to take out loans to make payroll. Except the economy is bad and people and corporate sponsors may not want to pay to go to games. Hfboards has a large discussion about the Phoenix Coyotes. It looks like the Coyotes can't move unless the declare bankruptcy. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=603217 They have other discussions about the finances of other teams. Teams have give fans more stuff in order to retain season ticket holders. Speaking of the Oakland A's. http://deadspin.com/5160802/does-no-one-want-the-oakland-as And lastly, the three NFL teams left in California want new stadiums. The City of Industry plan seems to be going forward and the people on the Chargers board think the Chargers will end up there because San Diego isn't being cooperative with them. The 49'ers are considering sharing a stadium with the Raiders but they would prefer a separate building. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted February 28, 2009 I get emails from the Devils and Islanders all the time about cheap ticket offers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted February 28, 2009 Speaking of the Oakland A's. http://deadspin.com/5160802/does-no-one-want-the-oakland-as So the next alternatives for the A's would be Sacramento, Las Vegas and, of all places, Portland. YES. Do it. Seems like a lot of the commenters like the idea of them coming to Portland too. Then we can be home to two of the best general managers in their respective sports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Czech please! Report post Posted March 1, 2009 Some of this steroid stuff is making Billy Beane's star fade a little bit, in my opinion. EDIT: If Portland were to get a team, I'd rather it be the Marlins than the good old Oakland A's. It's lookly unlikely that Miami builds their new park, which might be a good thing, since from what I saw, it was ugly. Also, it would take a really terrible sports town off the circuit, and with more western teams maybe we could finally get rid of the Central Division and go to two divisions of eight, which I would prefer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted March 1, 2009 I think it looks likely the Marlins are getting funding, actually. Oakland is in more dire straits than Florida is with getting a new team, it seems. Oakland's always been an incredibly underappreciated team in the Bay Area and would be embraced somewhere else that's starving for a good ballpark- they're also a team I wouldn't mind supporting. The second plus would be that the city of Portland can knock off their retarded plan to renovate an excellent urban ballpark in PGE to a fucking MLS stadium, and instead upgrade it a bit for MLB instead, and throw the MLS stadium if they still want it out to Southeast Portland or whatever. I think the Marlins, while they do play in an awful sports town, do play in one that gives them good money as long as they stay pretty good and that they're more urban instead of on the fringes of the county. Also, two divisions would be pretty cool too, in both leagues. Two division winners and two wildcards. Simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Czech please! Report post Posted March 1, 2009 Yeah, not to turn this into yet another tangential sports thread, but the way to realign would be not four divisions, which runs the risk of a really shitty division champion, but going back to two with a wild card for each, yielding a true divisional series to determine the champion. That would, of course, mean making it best of seven to give the proper gravity to a first round Yankees-Red Sox match, and that's fine because 1) best of seven is probably what the owners want anyway and 2) it takes a teensy little bit of the crapshoot out of October. As for the Marlins' stadium, last I heard they had to postpone the vote again because the commissioner who was the deciding vote didn't show up to break the tie. (Miami politics sound like a real thing.) Sounds like we'll find out the fate of the Marlins on Friday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2009 http://www.kmbc.com/money/18866748/detail.html Neither team is going to leave because they have no where to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2009 Figure this would be a fitting thread: Bizjournals analyzed the performances of all 122 franchises in the NBA, NFL, Major League Baseball and the National Hockey League in the 2008 calendar year. The top scores went to those teams that were strongest at the twin missions of professional sports -- winning games and making money. Note: * Scores are based on bizjournals’ 100-point scale. * Records are wins and losses. A third number is listed for teams in the NFL (ties) and NHL (overtime losses). * Playoff results are provided for all teams that reached the quarterfinals or beyond. (Leagues use different playoff terminologies. Quarterfinals, for example, are called division series in baseball and conference semifinals in football. Standard terms -- quarterfinals, semifinals and finals -- are used for all four sports here.) 1. Boston Celtics (NBA) Score: 90.53 points Rank in sport: 1 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 68-18 record, average margin of 9.06 points per game, won championship series Business performance: 18,624 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 14% in franchise value 2. New York Giants (NFL) Score: 90.52 points Rank in sport: 1 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 12-4-0 record, average margin of 8.31 points per game, won championship game Business performance: 79,069 attendance per home game, 98.5% of capacity, gain of 21% in franchise value 3. Los Angeles Lakers (NBA) Score: 85.22 points Rank in sport: 2 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 63-19 record, average margin of 9.12 points per game, lost championship series Business performance: 18,997 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 4% in franchise value 4. Montreal Canadiens (NHL) Score: 84.38 points Rank in sport: 1 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 49-21-9 record, average margin of 0.63 goals per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 21,273 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 18% in franchise value 5. Boston Red Sox (MLB) Score: 79.71 points Rank in sport: 1 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 95-67 record, average margin of 0.93 runs per game, lost semifinal series Business performance: 37,632 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 13% in franchise value 6. Detroit Pistons (NBA) Score: 79.34 points Rank in sport: 3 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 54-27 record, average margin of 3.75 points per game, lost semifinal series Business performance: 22,076 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 1% in franchise value 7. Detroit Red Wings (NHL) Score: 79.19 points Rank in sport: 2 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 49-20-9 record, average margin of 0.60 goals per game, won championship series Business performance: 19,515 attendance per home game, 97.3% of capacity, gain of 3% in franchise value 8. Chicago Cubs (MLB) Score: 78.59 points Rank in sport: 2 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 97-64 record, average margin of 1.14 runs per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 40,743 attendance per home game, 99.1% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 9. Philadelphia Phillies (MLB) Score: 77.97 points Rank in sport: 3 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 92-70 record, average margin of 0.73 runs per game, won championship series Business performance: 42,254 attendance per home game, 97.1% of capacity, gain of 5% in franchise value 10. Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL) Score: 76.96 points Rank in sport: 3 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 46-25-10 record, average margin of 0.51 goals per game, lost championship series Business performance: 16,985 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 26% in franchise value 11. Utah Jazz (NBA) Score: 76.81 points Rank in sport: 4 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 56-26 record, average margin of 6.48 points per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 19,904 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 5% in franchise value 12. San Jose Sharks (NHL) Score: 76.55 points Rank in sport: 4 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 55-15-10 record, average margin of 0.74 goals per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 17,451 attendance per home game, 99.7% of capacity, gain of 9% in franchise value 13. Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (MLB) Score: 75.84 points Rank in sport: 4 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 100-62 record, average margin of 0.42 runs per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 41,194 attendance per home game, 91.4% of capacity, gain of 16% in franchise value 14. New England Patriots (NFL) Score: 74.94 points Rank in sport: 2 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 11-5-0 record, average margin of 6.31 points per game, lost championship game Business performance: 68,756 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 10% in franchise value 15. Cleveland Cavaliers (NBA) Score: 74.72 points Rank in sport: 5 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 57-25 record, average margin of 5.54 points per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 20,013 attendance per home game, 97.3% of capacity, gain of 5% in franchise value 16. Indianapolis Colts (NFL) Score: 73.17 points Rank in sport: 3 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 12-4-0 record, average margin of 4.94 points per game, lost quarterfinal game Business performance: 66,378 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 18% in franchise value 17. Tennessee Titans (NFL) Score: 71.75 points Rank in sport: 4 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 13-3-0 record, average margin of 8.81 points per game Business performance: 69,143 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 18. Philadelphia Flyers (NHL) Score: 71.56 points Rank in sport: 5 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 43-25-14 record, average margin of 0.21 goals per game, lost semifinal series Business performance: 19,495 attendance per home game, 99.9% of capacity, gain of 13% in franchise value 19. Baltimore Ravens (NFL) Score: 70.97 points Rank in sport: 5 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 11-5-0 record, average margin of 8.81 points per game Business performance: 71,269 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 10% in franchise value 20. New York Mets (MLB) Score: 70.92 points Rank in sport: 5 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 89-73 record, average margin of 0.52 runs per game Business performance: 51,165 attendance per home game, 89.1% of capacity, gain of 12% in franchise value 21. Orlando Magic (NBA) Score: 70.45 points Rank in sport: 6 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 55-26 record, average margin of 6.95 points per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 17,068 attendance per home game, 97.5% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 22. New York Jets (NFL) Score: 70.35 points Rank in sport: 6 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 9-7-0 record, average margin of 3.06 points per game Business performance: 78,482 attendance per home game, 97.8% of capacity, gain of 21% in franchise value 23. New York Yankees (MLB) Score: 70.09 points Rank in sport: 6 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 89-73 record, average margin of 0.38 runs per game Business performance: 53,069 attendance per home game, 92.3% of capacity, gain of 9% in franchise value 24. Chicago Blackhawks (NHL) Score: 70.05 points Rank in sport: 6 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 41-26-12 record, average margin of 0.39 goals per game Business performance: 20,382 attendance per home game, 99.4% of capacity, gain of 14% in franchise value 25. Carolina Panthers (NFL) Score: 69.22 points Rank in sport: 7 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 12-4-0 record, average margin of 5.31 points per game Business performance: 73,211 attendance per home game, 99.2% of capacity, gain of 9% in franchise value 26. Dallas Mavericks (NBA) Score: 69.20 points Rank in sport: 7 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 50-32 record, average margin of 4.39 points per game Business performance: 20,214 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 1% in franchise value 27. Calgary Flames (NHL) Score: 68.95 points Rank in sport: 7 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 45-27-7 record, average margin of 0.10 goals per game Business performance: 19,289 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 24% in franchise value 28. San Antonio Spurs (NBA) Score: 68.84 points Rank in sport: 8 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 55-29 record, average margin of 3.39 points per game, lost semifinal series Business performance: 18,201 attendance per home game, 96.8% of capacity, gain of 3% in franchise value 29. Portland Trail Blazers (NBA) Score: 68.35 points Rank in sport: 9 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 43-40 record, average margin of 0.58 points per game Business performance: 20,365 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 21% in franchise value 30. Milwaukee Brewers (MLB) Score: 67.32 points Rank in sport: 7 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 90-72 record, average margin of 0.38 runs per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 37,882 attendance per home game, 89.3% of capacity, gain of 15% in franchise value 31. New York Rangers (NHL) Score: 65.30 points Rank in sport: 8 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 45-25-12 record, average margin of 0.13 goals per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 18,173 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 12% in franchise value 32. Los Angeles Dodgers (MLB) Score: 65.12 points Rank in sport: 8 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 84-78 record, average margin of 0.32 runs per game, lost semifinal series Business performance: 46,056 attendance per home game, 82.2% of capacity, gain of 10% in franchise value 33. Minnesota Wild (NHL) Score: 64.92 points Rank in sport: 9 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 40-29-10 record, average margin of 0.22 goals per game Business performance: 18,568 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 21% in franchise value 34. Phoenix Suns (NBA) Score: 64.90 points Rank in sport: 10 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 51-30 record, average margin of 3.32 points per game Business performance: 18,422 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 1% in franchise value 35. Houston Rockets (NBA) Score: 64.87 points Rank in sport: 11 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 61-23 record, average margin of 5.73 points per game Business performance: 17,358 attendance per home game, 94.7% of capacity, gain of 1% in franchise value 36. Philadelphia Eagles (NFL) Score: 64.59 points Rank in sport: 8 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 9-6-1 record, average margin of 7.94 points per game Business performance: 69,144 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 6% in franchise value 37. New Orleans Hornets (NBA) Score: 63.49 points Rank in sport: 12 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 55-24 record, average margin of 5.37 points per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 16,041 attendance per home game, 93.3% of capacity, gain of 5% in franchise value 38. New Orleans Saints (NFL) Score: 62.99 points Rank in sport: 9 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 8-8-0 record, average margin of 4.38 points per game Business performance: 71,735 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 10% in franchise value 39. Pittsburgh Steelers (NFL) Score: 61.94 points Rank in sport: 10 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 12-4-0 record, average margin of 7.75 points per game Business performance: 62,891 attendance per home game, 96.7% of capacity, gain of 9% in franchise value 40. San Diego Chargers (NFL) Score: 61.68 points Rank in sport: 11 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 8-8-0 record, average margin of 5.75 points per game, lost semifinal game Business performance: 68,138 attendance per home game, 97.1% of capacity, gain of 7% in franchise value 41. Washington Capitals (NHL) Score: 61.18 points Rank in sport: 10 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 52-23-6 record, average margin of 0.49 goals per game Business performance: 17,407 attendance per home game, 94.3% of capacity, gain of 10% in franchise value 42. Washington Redskins (NFL) Score: 60.68 points Rank in sport: 12 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 8-8-0 record, average margin of minus-1.94 points per game Business performance: 88,604 attendance per home game, 96.6% of capacity, gain of 5% in franchise value 43. Chicago White Sox (MLB) Score: 59.52 points Rank in sport: 9 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 89-74 record, average margin of 0.50 runs per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 30,877 attendance per home game, 76.0% of capacity, gain of 16% in franchise value 44. St. Louis Cardinals (MLB) Score: 59.09 points Rank in sport: 10 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 86-76 record, average margin of 0.33 runs per game Business performance: 42,353 attendance per home game, 90.4% of capacity, gain of 5% in franchise value 45. Chicago Bulls (NBA) Score: 58.87 points Rank in sport: 13 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 36-49 record, average margin of minus-2.72 points per game Business performance: 21,780 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 1% in franchise value 46. Green Bay Packers (NFL) Score: 58.70 points Rank in sport: 13 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 6-10-0 record, average margin of 2.44 points per game, lost semifinal game Business performance: 70,683 attendance per home game, 96.9% of capacity, gain of 10% in franchise value 47. Anaheim Ducks (NHL) Score: 58.61 points Rank in sport: 11 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 47-25-7 record, average margin of 0.32 goals per game Business performance: 16,994 attendance per home game, 98.9% of capacity, gain of 3% in franchise value 48. Buffalo Sabres (NHL) Score: 58.30 points Rank in sport: 12 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 37-30-15 record, average margin of 0.01 goals per game Business performance: 19,814 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 4% in franchise value 49. Golden State Warriors (NBA) Score: 58.22 points Rank in sport: 14 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 39-45 record, average margin of minus-1.19 points per game Business performance: 19,408 attendance per home game, 99.0% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 50. Denver Nuggets (NBA) Score: 58.09 points Rank in sport: 15 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 53-32 record, average margin of 3.62 points per game Business performance: 17,512 attendance per home game, 91.4% of capacity, gain of 3% in franchise value 51. Toronto Raptors (NBA) Score: 57.73 points Rank in sport: 16 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 36-46 record, average margin of 0.73 points per game Business performance: 19,269 attendance per home game, 97.3% of capacity, gain of 7% in franchise value 52. Minnesota Vikings (NFL) Score: 56.61 points Rank in sport: 14 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 10-6-0 record, average margin of 2.88 points per game Business performance: 63,267 attendance per home game, 98.7% of capacity, gain of 7% in franchise value 53. Vancouver Canucks (NHL) Score: 55.94 points Rank in sport: 13 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 37-34-9 record, average margin of minus-0.05 goals per game Business performance: 18,630 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 12% in franchise value 54. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (NFL) Score: 55.93 points Rank in sport: 15 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 9-7-0 record, average margin of 2.38 points per game Business performance: 64,511 attendance per home game, 98.3% of capacity, gain of 9% in franchise value 55. Dallas Stars (NHL) Score: 55.67 points Rank in sport: 14 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 38-32-8 record, average margin of minus-0.04 goals per game, lost semifinal series Business performance: 17,976 attendance per home game, 97.0% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 56. Chicago Bears (NFL) Score: 55.48 points Rank in sport: 16 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 9-7-0 record, average margin of 1.56 points per game Business performance: 62,035 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 57. Detroit Tigers (MLB) Score: 55.43 points Rank in sport: 11 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 74-88 record, average margin of minus-0.22 runs per game Business performance: 39,538 attendance per home game, 98.6% of capacity, gain of 14% in franchise value 58. Denver Broncos (NFL) Score: 55.00 points Rank in sport: 17 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 8-8-0 record, average margin of minus-4.88 points per game Business performance: 75,509 attendance per home game, 99.2% of capacity, gain of 7% in franchise value 59. Houston Texans (NFL) Score: 54.45 points Rank in sport: 18 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 8-8-0 record, average margin of minus-1.75 points per game Business performance: 70,421 attendance per home game, 99.1% of capacity, gain of 7% in franchise value 60. Boston Bruins (NHL) Score: 53.80 points Rank in sport: 15 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 50-18-12 record, average margin of 0.60 goals per game Business performance: 16,057 attendance per home game, 89.4% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 61. Edmonton Oilers (NHL) Score: 52.75 points Rank in sport: 16 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 42-31-5 record, average margin of minus-0.09 goals per game Business performance: 16,839 attendance per home game, 99.4% of capacity, gain of 11% in franchise value 62. Dallas Cowboys (NFL) Score: 52.41 points Rank in sport: 19 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 9-7-0 record, average margin of minus-0.19 points per game, lost quarterfinal game Business performance: 63,368 attendance per home game, 96.6% of capacity, gain of 7% in franchise value 63. Tampa Bay Rays (MLB) Score: 51.58 points Rank in sport: 12 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 97-65 record, average margin of 0.64 runs per game, lost championship series Business performance: 22,259 attendance per home game, 52.8% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 64. Toronto Maple Leafs (NHL) Score: 51.51 points Rank in sport: 17 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 36-35-9 record, average margin of minus-0.44 goals per game Business performance: 19,385 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 9% in franchise value 65. Arizona Cardinals (NFL) Score: 51.02 points Rank in sport: 20 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 9-7-0 record, average margin of 0.06 points per game Business performance: 64,097 attendance per home game, 98.6% of capacity, gain of 3% in franchise value 66. Buffalo Bills (NFL) Score: 50.37 points Rank in sport: 21 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 7-9-0 record, average margin of minus-0.38 points per game Business performance: 68,996 attendance per home game, 96.5% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 67. Atlanta Falcons (NFL) Score: 49.87 points Rank in sport: 22 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 11-5-0 record, average margin of 4.13 points per game Business performance: 64,066 attendance per home game, 89.9% of capacity, gain of 10% in franchise value 68. Ottawa Senators (NHL) Score: 49.46 points Rank in sport: 18 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 31-39-9 record, average margin of minus-0.44 goals per game Business performance: 19,465 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 12% in franchise value 69. Atlanta Hawks (NBA) Score: 48.77 points Rank in sport: 17 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 43-42 record, average margin of minus-0.36 points per game Business performance: 16,841 attendance per home game, 89.9% of capacity, gain of 7% in franchise value 70. Seattle Seahawks (NFL) Score: 48.52 points Rank in sport: 23 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 4-12-0 record, average margin of minus-6.13 points per game, lost quarterfinal game Business performance: 67,996 attendance per home game, 100.0% of capacity, gain of 10% in franchise value 71. Houston Astros (MLB) Score: 48.49 points Rank in sport: 13 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 86-75 record, average margin of minus-0.19 runs per game Business performance: 34,741 attendance per home game, 84.8% of capacity, gain of 5% in franchise value 72. San Francisco 49ers (NFL) Score: 48.05 points Rank in sport: 24 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 7-9-0 record, average margin of minus-2.63 points per game Business performance: 67,513 attendance per home game, 96.8% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 73. Minnesota Twins (MLB) Score: 47.54 points Rank in sport: 14 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 88-75 record, average margin of 0.52 runs per game Business performance: 28,425 attendance per home game, 58.4% of capacity, gain of 14% in franchise value 74. Colorado Avalanche (NHL) Score: 46.42 points Rank in sport: 19 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 42-33-5 record, average margin of 0.06 goals per game, lost quarterfinal series Business performance: 16,602 attendance per home game, 92.2% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 75. Cleveland Browns (NFL) Score: 45.45 points Rank in sport: 25 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 4-12-0 record, average margin of minus-7.38 points per game Business performance: 72,779 attendance per home game, 99.4% of capacity, gain of 7% in franchise value 76. New York Knicks (NBA) Score: 45.41 points Rank in sport: 18 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 27-56 record, average margin of minus-4.99 points per game Business performance: 19,110 attendance per home game, 96.7% of capacity, gain of 1% in franchise value 77. Jacksonville Jaguars (NFL) Score: 45.17 points Rank in sport: 26 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 5-11-0 record, average margin of minus-4.06 points per game, lost quarterfinal game Business performance: 65,167 attendance per home game, 97.0% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 78. Miami Dolphins (NFL) Score: 45.15 points Rank in sport: 27 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 11-5-0 record, average margin of 1.75 points per game Business performance: 65,490 attendance per home game, 86.7% of capacity, gain of 11% in franchise value 79. New Jersey Devils (NHL) Score: 43.62 points Rank in sport: 20 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 46-27-7 record, average margin of 0.29 goals per game Business performance: 15,405 attendance per home game, 87.4% of capacity, gain of 14% in franchise value 80. Arizona Diamondbacks (MLB) Score: 43.03 points Rank in sport: 15 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 82-80 record, average margin of 0.09 runs per game Business performance: 30,986 attendance per home game, 63.2% of capacity, gain of 12% in franchise value 81. Cleveland Indians (MLB) Score: 43.02 points Rank in sport: 16 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 81-81 record, average margin of 0.27 runs per game Business performance: 27,122 attendance per home game, 62.5% of capacity, gain of 14% in franchise value 82. Washington Wizards (NBA) Score: 41.57 points Rank in sport: 19 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 34-49 record, average margin of minus-3.20 points per game Business performance: 17,708 attendance per home game, 87.8% of capacity, gain of 2% in franchise value 83. Toronto Blue Jays (MLB) Score: 41.16 points Rank in sport: 17 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 86-76 record, average margin of 0.64 runs per game Business performance: 29,626 attendance per home game, 58.6% of capacity, gain of 2% in franchise value 84. Colorado Rockies (MLB) Score: 39.51 points Rank in sport: 18 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 74-88 record, average margin of minus-0.46 runs per game Business performance: 33,127 attendance per home game, 65.7% of capacity, gain of 17% in franchise value 85. San Francisco Giants (MLB) Score: 38.92 points Rank in sport: 19 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 72-90 record, average margin of minus-0.73 runs per game Business performance: 35,356 attendance per home game, 85.1% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 86. Miami Heat (NBA) Score: 38.49 points Rank in sport: 20 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 24-57 record, average margin of minus-6.48 points per game Business performance: 18,589 attendance per home game, 94.8% of capacity, loss of 6% in franchise value 87. Kansas City Chiefs (NFL) Score: 36.89 points Rank in sport: 28 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 2-14-0 record, average margin of minus-9.31 points per game Business performance: 74,078 attendance per home game, 96.2% of capacity, gain of 6% in franchise value 88. Cincinnati Bengals (NFL) Score: 36.12 points Rank in sport: 29 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 4-11-1 record, average margin of minus-10.0 points per game Business performance: 64,583 attendance per home game, 98.6% of capacity, gain of 3% in franchise value 89. Carolina Hurricanes (NHL) Score: 34.77 points Rank in sport: 21 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 41-30-8 record, average margin of minus-0.05 goals per game Business performance: 16,070 attendance per home game, 85.9% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 90. Nashville Predators (NHL) Score: 34.73 points Rank in sport: 22 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 40-30-10 record, average margin of minus-0.06 goals per game Business performance: 14,913 attendance per home game, 87.1% of capacity, gain of 14% in franchise value 91. Atlanta Braves (MLB) Score: 33.98 points Rank in sport: 20 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 72-90 record, average margin of minus-0.15 runs per game Business performance: 31,269 attendance per home game, 62.4% of capacity, gain of 9% in franchise value 92. Milwaukee Bucks (NBA) Score: 32.08 points Rank in sport: 21 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 30-55 record, average margin of minus-4.46 points per game Business performance: 15,634 attendance per home game, 83.5% of capacity, gain of 5% in franchise value 93. Philadelphia 76ers (NBA) Score: 31.88 points Rank in sport: 22 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 39-43 record, average margin of 0.15 points per game Business performance: 15,318 attendance per home game, 75.1% of capacity, loss of 5% in franchise value 94. St. Louis Blues (NHL) Score: 31.69 points Rank in sport: 23 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 28-42-12 record, average margin of minus-0.63 goals per game Business performance: 18,175 attendance per home game, 91.1% of capacity, gain of 12% in franchise value 95. Texas Rangers (MLB) Score: 29.13 points Rank in sport: 21 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 79-83 record, average margin of minus-0.41 runs per game Business performance: 24,320 attendance per home game, 49.5% of capacity, gain of 13% in franchise value 96. Los Angeles Kings (NHL) Score: 28.76 points Rank in sport: 24 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 33-35-11 record, average margin of minus-0.23 goals per game Business performance: 16,237 attendance per home game, 88.6% of capacity, no change in franchise value 97. Tampa Bay Lightning (NHL) Score: 28.59 points Rank in sport: 25 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 26-37-16 record, average margin of minus-0.65 goals per game Business performance: 17,697 attendance per home game, 92.1% of capacity, gain of 1% in franchise value 98. Cincinnati Reds (MLB) Score: 27.80 points Rank in sport: 22 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 74-88 record, average margin of minus-0.59 runs per game Business performance: 25,415 attendance per home game, 60.4% of capacity, gain of 10% in franchise value 99. Los Angeles Clippers (NBA) Score: 27.29 points Rank in sport: 23 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 21-63 record, average margin of minus-7.74 points per game Business performance: 16,373 attendance per home game, 86.1% of capacity, gain of 1% in franchise value 100. Oakland Raiders (NFL) Score: 27.28 points Rank in sport: 30 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 5-11-0 record, average margin of minus-7.81 points per game Business performance: 57,850 attendance per home game, 91.6% of capacity, gain of 6% in franchise value 101. New Jersey Nets (NBA) Score: 27.04 points Rank in sport: 24 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 35-49 record, average margin of minus-4.18 points per game Business performance: 15,883 attendance per home game, 79.4% of capacity, loss of 13% in franchise value 102. Florida Panthers (NHL) Score: 26.32 points Rank in sport: 26 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 36-33-11 record, average margin of minus-0.16 goals per game Business performance: 15,897 attendance per home game, 82.6% of capacity, gain of 8% in franchise value 103. Florida Marlins (MLB) Score: 25.04 points Rank in sport: 23 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 84-77 record, average margin of 0.02 runs per game Business performance: 16,688 attendance per home game, 45.9% of capacity, gain of 5% in franchise value 104. Charlotte Bobcats (NBA) Score: 24.90 points Rank in sport: 25 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 32-53 record, average margin of minus-3.31 points per game Business performance: 14,457 attendance per home game, 76.0% of capacity, loss of 1% in franchise value 105. Oakland Athletics (MLB) Score: 24.80 points Rank in sport: 24 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 75-86 record, average margin of minus-0.27 runs per game Business performance: 20,558 attendance per home game, 48.3% of capacity, gain of 11% in franchise value 106. San Diego Padres (MLB) Score: 23.82 points Rank in sport: 25 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 63-99 record, average margin of minus-0.78 runs per game Business performance: 29,969 attendance per home game, 70.5% of capacity, gain of 5% in franchise value 107. Phoenix Coyotes (NHL) Score: 23.47 points Rank in sport: 27 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 38-34-11 record, average margin of minus-0.23 goals per game Business performance: 15,117 attendance per home game, 85.6% of capacity, loss of 3% in franchise value 108. Oklahoma City Thunder-Seattle SuperSonics (NBA) Score: 23.28 points Rank in sport: 26 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 15-69 record, average margin of minus-9.64 points per game Business performance: 15,332 attendance per home game, 85.1% of capacity, gain of 12% in franchise value 109. Sacramento Kings (NBA) Score: 21.57 points Rank in sport: 27 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 35-50 record, average margin of minus-4.48 points per game Business performance: 13,476 attendance per home game, 77.8% of capacity, loss of 9% in franchise value 110. Kansas City Royals (MLB) Score: 19.54 points Rank in sport: 26 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 75-87 record, average margin of minus-0.56 runs per game Business performance: 19,986 attendance per home game, 49.0% of capacity, gain of 7% in franchise value 111. Seattle Mariners (MLB) Score: 18.92 points Rank in sport: 27 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 61-101 record, average margin of minus-0.86 runs per game Business performance: 28,761 attendance per home game, 60.2% of capacity, gain of 7% in franchise value 112. Indiana Pacers (NBA) Score: 16.96 points Rank in sport: 28 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 31-50 record, average margin of minus-2.01 points per game Business performance: 12,838 attendance per home game, 70.3% of capacity, loss of 9% in franchise value 113. Washington Nationals (MLB) Score: 16.63 points Rank in sport: 28 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 59-102 record, average margin of minus-1.14 runs per game Business performance: 29,005 attendance per home game, 69.2% of capacity, gain of 3% in franchise value 114. Columbus Blue Jackets (NHL) Score: 16.55 points Rank in sport: 28 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 33-37-10 record, average margin of minus-0.45 goals per game Business performance: 14,963 attendance per home game, 82.5% of capacity, gain of 4% in franchise value 115. Baltimore Orioles (MLB) Score: 16.52 points Rank in sport: 29 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 68-93 record, average margin of minus-0.54 runs per game Business performance: 25,000 attendance per home game, 51.9% of capacity, gain of 1% in franchise value 116. St. Louis Rams (NFL) Score: 15.37 points Rank in sport: 31 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 2-14-0 record, average margin of minus-14.56 points per game Business performance: 59,980 attendance per home game, 90.9% of capacity, gain of 2% in franchise value 117. Minnesota Timberwolves (NBA) Score: 15.27 points Rank in sport: 29 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 24-59 record, average margin of minus-6.12 points per game Business performance: 14,000 attendance per home game, 72.1% of capacity, loss of 2% in franchise value 118. Pittsburgh Pirates (MLB) Score: 13.75 points Rank in sport: 30 (of 30 MLB teams) On-field performance: 67-95 record, average margin of minus-0.92 runs per game Business performance: 20,113 attendance per home game, 52.4% of capacity, gain of 7% in franchise value 119. Atlanta Thrashers (NHL) Score: 10.65 points Rank in sport: 29 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 27-41-12 record, average margin of minus-0.80 goals per game Business performance: 15,332 attendance per home game, 82.7% of capacity, gain of 6% in franchise value 120. Memphis Grizzlies (NBA) Score: 9.92 points Rank in sport: 30 (of 30 NBA teams) On-court performance: 24-60 record, average margin of minus-6.38 points per game Business performance: 12,674 attendance per home game, 69.3% of capacity, loss of 3% in franchise value 121. New York Islanders (NHL) Score: 2.35 points Rank in sport: 30 (of 30 NHL teams) On-ice performance: 27-44-11 record, average margin of minus-0.94 goals per game Business performance: 13,458 attendance per home game, 82.8% of capacity, gain of 3% in franchise value 122. Detroit Lions (NFL) Score: 1.58 points Rank in sport: 32 (of 32 NFL teams) On-field performance: 0-16-0 record, average margin of minus-15.56 points per game Business performance: 54,497 attendance per home game, 84.5% of capacity, gain of 5% in franchise value Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2009 http://www.kmbc.com/money/18866748/detail.html Neither team is going to leave because they have no where to go. Also there has been a $250 million renovation to Kauffman Stadium going on since last season ended, so now that Bud Selig got what he wanted the Royals are staying put. Really by all accounts the stadium was fine the way it was as I've never read a bad thing about that place. Here's a video of the ongoing construction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Czech please! Report post Posted March 8, 2009 Kauffman Stadium was already beautiful. All they really had to do was spruce up the exterior a little, which looked a bit too utilitarian. It's so nice and pastoral beyond the outfield wall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2009 http://www.indystar.com/article/20090310/S...4/90310061/1088 Indiana Pacers co-owner Herb Simon stressed Tuesday that he wants to keep his team in Indianapolis but was equally adamant that he can no longer afford the operating expenses at Conseco Fieldhouse or the team's year-after-year financial losses. Simon said the Pacers have lost money nine of the past 10 years, including the year the Pacers played in the NBA finals. (Forbes.com offers a different financial picture; see the graphic at left.) Jim Morris, president of Pacers Sports & Entertainment, said the team has lost $200 million total since Simon bought it in 1983. "There comes a point where you have to say, 'Maybe I can't do this anymore,' " Simon, 74, said in an hourlong meeting with executives and reporters at The Indianapolis Star. "Certainly my family, if I'm not here, is not going to be able to do it. The rest of the article is quite interesting. It looks as the though the Pacers are setting themselves up to bail on Indianapolis unless they get a sweetheart deal on a new lease. Kansas City is specifically mentioned as a potential destination. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted March 11, 2009 I thought the NBA had a really good TV deal/revenue sharing. I didn't think the Pacers were losing money. Anyway if they do move, they should to Baltimore, only because it would be ironic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyjaymzretro 0 Report post Posted March 15, 2009 I thought the NBA had a really good TV deal/revenue sharing. I didn't think the Pacers were losing money. Anyway if they do move, they should to Baltimore, only because it would be ironic. I think Baltimore would be a great place for an NBA franchise. Most people I know love basketball but hate the Wizards, and if our indoor soccer team can be successful, we can surely support an NBA team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightwing 0 Report post Posted March 15, 2009 The Piston's "100% Attendance" is easily the biggest joke on that list... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites