USA POW Beheaded

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Instead of the media constantly showing US troops in a bad light and focussing on the torture, they can now run with this story thus shunting the torture away from the public and making us focus on what happened to Berg...

Now who would want to ban him when he provides such golden material as this?...

[Vyce 0]

I smell a conspiracy here...could Berg have been "handed over" to this group, knowing full well he'd be killed...in order to distract the media and American public from the torture/abuse scandal?

 

Congratulations - you've just written the most retarded thing I've ever read on this board.

[Guest MikeSC]

I smell a conspiracy here...could Berg have been "handed over" to this group, knowing full well he'd be killed...in order to distract the media and American public from the torture/abuse scandal?

 

Congratulations - you've just written the most retarded thing I've ever read on this board.

Hmm, it might be time for a face-off between hunger --- AND THE BEST OF KAMUI'S STUFF!

 

Who's up for it?

-=Mike

[sfaJack 0]

Hmm, it might be time for a face-off between hunger --- AND THE BEST OF KAMUI'S STUFF!

 

Who's up for it?

-=Mike

*raises hand*

 

I need something to entertain me for the rest of the day at work.

[Guest MikeSC]

Hmm, it might be time for a face-off between hunger --- AND THE BEST OF KAMUI'S STUFF!

 

Who's up for it?

           -=Mike

*raises hand*

 

I need something to entertain me for the rest of the day at work.

I'll try --- but you can't search by the name "kamui". Does anybody know whatever name he switched to?

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

BTW, EXCELLENT op-ed from the NY Post:

 

What cruel, sick bastards.

Indeed, you can't get much more barbaric than the filmed beheading of 26-year-old Nick Berg that splashed across a terrorist group's Web site yesterday.

 

In case the world needed a reminder of why America is waging its War on Terror, it got one yesterday.

 

It's hard to imagine the terror that must have filled Berg in those final moments as he realized his hooded captors really were going to kill him.

 

It wasn't enough that they slaughtered the young Philadelphia businessman like a sheep and held his severed head aloft as if it were a trophy. No, they filmed the whole thing for the world to see.

 

Soldiers don't behave like that.

 

Only cowards and thugs do.

 

Now it's time to ratchet up the response to this war.

 

Forget Abu Ghraib.

 

The abuse committed there by a handful of soldiers was not typical; nor is it acceptable.

 

But the beheading of Nick Berg is par for the course for al Qaeda.

 

Of course, the terrorists of Muntada al-Ansar, an al Qaeda offshoot, claimed they were acting in retaliation for the Abu Ghraib abuses.

 

Bull.

 

There were no known abuses at Abu Ghraib when Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl and Italian hostage Fabrizio Quattrocchi were murdered by Islamic terrorists.

 

And the events at Abu Ghraib had not yet come to light when frenzied crowds in Fallujah burned and mutilated the bodies of four Americans and strung them from a bridge.

 

No, the massacre of Nick Berg had nothing to do with Abu Ghraib.

 

Instead, this slaying was about the war against the West in general - and America, in particular. Indeed, the beheading may have been carried out personally by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a top aide of Osama bin Laden.

 

Some people - some Americans - have forgotten about 9/11.

 

That attack should have been enough to justify all-out war. But the hand-wringing over the war in Iraq - and over even the modest steps America took to defend itself, like the Patriot Act - suggests that folks truly have lost sight of what the war is about.

 

Yesterday they got a shocking reminder. And now they know: This war cannot be waged with half-measures.

 

It can end only with the total annihilation of those who practice butchery and barbarism. Those who have set as their goal the destruction of America.

 

There is no negotiating with such people. There can be no compromise with those who mean to destroy us.

 

Yesterday, the White House promised to "pursue those responsible and bring them to justice." That's the least of it.

 

America has to come out swinging.

 

And not stop until every last one of the savage thugs is dead.

 

If that means a resumption of major combat in Iraq, so be it.

 

Would it mean another division or so of combat troops to get the job done?

 

Turn to our garrisons in Europe, or Korea, to get them.

 

In sufficient numbers to get the job done.

 

To hell with political sensitivities in the region.

 

To hell with negotiating with radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in Najaf and the Sunni insurgents in Fallujah.

 

To hell with handing Saddam Hussein over to Iraqis, as some want to do, and risking some reverse - perverse - kangaroo trial that results in his survival.

 

Evil, cutthroat terrorists need to be eradicated.

 

Let's face it: This is a job that's going to take overwhelming - yes, brutal - force. There is simply no "nice" or painless way to accomplish this.

 

As yesterday's slaughter showed (yet again), the enemy is bound by no moral compunctions.

 

America won't go that far.

 

But it had better steel it's backbone and get ready to fight like it means it.

 

It's the only way to win this war.

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/20645.htm

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. Heck, I doubt Marney could have said it much better.

-=Mike

[JoeDirt 0]

Do the people who did this realize that this murder does nothing more than spur the war on even more? That it does absolutely nothing for their cause? Are they absolute idiots, or do they not even care about the "cause"? Is it all just an excuse to murder a Jewish American?

 

I still haven't watched the video...I can't bring myself to do so. I saw the Daniel Pearl video, and this one sounds worse.

[Guest MikeSC]

Do the people who did this realize that this murder does nothing more than spur the war on even more? That it does absolutely nothing for their cause? Are they absolute idiots, or do they not even care about the "cause"? Is it all just an excuse to murder a Jewish American?

 

I still haven't watched the video...I can't bring myself to do so. I saw the Daniel Pearl video, and this one sounds worse.

I didn't see Pearl's --- but if this isn't worse, I'll be shocked.

 

And ironic that they call us cowards --- while they commit this atrocity while wearing masks and outnumbering the guy.

-=Mike

[JoeDirt 0]

Here's what I don't understand...and forgive me if I don't know enough about this situation.

 

This was a horrific act by a few barbaric criminals. How can we "win the war" by upping our military force in Iraq? This isn't an enemy we can fight with soldiers and tanks, is it? Isn't this a whole other battle we are waging?

 

Yes, as the NY Post says, we need to "come out swinging" - but how exactly do we do that? (And as angry as I am, "nuke the whole region" isn't a reasonable solution, sorry)

[Guest SideFXs]

And another thing, I don't know what media your following sfx, but I could not escape these images and the outrage that followed.  Every single news program I watched last night and this morning was covering this with great sadness and outrage.  Why pretend that it's the media's fault?

I blame Al-Qaida. They are so poisoned with their own hate of the West. What we saw, with Nick Berg, was just a symbol to them as the beheading of the United States, with a dull knife.

 

This constant ringing of their hands, in the media, over the Abu Ghraib abuses by the media just sickens me. It undermines our effort to kill these thugs. The military was investigating the abuses way before this went public.

 

We are going to loose this war against terror, if the liberal media and politicians don’t stop politicizing the military deaths, in Iraq. The media constantly harps that we were underequipt, or under-trained, or the military killed so many Iraqi civilians today, or Rumfeld failed to plan after we took Baghdad, or the media equates Bush’s believe in God to religious fanaticism. CBS ’60 minutes II’ is going to report tonight that the abuses at Abu Ghraib are a direct result of the lack of military leadership. The liberal media reported that Berg’s murder was a direct result to the prison abuses.

 

I am sick of the liberals blaming America every time we get hit by Al-Qaida. I am offended at the concern about human rights of these murderers and terrorist, in prison. They have no rights and they will just as soon cut your head off too , if they had the chance. We finally have a President that is trying to do something about terrorism in the Middle East, before it comes back to the U.S. But, every move he makes a move gets undermined , or seconded guessed by Kerry, or Teddy, or CBS , or CNN, or some Hollywood idiot!!, because they want Bush voted out.

[JoeDirt 0]

I am sick of the liberals blaming America every time we get hit by Al-Qaida. I am offended at the concern about human rights of these murderers and terrorist, in prison. They have no rights and they will just as soon cut your head off too , if they had the chance. We finally have a President that is trying to do something about terrorism in the Middle East, before it comes back to the U.S. But, every move he makes a move gets undermined , or seconded guessed by Kerry, or Teddy, or CBS , or CNN, or some Hollywood idiot!!, because they want Bush voted out.

I don't have a problem with the media calling the torture of our prisoners wrong...sure, they may have blood on their hands, but we as Americans should be above that low, inhumane treatment, right? To simply turn your head and ignore it would be just as big an offense as the liberals using the scandal as a means to get Kerry elected, which also offends me.

[cbacon 0]

BTW, EXCELLENT op-ed from the NY Post:

 

What cruel, sick bastards.

Indeed, you can't get much more barbaric than the filmed beheading of 26-year-old Nick Berg that splashed across a terrorist group's Web site yesterday.

 

In case the world needed a reminder of why America is waging its War on Terror, it got one yesterday.

 

It's hard to imagine the terror that must have filled Berg in those final moments as he realized his hooded captors really were going to kill him.

 

It wasn't enough that they slaughtered the young Philadelphia businessman like a sheep and held his severed head aloft as if it were a trophy. No, they filmed the whole thing for the world to see.

 

Soldiers don't behave like that.

 

Only cowards and thugs do.

 

Now it's time to ratchet up the response to this war.

 

Forget Abu Ghraib.

 

The abuse committed there by a handful of soldiers was not typical; nor is it acceptable.

 

But the beheading of Nick Berg is par for the course for al Qaeda.

 

Of course, the terrorists of Muntada al-Ansar, an al Qaeda offshoot, claimed they were acting in retaliation for the Abu Ghraib abuses.

 

Bull.

 

There were no known abuses at Abu Ghraib when Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl and Italian hostage Fabrizio Quattrocchi were murdered by Islamic terrorists.

 

And the events at Abu Ghraib had not yet come to light when frenzied crowds in Fallujah burned and mutilated the bodies of four Americans and strung them from a bridge.

 

No, the massacre of Nick Berg had nothing to do with Abu Ghraib.

 

Instead, this slaying was about the war against the West in general - and America, in particular. Indeed, the beheading may have been carried out personally by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a top aide of Osama bin Laden.

 

Some people - some Americans - have forgotten about 9/11.

 

That attack should have been enough to justify all-out war. But the hand-wringing over the war in Iraq - and over even the modest steps America took to defend itself, like the Patriot Act - suggests that folks truly have lost sight of what the war is about.

 

Yesterday they got a shocking reminder. And now they know: This war cannot be waged with half-measures.

 

It can end only with the total annihilation of those who practice butchery and barbarism. Those who have set as their goal the destruction of America.

 

There is no negotiating with such people. There can be no compromise with those who mean to destroy us.

 

Yesterday, the White House promised to "pursue those responsible and bring them to justice." That's the least of it.

 

America has to come out swinging.

 

And not stop until every last one of the savage thugs is dead.

 

If that means a resumption of major combat in Iraq, so be it.

 

Would it mean another division or so of combat troops to get the job done?

 

Turn to our garrisons in Europe, or Korea, to get them.

 

In sufficient numbers to get the job done.

 

To hell with political sensitivities in the region.

 

To hell with negotiating with radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in Najaf and the Sunni insurgents in Fallujah.

 

To hell with handing Saddam Hussein over to Iraqis, as some want to do, and risking some reverse - perverse - kangaroo trial that results in his survival.

 

Evil, cutthroat terrorists need to be eradicated.

 

Let's face it: This is a job that's going to take overwhelming - yes, brutal - force. There is simply no "nice" or painless way to accomplish this.

 

As yesterday's slaughter showed (yet again), the enemy is bound by no moral compunctions.

 

America won't go that far.

 

But it had better steel it's backbone and get ready to fight like it means it.

 

It's the only way to win this war.

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/20645.htm

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. Heck, I doubt Marney could have said it much better.

-=Mike

This is one clearly misguided individual. I guess he equate Bergs unfortunate death as the same as the 10,000 dead Iraqi's at the hands of the coalation. shame.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

The liberal media have the right to say what they want wether or not you or I agree with them. If you don't like it don't watch it.

 

I don't watch Al Jazeera...

[JoeDirt 0]

What Nick Berg's Murder Tells

 

By Andrew Sullivan

AndrewSullivan.com | May 12, 2004

 

Below are excerpts from Andrew Sullivan.com on the Berg beheading -

Editors

 

Wednesday, May 12, 2004

 

HOW DUMB IS AL QAEDA? This is the really striking thing about the

Zarqawi execution of Nick Berg. Al Qaeda never learns. Listening to

the hooded coward shriek on that video and reading what he says can

only remind us that these people are a) vile, b) as alien to true

Islam as the KKK was to the Gospels, c) pathetic and d) dumb. They

think they terrify us by this? The gang-murder of an unarmed, innocent

civilian? And they think that it will add to the shame of Abu Ghraib,

demoralize Americans still further, and prompt a withdrawal? In fact,

of course, the Berg beheading does a grim but salutary service. In the

midst of our own deserved self-criticism, we are suddenly reminded of

the larger stakes, the wider war, why we are in Iraq in the first

place.

 

We do not in any way excuse Abu Ghraib, while seeing that any sort of

moral equivalence between our flawed democracy and Islamism's

pathological hatred is obscene. In a purely strategic sense,

stiffening American resolve and inflaming American outrage at this

juncture is exactly what a smart al Qaeda would avoid. But there is no

such thing as a smart al Qaeda. evil can somtimes be stupid, and often

is. Hitler, we recall, invaded the Soviet Union. For our part, we must

not take the deeper bait, which is to associate these fanatics with

Arabs or Islam as a whole. This is not a war against Islam. It is a

war to save Islam. And a democratic Iraq - not run by mullahs - is

indispensable to that end.

 

 

Tuesday, May 11, 2004

 

AN INSANE SPIN: How are the media this stupid? AOL headlines: "Abuse

Scandal's Deadly Fallout" referring to the hideous beheading of Nick

Berg. Or this idiocy: "American Beheaded for Abuse." Do these people

have no memories? This is al Qaeda. They beheaded Daniel Pearl long

before the war in Iraq. They murdered thousands in New York City long

before Saddam was removed from power. And they are as stupid as they

are evil. Iraqis now have contrasting images. Do they want to be run

by people who cut innocent people's throats at will or by people who

have removed a dictator and are investigating unethical abuse of

prison inmates? Zarqawi has now done something for our morale as well

as his. He has reminded us of the real enemy; and he has reminded the

Iraqis. One simple question: will CNN now show these video stills? I

know it must be torment for the family. But if we are in a propaganda

war, as we are, we need to be as ruthless in publicizing the murders

committed by our enemy as we are in exposing the abuses committed by

our own.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

for our part, we must

not take the deeper bait, which is to associate these fanatics with

Arabs or Islam as a whole. This is not a war against Islam. It is a

war to save Islam. And a democratic Iraq - not run by mullahs - is

indispensable to that end.

 

Bingo.

[JoeDirt 0]

Forgive my ignorance, but why do these people hate Jews? Why does Osama Bin Laden have the belief that "the Jews are taking over America"?

[Guest MikeSC]

Forgive my ignorance, but why do these people hate Jews? Why does Osama Bin Laden have the belief that "the Jews are taking over America"?

I will never fully grasp it --- but A LOT of groups, whenever they are suffering, blame Jews for it. Whether it be economically or, in the case of Islam, socially --- they feel the Jew is to blame for the problems.

 

It really does not make sense to me.

-=Mike

[Styles 0]

Forgive my ignorance, but why do these people hate Jews? Why does Osama Bin Laden have the belief that "the Jews are taking over America"?

Sadly, anti-semetism is age old and deeply routed throughout time. There is no rational explanation besides hate. Jews have been made the scapegoats of the world's problems because rarely anyone will stick up for them. The best source for you to go to is The Anti-Defamation League's website: http://www.adl.org/

There is tons of information and documentation about anti-semetism in today's world that should give some perspective on the situtation.

[cbacon 0]

What Nick Berg's Murder Tells

 

By Andrew Sullivan

AndrewSullivan.com | May 12, 2004

High quality journalism there. Could he sound more juvenile?

[Swift Terror 0]

SideFXs' point about the media: they have saturated the airways and newspapers with the photos of Abu Garib (in their glee over the whole thing, the Boston Globe published FAKE photos of U.S. servicemen raping an Iraqi woman, hoping to further disgrace the U.S. cause, i.e. Bush's cause); they have not done so with Mr Berg's slaughter. The networks, as well as all the cable outlets, have said they will not show it.

 

Also, they continue to shape headlines that tiptoe around what happened. Such as "Civilian contractor dies in Iraq".

 

What, he had a heart attack?

 

 

And we constantly hear the following: "We certainly condemn the killing, but we must understand there was a reason behind it, and the U.S. must recognize its criminal actions in the Middle East".

 

The Old York Times used this slaughter as an excuse to once again bring up the prison abuse scandal--the scandal was the main focus of their piece on the slaughter.

 

Praise be to Allah!, the good Muslims following the example of Muhammed and his blessed Sons, have shown the Americans what awaits them all. Your blood will flow from the tips of our swords.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I think DrTom's method would be effective, except after killing 70% of the Iraqi population we would run out of napalm.

 

DrTom for President~

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I think DrTom's method would be effective, except after killing 70% of the Iraqi population we would run out of napalm.

Thank you for reminding me why I didn't take a job in the States.

[JoeDirt 0]

For those of you who saw the video...did it look like he suffered? I know his father said he hoped the beheading was quick and painless...but I just can't imagine that was the case.

 

It's really interesting watching the news coverage of this whole incident today. You really start to see which news stations have which political agendas...is any news network known for being the most politically unbiased?

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I think DrTom's method would be effective, except after killing 70% of the Iraqi population we would run out of napalm.

Thank you for reminding me why I didn't take a job in the States.

Either you missed the sarcasm of my post or you fear napalm

[Guest duck420]

Every time a soldier from U.S. dies it makes me laugh. Thats what they get for not letting me in the marines just because im insane. LET REAL KILLERS DO THE FUCKING KILLING NOT THESE PANSY ASS KIDS WHO JOINED UP TO GET COLLEGE MONEY.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

well you're banned..

[JoeDirt 0]

well you're banned..

Thank you.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

If you ban him I demand that you place the sad face avatar on the account and place it in the bannings section. Stop deleting accounts and go with the funny way of dealing with them.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I have no sense of humor.

[Ripper 0]

Funny, because that just made me laugh.