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The toilet seat hit him the head when he went to get a drink. Poor guy.

You like to argue that Benoit v. Angle had some sort of signifigance. What signifigance did it have in the long run? Did Benoit get a push from it? No That's not what I'm saying. A big factor of having a MOTY is the match quality itself, but you should also factor in it's surroundings and signifigance of it. For the TNA cage match? Anybody. More people saw it. I'm not saying it doesn't lower the wrestling quality of both matches, but it's a lot easier to get a crowd of 300 people who are there to watch wrestling and mostly smartmarks as opposed to 15,000 general wrestling fans, all mixed. You like to argue that Benoit v. Angle had some sort of signifigance. What signifigance did it have in the long run? Did Benoit get a push from it? No The signficance was it was 3 years in the making...and it built up to Benoit getting the standing ovation? Using your thinking, it's okay to bring a match down because the bookers are fucking stupid and didn't push a guy after it but it's not okay to say crowd/overness of a match in general has anything to do with something being MOTY? I don't get it. I know for a fact NO ONE would be saying I had a ****3/4 match of the year in a backyard fed (not saying I do), even if it really was. And once again, this goes back to saying we should just do MOTY by seperate organizations...it's not fair to choice one because there is too many factors involved and it's not fair to either parties.

Raw is a good game to fuck around in with a couple friends of...not one to take serious. And I don't see Raw 2 being much different. And thinking about it even more, it's even more dissapointing considering the fact they've delayed this game for over 6 months just for it to suck more?

Okay, here's the thing about Raw. It ONLY has RVD vs. Jericho...and that match is stale as hell. Booker isn't around, HHH is sucking, Goldberg sucks, Nash, HBK, and Flair are doing the same old thing, Orton is getting shoved down our throats and he's too green to begin with... Smackdown still has the better workers. Lately, I'd rather watch any Undertaker match then one on Raw. At least Taker is giving a shit these days.

I can't help but point and laugh. Now, if J-Lo needs someone to console her... *raises hand*

I like Austin/HBK from Mania. People shit on it because Michaels wasn't at 100%, but I still thought it was a very solid Mania event with JR doing his typical overblown commentary that did help the match feel more special. It's ****, solid.

The topic should be renamed to what is the WWE match of the year...or TNA match of the year...or Indy match of the year...or Puro match of the year. It's not fair to just pick one. So I'll go: WWE: Benoit/Angle TNA: AMW/XXX

I've said this, but it looks just like an updated Raw 2. I don't get what's so fucking hard for XBox to make the game like No Mercy. It's not that hard.

So you are saying a ***** match doesn't factor in how significant it is and how many people see it? So what if my sister and I had yelling arguments for 2 months, then I beat the shit out of my sister for 20 minutes in front of 300 people at my school and constantly beat on her arm...does that make it a ****1/4? Or if I wrestled my friend in a backyard fed match that was ****3/4 in front of 10 people? And your statement about how only WWE can have MOTY is bullshit...NWA-TNA is now global, they are on PPV. And I'd say the cage match with AMW/XXX has more of chance of being match of the year then any ROH or Japan match mainly because more people saw it. You even admitted it...more people voted for Benoit/Angle being MOTY because more people saw it/cared for it then some ROH match. It's not just like that on the internet...it's on like that everywhere so until ROH gets a cable/TV deal and starts to become known other then the Northeast and shows with 300 people...let me know. Am I dissing on their wrestling quality? Absoultely not. But that doesn't mean it's MOTY, in my opinion...and about 65% of the people agree.

London on Raw? Good, Dreamer needed some more people to squash on Heat.

That's why I don't bother getting PPVs anymore and paying full price...I'll pay 5 bucks and get them at my friend's house and chill with all of them...and then I'll buy it if it's good or not if it sucks. Pay 35 bucks, then another 20 is just stupid.

Am I the only one who thinks it's fine that only NINE posts are in this topic?

I think it's pretty funny that Savage bashes Hogan every chance he gets, and he assumes that Hogan will do business with him at Mania 20 and it probably won't even do much to help the buyrate? And god forbid how much both of them will want to show up at it.

And I think I have to say I know this is 100% true more than anyone else because I was there (even though I think everyone knows that by now).

Here's my argument...it's a lot easier to get the attention of 500, "smart mark" fans who go to ROH to watch wrestling as opposed to 15,000, common/mixed "smart mark"/mark fans who are there to see everything. I'm sure I could get 500 people's attention for 45 minutes if I did the right things. That's probably one of the only things holding back on a match like Styles/London being a MOTY because you have to factor in the signficance of it and because ROH isn't a global promotion yet, then I really can't say they have match of the years. Sure, great matches and solid wrestling...but "the common folk" could give a shit about them. I think I really don't have to defend myself anymore...just look at the poll.

Eh, I dunno. That ended up being a throw away PPV that no one cared about, while Fight meant something in the long run. Both are good, but I liked the Fight one better.

Kanyon not being pushed his beyond me. He's got the heel heat, he's got a great moveset with literally modified moves every match, good chrisma, decent look...and he's stuck on Velocity. I don't get it.

Savage just needs to shut the fuck up, and realize his time past a LONG time ago. Even Hogan knows his bullshit.

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Even though you took my idea of the text and a picture sig, Bravesfan, I must compliment you on how awesome that is with Jericho from the Mania 19 buildup package. Very nice.

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Can you post their heel theme they used last? I think it's their 2nd. Thanks.

Wasn't that Raven thing during the time Kanyon was doing that? I seem to remember Kanyon doing that.

Certain a shock when I heard it this morning. I remember watching him on Conan with Dana Carvey & Ted Nugget a few months ago talking about his testicle that came out of his boxers for a brief still on Three's Company and some guy suing. Rest in peace...